Who runs Hollywood? Oliver Stone is right.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

By whichever way you personally are judging his "Jewishness".

See this is where you are being sneaky.

I have not ascribed any of Fagin's anti-semitic stereotypical Jewish traits onto him, Dickens did. Obviously I had as much to do with his creation as you did.

Do you deny that Dickens created in Fagin an anti-semitic Jewish character?

I don't. Anyone with a mental age of a 10 year old could see this.

No matter how you try and twist my point this is all that I have said.

Over time, even in Dickens' lifetime in subsuquent publishings and public readings the Fagin's Jewish stereotypically Jewish of the times traits have been lessened.

Do you deny that over time Fagin has become more PC?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Or are you now argeeing that you can't define that word without relying on stereotype.

No.

3rd time

: of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews; also : being a Jew

not relying on stereotype.

Brown Bomber

On Topic:

According to The Wrap, billionaire mogul Haim Saban and WME kingpin Ari Emanuel personally appealed to CBS boss Leslie Moonves to yank Stone’s 10-part documentary — A Secret History of America — from the network’s sister channel. Saban also lobbied CAA co-chief Bryan Lourd to drop Stone from the agency roster — much like Emanuel did with Mel Gibson earlier this month.

http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/hollywood-jews-who-dont-control-media-unite-to-get-oliver-stone-kicked-off-showtime.php

humanji

Brown Bomber wrote: »

On Topic:


http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/hollywood-jews-who-dont-control-media-unite-to-get-oliver-stone-kicked-off-showtime.php

I thought that was particularly ironic as it was a Jewish mogul complaining that Stone was wrong to say that Jewish moguls control the media, and so he decides to get his own back by using his sway to show that he can control the media and get Stone's documentary canned. Talk about an own-goal!

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

See this is where you are being sneaky.

I have not ascribed any of Fagin's anti-semitic stereotypical Jewish traits onto him, Dickens did. Obviously I had as much to do with his creation as you did.

Do you deny that Dickens created in Fagin an anti-semitic Jewish character?

I don't. Anyone with a mental age of a 10 year old could see this.

No matter how you try and twist my point this is all that I have said.

Over time, even in Dickens' lifetime in subsuquent publishings and public readings the Fagin's Jewish stereotypically Jewish of the times traits have been lessened.

Do you deny that over time Fagin has become more PC?

No.

3rd time

Quote:
: of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews; also : being a Jew
not relying on stereotype.

not relying on stereotype.

So Fagin's Jewishness was stereotyping, but somehow the definition of Jewishness does not rely on stereotyping?

You do know what "moving the goalposts" means right?

K-9

OK, can we all agree that the Fagin character is a massive stereotype but it does still exist?

Hell, probably feeds this thread in some shape or form!

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

On Topic:


http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/hollywood-jews-who-dont-control-media-unite-to-get-oliver-stone-kicked-off-showtime.php

So if these Jews control the media, why do they have to appeal to have this series blocked?
Shouldn't it just be blocked straight off?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

So Fagin's Jewishness was stereotyping, but somehow the definition of Jewishness does not rely on stereotyping?

Somehow?

You do know there is a difference between being Jewish and being a Jewish stereotype right?

Think you might be more at home at stormfront.

King Mob wrote: »

You do know what "moving the goalposts" means right?

Yeah.

You do know you accused the dictionary of stereotyping right?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Somehow?

You do know there is a difference between being Jewish and being a Jewish stereotype right?

Yes. I do.

Now can you please explain how the term "jewishness" applies to someone without stereotyping?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Think you might be more at home at stormfront.

Again, not the one accusing the Jews of trying to brainwash the rest of the world based on the idea that they are Jewish....

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah.
You do know you accused the dictionary of stereotyping right?

Nope I said that you can't use "Jewishness" to describe someone without stereotyping.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. I do.

So what is it then?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

So what is it then?

A Jewish person is a human being who is Jewish.
A Jewish stereotype is a idea about Jewish people that is based on generalisations, ignorance and plain old bigot try.

BB is this what you think honest debate entails?
Ignoring questions and pedantry?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. I do.

Now can you please explain how the term "jewishness" applies to someone without stereotyping?

A Jewish person is a human being who is Jewish.
A Jewish stereotype is a idea about Jewish people that is based on generalisations, ignorance and plain old bigot try.

King Mob wrote: »

Nope I said that you can't use "Jewishness" to describe someone without stereotyping.

Do you not understand the "Jewishness" the word you have fetished over gor 10 pages means exactly the same as "Jewish" when used as an adjective?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Do you not understand the "Jewishness" the word you have fetished over gor 10 pages means exactly the same as "Jewish" when used as an adjective?

No it doesn't BB.

The definition you gave for "Jewishness" was "charateristics of a jew"

I've been asking you to detail some of these characteristics.

But I give.
It's clear you've no intention of actually addressing any points anyone made to you.

I just wonder how you justify this in you mind.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

No it doesn't BB.

The definition you gave for "Jewishness" was "charateristics of a jew"

http://east.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jewish

posted this at least 5 times

Main Entry: Jew·ish
Pronunciation: \ˈjü-ish\
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1546
: of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews; also : being a Jew
— Jew·ish·ly adverb
— Jew·ish·ness noun

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Think we reached a stalemate an hour ago, for the sake of other users wishing to speak we should call it quits.


But I'll say one final thing . The anti-semtic character of Fagin and the infleunce it has on the public on the Jews of the day is exactly the same problem I am trying to highlight with Hollywood's dehumanization of Arabs which contributes support to things like this
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0728/Anti-Islamic-bus-ads-appear-in-major-cities

humanji

Oh for god's sake, give the "Jewishness" thing a rest. It's obvious what Brown Bomber is talking about and getting pedantic is pointless!

fontanalis

Oi!

Undergod

Seriously, this "Jewishness" thing is stupid.

"Fagin is less of a racist caricature than he used to be" is what I read from BB's post, nothing ofensive to see there.

Moving on...

Brown Bomber

Thanks you. common sense at last! Wish I could have put it so simply.

Brown Bomber

I seen this in the news today

Disney sells Miramax film studios
Entertainment giant Walt Disney has announced the sale of its Miramax film division for about $660m to a group of private equity investors.

The investors, Filmyard, includes construction magnate Ron Tutor and investment firm Colony Capital.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10814344

So for an experiment I decided to look into Ron Tutor's connections to see if they would support my previous assertions or not.

This is Ron Tutor

RONALD TUTOR

Net Worth: $427 million

Last year: Not on list

Age: 62

Residence: Hidden Hills

Source of Wealth: Construction

Background: Head of Tutor-Saliba sometimes finds himself in conflicts with customers -- most recently involving cities of L.A. and San Francisco. Suit filed against him over his role as trustee of Carpenters Union was dropped after lead plaintiff died.

Got into movie business with another partner by buying 50 percent of Franchise Pictures. Father A.G. Tutor founded company in 1949; Ron joined in 1963 after getting finance degree from USC. Built Tom Bradley Terminal at LAX, projects in New York and other cities.

Took control of Perini Corp., which builds Las Vegas casinos.

Politically connected, he helped finance Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi's successful return to office last year.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2835266/Going-down-for-the-count.html

so here is some information on Perini Corp.

Perini Corporation

Background

Founded more than a century ago in Massachusetts as a civil infrastructure contractor, Perini is known today for its hospitality and gaming industry projects, and for its corrections, health care, sports, entertainment and educational expertise. It is the largest casino and hotel builder in the United States. It also builds hospitals, prisons and public buildings. In addition, Perini is a major player in civil infrastructure construction, working on everything from bridges and highways to subways and airports.

Chairman and CEO Ronald Tutor and billionaire investor Richard Blum, who together own investment groups that hold 75 percent of Perini's voting stock, company. Blum is the husband of U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

EDIT BY ME : Dianne Feinstein in one of the most pro-Israel speeches I have ever heard by an American politician

END EDIT

Iraq contracts

In April 2003, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' Transatlantic Programs Center awarded a contract to Perini worth as much as $500 million to provide goods and services to the U.S. Central Command. Washington Group International and Fluor Intercontinental were awarded similar contracts. The indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (IDIQ) contract has a performance period of one year. The IDIQ contract allows the Corps of Engineers to call upon the contracted companies to rapidly execute design and construction services as needed anywhere in CENTCOM's area of operations to support military operations, other U.S. government agencies, or friendly foreign governments under established agreements. The area of operations encompasses 25 nations from the Horn of Africa into central Asia, including Afghanistan and Iraq. No specific work or location for work to be performed has been identified to date.

In late September 2003, the Army Corps of Engineers issued additional task orders totaling $278 million on the three individual contracts and the Corps decided to raise the contract ceiling from $100 million to $500 million.

Perini will repair electrical infrastructure in southern Iraq, while Fluor and Washington Group International will perform similar work in central and northern Iraq.

Afghanistan contracts

In March 2003, Perini was awarded a contract by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Transatlantic Programs Center, for the design and construction of facilities to support the First Brigade of the Afghan National Army, located near Kabul.

Perini is the prime contractor for this $25 million, fast-track project, providing overall program management, design management, construction management and supervision, and quality control. The Perini team includes Tetra Tech, Azad Architects, and POWER Engineers.

The project consists of three phases, with occupancy of some facilities to begin in May 2003 and a final completion date of August 2003. It is unclear if the work has been completed. The facilities consist of barracks, dining facilities, a power plant, a water treatment facility and a wastewater treatment plant. Construction was started on January 19, 2003.

On April 4, 2003, the Army Corps of Engineers' Transatlantic Programs Center announced that it had awarded three contracts "to rapidly execute design and construction services as needed anywhere" in the area of operations for the U.S. military's Central Command (CENTCOM). The one-year contracts, awarded to Fluor Intercontinental, Perini Corporation and Washington Group International, are indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contracts with a guaranteed minimum value of $500,000 and a maximum of $100 million. However, in late September 2003, the Army Corps of Engineers issued additional task orders totaling $278 million on the three contracts and the Corps decided to raise the contract ceiling from $100 million to $500 million.

According to the Pentagon: Perini, alongside Fluor Intercontinental and Washington Group International, will remove and rebuild damaged roads and replace a destroyed bridge in Afghanistan as part of their individual IDIQ contracts to support CENTCOM.

Government ties

Principal shareholder Richard Blum, who co-owns 75 percent of Perini's voting shares, is the husband of U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat from California who serves on the Appropriations Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence.
Legal Action/Investigations

Perini entered into a contract worth roughly $41 million with the City of New York to upgrade and expand the structures and equipment at the Coney Island Water Pollution Plant. During performance of the contract, the city issued several change orders that increased the time required to complete the contract and caused Perini to incur extra costs. Perini notified the city that it had incurred or would incur damages as a result of the change orders. Perini and the city were unable to resolve the issue, so Perini sued. The federal courts ultimately ruled in the city's favor.

Updates

As of May 20, 2004

On March 12, 2004, the Program Management Office awarded Perini a contract with a ceiling of $500,000,000 for "electrical power distribution and transmission" in the southern region of Iraq.

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=45

Perini also have contracts with the Israeli military.

Ovda Airbase Negev Desert, Israel


Perini Corporation received a Patriotic Civilian Service Award for its performance in supporting the Army Corps of Engineers to construct this secure, tactical airbase for the Israeli Air Force, ahead of schedule. The design/build project required the assembly and support of a work force of 4,500 persons to construct an entire airbase in the remote Negev Desert.

The project involved construction of hardened underground aircraft shelters, runways and taxiways, sewer and water systems, electrical and telephone systems, housing, and roads. The complex procurement organization involved over 110,000 different items coming from the U.S. and foreign markets by ship, air, and land.
http://www.perini.com/pmsi/federal_defense_body.htm

Negev was in the news this week but I assume a lot of you may of missed it.

State to help army officers move to Negev

The government will be providing housing assistance for army officers who move to the Negev desert region, as army bases relocate from central Israel. Assistance will take the form of a two-year rent subsidy or a discount on buying land to build a home.

The ministerial committee on development of the Negev and Galilee, headed by deputy prime minister Silvan Shalom, yesterday approved a list of decisions to strengthen the two regions. In total, the moves will cost more than NIS 200 million. They include initiatives to encourage army personnel to relocate to the Negev.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/state-to-help-army-officers-move-to-negev-1.304286


Ethnic cleansing in the Israeli Negev

The razing of a Bedouin village by Israeli police shows how far the state will go to achieve its aim of Judaising the Negev region

Scores of Bedouin men were standing on a yellow hill, sharing their experiences from the early morning hours, while all around them uprooted olive trees lay on the ground. A whole village comprising between 40 and 45 houses had been completely razed in less than three hours.

the Bedouins are Israeli citizens, and I suddenly understood how far the state is ready to go to accomplish its objective of Judaising the Negev region; what I witnessed was, after all, an act of ethnic cleansing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/28/ethnic-cleansing-israeli-negev

Video: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2010/jul/28/palestinian-territories-israel

Busloads of Israeli's cheer ethnic cleansing

Witnesses told CNN that the Israeli forces arrived at the village accompanied by busloads of civilians who cheered as the dwellings were demolished. They said armed police deployed with tear gas, water cannon, two helicopters and bulldozers. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/27/israel.bedouins.demolitions/index.html?hpt=T2#fbid=fVVxKafHi-h

I have no idea if Ron Tutor is Jewish or not but it makes no difference. The company he is chairman and CEO of gets massive military contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan and is business partners with Zionist Jewish-Americans. Wonder if he will beat the drums of war with Iran and Islam? Something tells me he will.

Brown Bomber

Central to the Miramax deal seems to be Tutor's business partner the disgraced David Bergstein.

In March, 14 creditors petitioned US Bankruptcy Court in LA to place Bergstein's five main holdings into Chapter 11, claiming he used such companies as Capitol Films and ThinkFilm as "his own personal fiefdom and bankroll." The most serious charge was that Bergstein, 47, used corporate bank accounts as collateral to obtain markers at Las Vegas casinos.

"That's ridiculous and not even possible," Bergstein told Page Six. Records show the Mandalay Corp. of Las Vegas had an $800,000 judgment against him. Bergstein said, "It has since been taken care of." He added, "I put together the transaction and brought everyone together. I'll be involved, but I won't be running it [Miramax]."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/partner_with_some_issues_vQrykbr8oya14D6mp3pxDI#ixzz0vHcA9iv1

Here is an example of an anti-Christian movie produced by the Jewish Bergstein.

MEDIA MATTERS
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Jesus' deflowers virgin sexpot in new comedy

A new comedy spoof on the Ten Commandments portrays Jesus Christ deflowering a sexy virgin, and is raising some eyebrows in the Christian community.
http://70.85.195.205/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56917

digme

You'd want to be a total idiot to disagree with stone.
The media is ruining our kids minds.

humanji

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Central to the Miramax deal seems to be Tutor's business partner the disgraced David Bergstein.



Here is an example of an anti-Christian movie produced by the Jewish Bergstein.

That film is about the Ten Commandments which feature (along with Jesus) fairly heavily in the Jewish faith.

Brown Bomber

humanji wrote: »

That film is about the Ten Commandments which feature (along with Jesus) fairly heavily in the Jewish faith.

Jesus doesn't feature in the Jewish faith other than with contempt. Talmudic Jews view Jesus/Yeshu as a false prophet who was the bastard son of Mary/Miriam who was raped by a Roman solider. Yeshu dabbled in sorcery and witchcraft and was executed.

They despise Jesus the self hating Jew.

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them



A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.
The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

According to Holocaust survivor Dr. Israel Shahak, in his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, this practice has ancient roots and has become increasingly commonplace:

Dishonoring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, and especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from around AD 200 for pious Jews.


In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church.



The increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism, organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government, is a an act of traditional Jewish piety.



It does not cease to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary, it is worse because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous, because in part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.
http://www.ww4report.com/node/1046

Movies like the one mentioned are just another form of spitting on the church IMO

Torakx

Not that i think the church are so great,any church for that matter.But ye theres alot going on to put it short.

Brown Bomber

Torakx wrote: »

Not that i think the church are so great,any church for that matter.But ye theres alot going on to put it short.

I think the majority of people have a compulsion to good and support what is good and that is where the mass media comes in - to **** with our natural sense of right from wrong.

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Brown Bomber

According to The Wrap, billionaire mogul Haim Saban and WME kingpin Ari Emanuel personally appealed to CBS boss Leslie Moonves to yank Stone’s 10-part documentary — A Secret History of America — from the network’s sister channel. Saban also lobbied CAA co-chief Bryan Lourd to drop Stone from the agency roster — much like Emanuel did with Mel Gibson earlier this month.

Haim Saban interviewed in the New Yorker, published May 1oth 2010.

“Being charming and analytical is quite a combination,” said Shimon Peres, the President of Israel, who has been a close friend of Saban’s for more than twenty years.

His greatest concern, he says, is to protect Israel

At a conference last fall in Israel, Saban described his formula. His “three ways to be influential in American politics,” he said, were: make donations to political parties, establish think tanks, and control media outlets.

Zionist hyprocite...It continues.

In 2002, he contributed seven million dollars toward the cost of a new building for the Democratic National Committee—one of the largest known donations ever made to an American political party. That year, he also founded the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution, in Washington, D.C. He considered buying The New Republic, but decided it wasn’t for him. He also tried to buy Time and Newsweek, but neither was available. He and his private-equity partners acquired Univision in 2007, and he has made repeated bids for the Los Angeles Times.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/10/100510fa_fact_bruck#ixzz0vM5HBUKf

In case anyone doesn't know the aforementioned Ari Emanuel is the brother of Obama's Chief-Of-Staff Rahm "Israel" Emanuel and is a son of the Jewish Irgun Terrorist Benjamin Emanuel (Real name Ezekiel Auerbach).

(WMR) -- A well-placed British source informed WMR that Rahm Emanuel's father, Benjamin Emanuel, specialized in the terrorist bombings of buses carrying British troops and policemen during the British Mandate in Palestine.

This is what Benjamin had to say in a 2008 Israeli interview after Rahm had been appointed.

Obviously, he will influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn't he? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House. http://www.haaretz.com/news/rahm-emanuel-apologizes-for-father-s-disparaging-remarks-about-arabs-1.257238

Brown Bomber

Saban Center For Middle East Policy

Mearsheimer and Walt then mention the Saban Center and the Brooking Institution as an example[8] :

Take the Brookings Institution. For many years, its senior expert on the Middle East was William B. Quandt, a former National Security Council official with a well-deserved reputation for even-handedness. Today, Brookings’s coverage is conducted through the Saban Center for Middle East Studies, which is financed by Haim Saban, an Israeli-American businessman and ardent Zionist. The centre’s director is the ubiquitous Martin Indyk. What was once a non-partisan policy institute is now part of the pro-Israel chorus."[8]

Mearsheimer and Walt discussing the Center's political slant state:

It is hard to imagine that a research institute funded by Saban and directed by Indyk is going to be anything but pro-Israel. To be sure, the Saban Centre occasionally hosts Arab scholars and exhibits some diversity of opinion. Saban Center fellows – like Indyk himself – often endorse the idea of a two-state settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. But Saban Center publications never question US support for Israel and rarely, if ever, offer significant criticism of key Israeli policies. Moreover, individuals who stray from the Center’s line do not remain for long, as former NSC official Flynt Leverett’s brief tenure there illustrates.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saban_Center_for_Middle_East_Policy

And a director of the institute was involved in spying on the US for Israel

US government indictment

A U.S. government indictment alleges that the Center's Director of Research, Kenneth Pollack, provided information to former AIPAC employees Steve J. Rosen and Keith Weissman during the AIPAC espionage scandal.[10]

humanji

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Jesus doesn't feature in the Jewish faith other than with contempt. Talmudic Jews view Jesus/Yeshu as a false prophet who was the bastard son of Mary/Miriam who was raped by a Roman solider. Yeshu dabbled in sorcery and witchcraft and was executed.

They despise Jesus the self hating Jew.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099



Movies like the one mentioned are just another form of spitting on the church IMO

So then it's not spitting in the eye of christianity, it's using the Jewish version of Jesus? And what about one of the writer's being Christian? Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

bonkey

This thread has turned into little but an attack on specific Jews, and (to some extent) the Jewish faith in general.

I see no merit in allowing it to continue.