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Why Is Marijuana Illegal?
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I_AmThe_Walrus wrote: »1) It is not in any way, shape or form, addictive, mentally or physically.
2) It has unlimited and legitimate medical uses.
3) It is not a "gateway" drug.
4) If it was legal, organised crime would fall.
5) Government can tax it and give tourism a boost.
1 - anything at all that gives you pleasure can be addictive, so as much as i advocate decriminalisation, that's bollox.
2 - you can't say unlimited medical uses. it is useful though.
3 - gateway drug - now this is the most interesting thing. EDUCATION is the reason its a gateway drug, imo. when i was in school (entering abe simpson mode
) the teachers told us that heroin would kill us. cocaine would kill us. ecstasy, yep that'll kill you. cannabis, jesus you'll become addicted and rape everyone and murder everyone. and then you'll die.
so when people had their first cigarette and didn't die, then went out drinking and didn't die, and met people who'd smoked cannabis and hadn't died, they said "hey, maybe i won't die from that". and they didn't. so then, people say "maybe i won't die from cocaine, and that'll be nice too".
i think drugs education should come from people who aren't afraid to fill children's heads with anything other than propaganda. none of the teachers in my school ever told us horror stories of husband battering their wives after too many pints, but they were all too happy to prattle on about the weed 'crisis' in our area.
4 - irrefutable
5 - also irrefutable0 -
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genericguy wrote: »gateway drug - now this is the most interesting thing. EDUCATION is the reason its a gateway drug, imo. when i was in school (entering abe simpson mode) the teachers told us that heroin would kill us. cocaine would kill us. ecstasy, yep that'll kill you. cannabis, jesus you'll become addicted and rape everyone and murder everyone. and then you'll die.
so when people had their first cigarette and didn't die, then went out drinking and didn't die, and met people who'd smoked cannabis and hadn't died, they said "hey, maybe i won't die from that". and they didn't. so then, people say "maybe i won't die from cocaine, and that'll be nice too".
i think drugs education should come from people who aren't afraid to fill children's heads with anything other than propaganda. none of the teachers in my school ever told us horror stories of husband battering their wives after too many pints, but they were all too happy to prattle on about the weed 'crisis' in our area.
Great for you to chime in. :P
I understand that proper education is required for decriminalisation to be a success. When I was at school, we received a drug awareness class but again, the horror stories came out in there droves instead of teaching the children the facts. It's mindless propaganda and I think the Government have a responsibility to educate the people about a substance which is, in reality, easily obtained.0 -
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I've been browsing these forums for a couple years and never had the need to sign up. But after seeing this thread I had to say something.You can't legalise it in Ireland because there are too many stupid people in this country. The Irish do everthing to excess. Take a look at inner city areas at 2am on a Saturday night. People know what alcohol does to them and they abuse it anyway. Adding another drug they can abuse will just cause more problems. And having mass unemployment and a drug that makes you want to do f*ck all isn't a good combination. Fix the issues we have now and work from there. Once people learn to stop abusing alchohol, micotine, caffeine etc, then consider bringing other substances in.
Oh, and the whole "it'll reduce crime" argument is utter bull****. Criminals aren't going to decide to go straight because they can't sell one little drug.
After reading the ENTIRE thread, this is the ONLY comment that makes 100% sense.
Yes, there are great benefits from legalising "weed". People will love it as well I'm sure. There are also many cons to legalising "weed".
Irish people do have the tend to go in excess, same in England as well. From living in both countries and having parents with different stories from both countries over the past 40 years, I know what they saw (Might not be all 100% correct but its a damn sight better view on the past then most people in here would have).
Alcohol is a wonderful thing, in moderation. I'm not saying I have never gotten drunk off my head, but I can see how doing it every weekend (or every so often) is a bad habit. A terrible habit in fact. What is to say that this won't happen with "weed" also?
I'm going to get shot down by many, but "weed" does affect with the brain. Ask any nurse who works in a mental ward why most of the young male patients are in there. Also as far as dependency is concerned, that is down to a person not just a drug. I dislike using personal examples, but alas...I can go out and have a pint and be happy. I do have several friends who can only drink if they're going to go out on the lash and drink until they vomit.
And the only condemning thing to people I will say, in concurrence with the quoted post, that "weed" isn't the only drug that dealers are dealing. It will not kill off much drug dealers we have going, just the small ones who make a couple hundred a week off the smoke.
I think this is a great link for just straight up facts about it, not propaganda as a lot of "weed" lovers like to coin here...http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=172
With all that, I'd love for weed to be easier to get. My "friend" does enjoy it a good bit. By my "friend" can also see why it shouldn't be made legal
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I don't personally agree with the legal side of drug use in Ireland, I believe I would see less chaos if possession of most drugs was legal. However, what myths are you speaking of? Neither of the two issues I mention are myths; I see them often enough. Just google mental health or addiction and cannabis.
I not being funny, but people need to do their own research, none of which is perfect. A start for Ireland minght be http://www.hrb.ie/publications/
A recent report backs up your point of view...
http://www.independent.ie/health/health-fears-as-300000-young-people-use-cannabis-86217.html
... "dependency" "depression" "schizophrenia" ect. Statistically Irelands cannabis users number twice the EU average. So what can one deduce from the report? The Irish are keen users but it is to their detriment.
Cannabis should not be willingly accepted into Irish society for our citizens suffer from its effects?
I just wonder how other countries, those which tolerate and provide cannabis for their citizens, I wonder how they deal with the negative consequences?
It maybe that Ireland is different, our DNA can't handle it, our national psyche cannot handle it, We are like the American Indians with alcohol.
This should be made clear by drug treatment organisations.
This is not canada, california, holland, spain, czech republic ect...
We are Irish and Cannabis is especially bad for us.
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You can't legalise it in Ireland because there are too many stupid people in this country. The Irish do everthing to excess. Take a look at inner city areas at 2am on a Saturday night. People know what alcohol does to them and they abuse it anyway. Adding another drug they can abuse will just cause more problems. And having mass unemployment and a drug that makes you want to do f*ck all isn't a good combination. Fix the issues we have now and work from there. Once people learn to stop abusing alchohol, micotine, caffeine etc, then consider bringing other substances in.
Oh, and the whole "it'll reduce crime" argument is utter bull****. Criminals aren't going to decide to go straight because they can't sell one little drug.
There aren't too many people in this country, we have a small overall population and an urban sprawl because people refuse to build up, and yes we have an unhealthy drinking culture that needs to be made right but that doesn't mean that people should be prosecuted for something they're already going to be doing.
Life will go on like it's always gone on if cannabis is legalized, there won't be an increase in laziness- the people who are lazy fúckers will continue being lazy and the winners will keep on winning. As you said- if people where educated there wouldn't as big a problem with any presently legal drugs and that goes for marijuana too.
Just like any industry if you take away profits from, they have less money to work with and less people to sell to- simple.JazzPotato wrote: »I've been browsing these forums for a couple years and never had the need to sign up. But after seeing this thread I had to say something.
After reading the ENTIRE thread, this is the ONLY comment that makes 100% sense.
Yes, there are great benefits from legalising "weed". People will love it as well I'm sure. There are also many cons to legalising "weed".
Irish people do have the tend to go in excess, same in England as well. From living in both countries and having parents with different stories from both countries over the past 40 years, I know what they saw (Might not be all 100% correct but its a damn sight better view on the past then most people in here would have).
Alcohol is a wonderful thing, in moderation. I'm not saying I have never gotten drunk off my head, but I can see how doing it every weekend (or every so often) is a bad habit. A terrible habit in fact. What is to say that this won't happen with "weed" also?
I'm going to get shot down by many, but "weed" does affect with the brain. Ask any nurse who works in a mental ward why most of the young male patients are in there. Also as far as dependency is concerned, that is down to a person not just a drug. I dislike using personal examples, but alas...I can go out and have a pint and be happy. I do have several friends who can only drink if they're going to go out on the lash and drink until they vomit.
And the only condemning thing to people I will say, in concurrence with the quoted post, that "weed" isn't the only drug that dealers are dealing. It will not kill off much drug dealers we have going, just the small ones who make a couple hundred a week off the smoke.
I think this is a great link for just straight up facts about it, not propaganda as a lot of "weed" lovers like to coin here...http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=172
With all that, I'd love for weed to be easier to get. My "friend" does enjoy it a good bit. By my "friend" can also see why it shouldn't be made legal
If people smoked weed every week they'd probably experience something on par with someone smoking 5 times as much, e.g.. if they have five joints on saturday it'd be the same as a a pack and a change in smokes a week, aswell as weight gain and a worsened short term memory span.
The link between cannabis and schizophrenia is tenuous and sensationally reported quite alot, The UKs Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs are quoted in dissent to the drug policy in the UK, saying "The evidence suggests, at worst, that using cannabis increases the lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia by less than 1 per cent."*
And as for addiction, again education is the key- anyone with an addictive personality shouldn't reasonably do any drugs and anyone who is ignorant enough to abuse a drug enough to become mentally or physically dependent is a gobshín.
Again, legalisation would take cannabis out of the hands of drugs dealers- leaving them with less money and a smaller userbase, leading to less crime.
Talk to Frank is an english government funded propaganda site made to assist in prohibition- http://www.erowid.org/ is much more impartial and truthful in its delivery.
*http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/comment-exaggerated-claims-are-no-basis-for-policy-804525.html0 -
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I_AmThe_Walrus wrote: »Marijuana has been legal in the Netherlands since the 30's
sure it was legal here in the 10s
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I_AmThe_Walrus wrote: »Quite right and something I've always admired.:cool:
Admiration is due to the spanish too, I was reading about their system the other night, here have a browse if you like...
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/07/heres_what_pot_freedom_feels_like_report_from_spai.php
Apparently the Spanish enjoy security from persecution by having solid privacy laws which gives them freedom to do what they want in their own homes, oh and they are legally entitled to cultivate at home (by the rules).
Bliss for them, eh? The whole society is free from Cannabis Paranoia, it certainly helps the growers not to be so paranoid, and so eases depression
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Snake Pliisken wrote: »Cannabis isn't physically addicting so yes, unlike alcohol or opiates someone could come back to the drug and use without forming dependence again.
Gobshin to me has always meant idiot, not ignorant so when I called people who didn't heed caution gobshin I wasn't referring to their ignorance I was referring to their recklessness.
Recklessness, yes I can understand that. A startling revelation with constant heavy cannabis usage is that an individual can develop such a high tolerance to the drug that it ceases to have little or no effect :eek:. The reckless individual will continue to consume the herb in even larger quantities in the hope of getting the original effects but alas, all in vain. Education would say that a gobshin must learn discipline and appreciate a new understanding of what the herb is all about.
I noticed over in Amsterdam that older folk tend to purchase ready rolled single spliffs, almost as if it was their daily ration. For some people rather than quit the cannabis it appears that they can regulate the habit.
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Dude, i smoked weed for like 5 years
It started making me parnoid as ****
At first its cool tho,, maybe thats why
Well that's another aspect, Cannabis does'nt suit everybody, who knows tomorrow I may start to suffer cannabis induced paranoia and as such I may be well advised to give it up.
How did you become paranoid, was it like getting totally stoned and going into a busy supermarket for munchies only to end up stuck at a busy checkouts:eek:? I ask because I'm not familiar with cannabis paranoia, how did it manifest?0 -
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