Medicine course thread

bythewoods

If you're on like... 49.66% they do I think (Happened with a friend last year, anything above .5%.)

Not sure if they do otherwise. The only place it matters is if you're bordering on passing/failing or 2.1/1.1 whatevz.

bythewoods

Emmm... Any tips for OSCEs anyone?

I have no idea how to feel about them. How much detail is actually required?

dabh

theowen wrote: »

Yo, do they round up in college? Got xx.66%...

Short answer. Depends on the course...

mardybumbum

Could anyone who sat the Ophthalmology exam tell me what the SAQ's are like?

theowen

Hellooo guys. Can anyone give me a run through of what second year's like? What subjects are handy, which are difficult etc. What books should definetely be bought...which lectures are useless. Probs gonna go for Schols so may have a read through some stuff. Probs won't though. Cheers!

mardybumbum

theowen wrote: »

Hellooo guys. Can anyone give me a run through of what second year's like? What subjects are handy, which are difficult etc. What books should definetely be bought...which lectures are useless. Probs gonna go for Schols so may have a read through some stuff. Probs won't though. Cheers!

My memory is that bad that I'm sure there are some subjects I'm going to miss out on here.

Think we started off the year with head and neck anatomy and pharm.
Again, PT's notes and whatever atlas/reference text you use will do the job as was the case for 1st year.
For pharm, I'd recommend Lippincotts. I never even thought about using it in second year. It was about half the size of rang and dale and I assumed it was useless. I started using it this year for USMLE/course work and its fcukin amazing. Paul spiers notes were pretty decent as far as I remember so use it in conjunction with them.

Eh, I think we did neuroscience after that. For the neuroanatomy section I used Crossman and Neary, and for the reast of them I just took notes during the lectures. There will be neurobiochem texts and neurophysiology texts recommended to you but they are a waste of time.

We did some microbiology as well throughout the year. You learn micro "bug by bug" in 2nd year and then by systems in 3rd year. I'd recommend "clinical microbiology made ridiculously simple". Dont let the cartoons and front cover put you off it, it's an excellent text.
Some lecturers may recommend Murrays which is a waste of space.

We also did some general pathology towards the end of the year. I just used the slides from lectures and Robbins pathological basis of disease.

The path/micro exam at the end of the year is a joke and if you get your hands on some of the previous papers you're laughing.

As for schols, I never sat them myself so I dont know a lot, but I believe they just give you a topic to read around. When I was in 2nd year it was heart attacks and I think it was old people this year.

Hope that helps.

A Neurotic

Was gonna post a similar question about 3rd year. What rotations do we do? And do we do rotations, then lectures, then rotations, etc, or are they simultaneous?

What's the general story? Is it a big leap from the first two years, time- and difficulty-wise?

starry nights

mardybumbum wrote: »

My memory is that bad that I'm sure there are some subjects I'm going to miss out on here.

Think we started off the year with head and neck anatomy and pharm.
Again, PT's notes and whatever atlas/reference text you use will do the job as was the case for 1st year.
For pharm, I'd recommend Lippincotts. I never even thought about using it in second year. It was about half the size of rang and dale and I assumed it was useless. I started using it this year for USMLE/course work and its fcukin amazing. Paul spiers notes were pretty decent as far as I remember so use it in conjunction with them.

Eh, I think we did neuroscience after that. For the neuroanatomy section I used Crossman and Neary, and for the reast of them I just took notes during the lectures. There will be neurobiochem texts and neurophysiology texts recommended to you but they are a waste of time.

We did some microbiology as well throughout the year. You learn micro "bug by bug" in 2nd year and then by systems in 3rd year. I'd recommend "clinical microbiology made ridiculously simple". Dont let the cartoons and front cover put you off it, it's an excellent text.
Some lecturers may recommend Murrays which is a waste of space.

We also did some general pathology towards the end of the year. I just used the slides from lectures and Robbins pathological basis of disease.

The path/micro exam at the end of the year is a joke and if you get your hands on some of the previous papers you're laughing.

As for schols, I never sat them myself so I dont know a lot, but I believe they just give you a topic to read around. When I was in 2nd year it was heart attacks and I think it was old people this year.

Hope that helps.

Do we do physiology in second year? or is that only first year?

A Neurotic

Neurophysiology is 20% of the Neuroscience module, doesn't come up anywhere else.

mardybumbum

A Neurotic wrote: »

Was gonna post a similar question about 3rd year. What rotations do we do? And do we do rotations, then lectures, then rotations, etc, or are they simultaneous?

What's the general story? Is it a big leap from the first two years, time- and difficulty-wise?

You will get a surgery and medical rotation in tallaght, a surgery and medical rotation in SJH, a rotation in an affiliate (Harolds X, Naas, Peamount, NRH), and a rotation in the eye and ear hospital. Thats six rotations in total, and each rotation lasts a month.

You basically do a month of rotation, then a month of lectures, and then another rotation, and so on and so forth.

I found it a huge leap from 1st and 2nd year difficulty wise, although that may be because I decided to buckle down this year. Its a hell of a lot more interesting as well.
Things start to come together on rotations and you begin to realise why the auld anatomy and physiology are important. Personally, I preferred the surgery rotations. Nothing better than a nice nissen's to start your morning off. You might even get to suture the lap ports up depending on who you are with.
I got gastro and haem for my medical rotations which were a great help when it came to the pathology exams.
Not everybody gets the same rotations and I was lucky in that all of mine were really interesting. Some people do get stuck on dermatology or urology for a month (ugh).
You do find that there will be times, no matter what rotation you are on, that you will have an hour or two off. Its probably a good idea to have one of those little handbooks to carry around in your coat pocket for such occasions.
And you do get lectures every thursday while on rotation.

theowen

mardybumbum wrote: »

You will get a surgery and medical rotation in tallaght, a surgery and medical rotation in SJH, a rotation in an affiliate (Harolds X, Naas, Peamount, NRH), and a rotation in the eye and ear hospital. Thats six rotations in total, and each rotation lasts a month.

You basically do a month of rotation, then a month of lectures, and then another rotation, and so on and so forth.

I found it a huge leap from 1st and 2nd year difficulty wise, although that may be because I decided to buckle down this year. Its a hell of a lot more interesting as well.
Things start to come together on rotations and you begin to realise why the auld anatomy and physiology are important. Personally, I preferred the surgery rotations. Nothing better than a nice nissen's to start your morning off. You might even get to suture the lap ports up depending on who you are with.
I got gastro and haem for my medical rotations which were a great help when it came to the pathology exams.
Not everybody gets the same rotations and I was lucky in that all of mine were really interesting. Some people do get stuck on dermatology or urology for a month (ugh).
You do find that there will be times, no matter what rotation you are on, that you will have an hour or two off. Its probably a good idea to have one of those little handbooks to carry around in your coat pocket for such occasions.
And you do get lectures every thursday while on rotation.

Thanks for the above above, very interesting and useful I would think. Curious about the above, what happens if you're shipped off to Kilkenny or something for a rotation (dono if that's possible even but whatever). Do they expect you to commute or what's the craic?

Kwekubo

Naas is the only affiliated hospital that is actually outside Dublin, for that you can stay in the doctors' res. The others are commutable.

mardybumbum

Kwekubo, I might take this opportunity to ask a few questions about 4th year if I may be so brash.

As far as I understand, the main chunk of the year is concerned with Obs & Gynae, Paeds, GP medicine and Psych.

What texts/resources would you recommend for them? I picked up a copy of the Oxford handbook of Clinical Specialities which has sections on all the four specialities mentioned above. I'm sure it will a useful resource when I'm on rotation and all, but I assume it isn't enough to do well in the exams.

Icemancometh

mardybumbum wrote: »

Kwekubo, I might take this opportunity to ask a few questions about 4th year if I may be so brash.

As far as I understand, the main chunk of the year is concerned with Obs & Gynae, Paeds, GP medicine and Psych.

What texts/resources would you recommend for them? I picked up a copy of the Oxford handbook of Clinical Specialities which has sections on all the four specialities mentioned above. I'm sure it will a useful resource when I'm on rotation and all, but I assume it isn't enough to do well in the exams.

Obs & Gynae - Impey
Paeds - Sunflower book (can't remember the name)
GP - You don't really need a book. Whatever they tell you for epidemiology, get that. Otherwise, stick with the lecture notes.
Pysch - Honestly can't remember.
The handbook will be good to have in your white coat, but like you said, it won't be enough.

mardybumbum

Icemancometh wrote: »

Obs & Gynae - Impey
Paeds - Sunflower book (can't remember the name)
GP - You don't really need a book. Whatever they tell you for epidemiology, get that. Otherwise, stick with the lecture notes.
Pysch - Honestly can't remember.
The handbook will be good to have in your white coat, but like you said, it won't be enough.

Thanks.
Think the paeds book must be Lissauer and Clayden.

Bazmedic

mardybumbum wrote: »

Thanks.
Think the paeds book must be Lissauer and Clayden.

The sunflower book is indeed "Illustrated textbook of paediatrics" by Lissauer and Clayden.
I found "Psychiatry at a glance" a great little book when combined with the psych lecture notes.

Kwekubo

For obs/gynae I got a second hand copy of Impey, but lots of people used Drife, that book has a chapter by Prof Murphy in it. Impey is much more concise, I would go with that and then supplement it with library books if you want more.

starry nights

Whats the workload like in second year? Is it more or less than first year?
Are the days any longer or shorter?

starry nights

Could anyone tell me what has come up in the past supplemental papers for human form and fuction? I'm freaking out a little cos i've to sit both papers again in august...

bythewoods

HFF1 last year was easier than the original paper IIRC. Trying to think what came up- there were defo 2 nerves, possibly also Deltoid?

Email someone in anatomy and they'll probs send them onto you!

caroline1111

Could anyone tell me about the family case study in first year? Is it done in groups, how are you examined on it, etc.

bythewoods

caroline1111 wrote: »

Could anyone tell me about the family case study in first year? Is it done in groups, how are you examined on it, etc.

It's done in pairs. You do 3 family visits and then fill out a big booklet-y thing about it and it counts towards your grade in Human Development & Behavioural Science.

AndrewJD

bythewoods wrote: »

It's done in pairs. You do 3 family visits and then fill out a big booklet-y thing about it and it counts towards your grade in Human Development & Behavioural Science.

There was also an Ethics question in the HDBS paper based on the Family Case Study in the 2011 paper.

A Neurotic

starry nights wrote: »

Could anyone tell me what has come up in the past supplemental papers for human form and fuction? I'm freaking out a little cos i've to sit both papers again in august...

bythewoods wrote: »

HFF1 last year was easier than the original paper IIRC. Trying to think what came up- there were defo 2 nerves, possibly also Deltoid?

Email someone in anatomy and they'll probs send them onto you!

Yeah, deltoid, an upper and a lower limb nerve, and hip muscles all came up on the HFF1 supp.

EMAIL PT! He helped us out loads last year before the exam, met us in the DR loads of times and showed us past supp papers. Good luck!

starry nights

A Neurotic wrote: »

Yeah, deltoid, an upper and a lower limb nerve, and hip muscles all came up on the HFF1 supp.

EMAIL PT! He helped us out loads last year before the exam, met us in the DR loads of times and showed us past supp papers. Good luck!

Thanks a million! Any idea what came up for physiology?

I actually did email PT but he told me there was no way of seeing past supp papers...

A Neurotic

starry nights wrote: »

Thanks a million! Any idea what came up for physiology?

I actually did email PT but he told me there was no way of seeing past supp papers...

I think the physiology was really nice, but can't really remember the questions. My advice would be to go through the questions here, as they're essentially all the questions that you can be asked! Note that some of them are based purely on one slide or graph from a series of lectures, so be aware of those ones because they're really easy if you're prepared for them.

I covered the HFF1 physiology course in a day or two last year, I found it very crammable

theowen

Schols topic, diabetes. When will they give recommended texts etc?:rolleyes:

!?!

Can someone explain what Molecular Medicine is? And where we can find the lecture notes?! Thankies

bythewoods

theowen wrote: »

Schols topic, diabetes.

Yeah, saw that email. It's quite a nice topic in comparison to last year's "Ageing", which was a lot more broad.

!?! wrote: »

Can someone explain what Molecular Medicine is? And where we can find the lecture notes?! Thankies

It's a bit of a joke of a subject tbh! It's a rake of topics which don't really link very well together which are almost Biochem-y at times.
There's quite a lot on cancer in there.

Lecture notes are here:
https://medicine.tcd.ie/molecular-medicine/student/lecture-notes/index.php

mardybumbum

http://medicalindependent.ie/blog-post.aspx?title=end_of_an_era_at_tcd

http://medicalindependent.ie/page.aspx?title=new_closets_for_old_skeletons

I hope these articles will be of interest to the students who post here.
I am sure the new anatomy lab will be a great resource to the incoming students but I can't help but lament the loss of the anatomy department I knew and loved as a first year.