Ground Zero Mosque

Amerika

Nationwide polls show that more than two-thirds of Americans oppose the plan to build the mosque so close to the site of the World Trade Center. And I think the same percentage, if not more, also contend the group does have the legal right to build the mosque.

If as was stated from the planning group as reasoning for the build, that "We want to reach out to those who don't understand us," they surely are going about it all wrong.

There remains visions in American thoughts played out on TV in 2001 of Muslims around the world dancing at the news of the 9/11 attacks. At the time, reports were few and far between of Muslims around the world condemning the actions of the jihadist terrorists in the name of Islam.

With all the difficulties the group faces in the building of the mosque, they would be better served moving the mosque much farther away from the Ground Zero area. As an example, how easy does anybody think it will be to actually find a constructions company familiar with the difficulties and complexities of building such a large building in Manhattan, willing to take on the task? I can’t imagine any construction company willing to take on such negative publicity. The planning group would be better served moving the location, and playing on sensitivities as a real means of reaching out to those who don’t understand them. With the fight for the hearts of Americans in this matter, right now popular opinion is one that the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be nothing more than a deliberate provocation to thumb their noses at the infidel.

It’s my opinion that the group who wants to build the mosque now has the opportunity (maybe better than anybody else) to begin mending wounds, if they announce plans to move the location, based on sensitivity and common decency. Continuing the push to build the mosque will do nothing more than further the divide that currently exists.

wes

Amerika wrote: »

There remains visions in American thoughts played out on TV in 2001 of Muslims around the world dancing at the news of the 9/11 attacks. At the time, reports were few and far between of Muslims around the world condemning the actions of the jihadist terrorists in the name of Islam.

Care to provide links of Muslims around the world dancing at the news of the 9/11 attacks?

Also, does the following entitle Muslims to bigoted morons to Americans?:

US House rejects Goldstone report

Ping Chow Chi

How about treating this as great opportunity for America as a whole to show just how tolerant and understanding a people they are, and see the construction of this mosque as what I am sure it is, a convenient place for people to worship their chosen god?

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Overheal

It’s my opinion that the group who wants to build the mosque now has the opportunity (maybe better than anybody else) to begin mending wounds, if they announce plans to move the location, based on sensitivity and common decency. Continuing the push to build the mosque will do nothing more than further the divide that currently exists.

Did you know there's already a mosque 4 blocks away from Ground Zero? Been there 40 years. Whats another?

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7611917

In fact, within four blocks of Ground Zero, Eyewitness News found two strip clubs [Hallowed Ground Much?], an adult video and lingerie store, off-track betting, and, a few blocks away, a mosque that has been a part of the neighborhood since the World Trade Center opened its doors 40 years ago.

And ok, Ground Zero, Mohommad-Jihad, etc. What about Staten Island? No? They're protesting a mosque there too huh... I guess thats technically still NYC. Ok. Tennessee? Oh wait - Yeah I guess thats on the same Seaboard as Ground Zero. What about Wisconsin? Real America! Dangit. Okay, what about Pinko-Bleeding-Liberal California, surely they - f*ck.

Amerika

wes wrote: »

Care to provide links of Muslims around the world dancing at the news of the 9/11 attacks?

My statement was made about what remains in the thoughts of Americans. You can argue whether it is Muslim vs Palestine vs whatever all you want in the link below, but my point is regarding what remains today in the minds of Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

How about treating this as great opportunity for America as a whole to show just how tolerant and understanding a people they are, and see the construction of this mosque as what I am sure it is, a convenient place for people to worship their chosen god?

America is already one of the most, if not the most, tolerant nations on the face of the earth… thank you very much.

donegalfella wrote: »

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Probably not many. But it doesn’t matter as much in the US Politics forum as it would in the Political Theory forum.

You're now proposing that the mosque should not be built so as to save a construction company from negative publicity?

This is really scraping the bottom of the argumentative barrel.

Huh. Please read over what I wrote. I used the construction company as an EXAMPLE of some of the complexities this group faces in the actual building of the mosque. But don’t let what I actually say stand in the way of a good old fashioned bending of the truth.

wes

Amerika wrote: »

My statement was made about what remains in the thoughts of Americans. You can argue whether it is Muslim vs Palestine vs whatever all you want in the link below, but my point is regarding what remains today in the minds of Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

So, in one place the danced in the streets. BTW, conicidently the US government does support violence against them:

US House rejects Goldstone report

Now, niether is right, but thing certainly change a great deal, when context is put in place.

Still, you said the following:

Amerika wrote: »

There remains visions in American thoughts played out on TV in 2001 of Muslims around the world dancing at the news of the 9/11 attacks. At the time, reports were few and far between of Muslims around the world condemning the actions of the jihadist terrorists in the name of Islam.

So, basically some American's have a mistaken image of Muslims around the world dancing in celebration on 9/11, which is of course untrue, as it happened in only place. A place, that US has supported a great deal of violence against as well.

Also btw, there were candle light vigils in Iran of all places, but if some American's choose to be ignorant of facts and reality, well then that is really no excuse on there part. IMHO, ignorance is no excuse, and considering that the correct information is avaliable in a few seconds online, these people who view things as you describe, are imho choosing to be ignorant.

Amerika wrote: »

America is already one of the most, if not the most, tolerant nations on the face of the earth… thank you very much.

Well, if that is the case, then the Islamic Center will be built.

Amerika

wes wrote: »

Also btw, there were candle light vigils in Iran of all places, but if some American's choose to be ignorant of facts and reality, well then that is really no excuse on there part. IMHO, ignorance is no excuse, and considering that the correct information is avaliable in a few seconds online, these people who view things as you describe, are imho choosing to be ignorant.

There’s an old latin saying Ignorantia legis neminem excusat… Ignorance of the law is no excuse. There is no such similar saying in US Politics as far as I'm aware of.

Overheal

America is already one of the most, if not the most, tolerant nations on the face of the earth… thank you very much.

So you think it's ok to cash-in a "Tolerance Coupon" to tell the muslim world we don't want them here and they aren't entitled to First Amendment Rights?

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Amerika

donegalfella wrote: »

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The city will not be tasked with finding a construction company to build the mosque, it will be the job of the group planning the mosque to find a willing construction company. And that is where the problem will lay.

wes

Amerika wrote: »

There’s an old latin saying Ignorantia legis neminem excusat… Ignorance of the law is no excuse. There is no such similar saying in US Politics as far as I'm aware of.

Well, if thats the case, it sure does explain a lot..... However, I think that only applies to a fringe in the US.

Amerika

wes wrote: »

Well, if thats the case, it sure does explain a lot..... However, I think that only applies to a fringe in the US.

It applies to many more than you might think.

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Palmach

Amerika wrote: »

With the fight for the hearts of Americans in this matter, right now popular opinion is one that the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be nothing more than a deliberate provocation to thumb their noses at the infidel.

It’s my opinion that the group who wants to build the mosque now has the opportunity (maybe better than anybody else) to begin mending wounds, if they announce plans to move the location, based on sensitivity and common decency. Continuing the push to build the mosque will do nothing more than further the divide that currently exists.

Wasting your time here fella. The pc left are out in force. This Mosque is a deliberate provocation and it's standing out a mile. It would do no harm at all if this Mosque was not built as it might send out a signal that the West is not a total push over in the face of the march of the Islamic supremacists.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

The city will not be tasked with finding a construction company to build the mosque, it will be the job of the group planning the mosque to find a willing construction company. And that is where the problem will lay.

Ah semantic bullpiddle, I love thee.

In this case however my friend I believe Fella is referring to The City in this case being the Population, nay, the Society of New York City; a Culture unto itself. It's of course not the remit of the Municipal government of NYC to line up a construction crew - this isn't a Communist Country after all!

Amerika

donegalfella wrote: »

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No semblance of a threat whatsoever. I'm just stating a observation and possible reality I forsee. Sorry if the truth hurts.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

No semblance of a threat whatsoever. I'm just stating a observation and possible reality I forsee. Sorry if the truth hurts.

They've already set opening dates and all: what makes you think they haven't already lined up a construction contract? You're guesstimating blind here.

metrovelvet

Amerika wrote: »

No semblance of a threat whatsoever. I'm just stating a observation and possible reality I forsee. Sorry if the truth hurts.

I dont believe this. In NY everything is about the bottom line. Construction is about money. They wont turn that down.

Nodin

Amerika wrote: »

America is already one of the most, if not the most, tolerant nations on the face of the earth… thank you very much..

....but will be moving down the scale, if this kind of rabble rousing is anything to go by.

Metrovelvet wrote:

I dont believe this.(.........)turn that down. ..

Is there some reason you can't answer that question I put to you....?

metrovelvet

What was the question?

Hazlittle

The Pentagon was bombed and they now have a mosque physically on the site. This is one is two blocks away. Big whoop.

Nodin

metrovelvet wrote: »

What was the question?

Do you think all muslims are the same?

wes

Amerika wrote: »

It applies to many more than you might think.

I am sure most American's are intelligent enough, to know the difference between the reactions of a small group of people on some random street in the occupied terroritories (which btw the US government helps fund the occupation of, to the tunes of billions of dollars), and 1.5 billion people world wide. I can only imagine a small group of very stupid people are unaware of the difference.

metrovelvet

Nodin wrote: »

Do you think all muslims are the same?

No.

wes

Palmach wrote: »

Wasting your time here fella. The pc left are out in force.

Ah yes, the old PC nonsense. If you look at the US constitution, they have this thing called Religous freedom. Nothing to do with being PC at all.

Palmach wrote: »

This Mosque is a deliberate provocation and it's standing out a mile.

Really, it is? I am sure you can prove that accusation....?

Palmach wrote: »

It would do no harm at all if this Mosque was not built as it might send out a signal that the West is not a total push over in the face of the march of the Islamic supremacists.

No, the message it would send out, is that all the talk about freedom in the West is a lie.

Palmach

Nodin wrote: »

Do you think all muslims are the same?

The answer is they are not but some are more extreme than others. It is important to differentiate.

Palmach

wes wrote: »

No, the message it would send out, is that all the talk about freedom in the West is a lie.

There are many mosques in NY (44 I believe) so it isn't a lie. So if this was stopped to whom would this freedom be a lie? The Islamic world who are bottom of the heap in terms of religious freedom? Rank hypocrisy if any Islamic nation opened their mouth about it. Also does this Cordoba Institute lobby the Saudi Government to open a christian churches on their soil you know in the interest of their much vaunted inter faith relations.

Overheal

Ah yes, the old PC nonsense. If you look at the US constitution, they have this thing called Religous freedom. Nothing to do with being PC at all.

Well actually, it is Correct to cite the First Amendment. And those who QQ at the PC Brigade are basically saying "To hell with the US Constitution when it doesn't suit us".

The Islamic world who are bottom of the heap in terms of religious freedom?

Astonishingly no: that would be atheists according to a 2009 study. And quite true given that, when 'outed' as an Atheist, a Christian's first instinct is to attempt to purge my heathen beliefs and turn me into a faithful follower of Jesus. I find this practice highly distasteful.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1786422&page=1

metrovelvet

Overheal wrote: »

Well actually, it is Correct to cite the First Amendment. And those who QQ at the PC Brigade are basically saying "To hell with the US Constitution when it doesn't suit us".
Astonishingly no: that would be atheists according to a 2009 study. And quite true given that, when 'outed' as an Atheist, a Christian's first instinct is to attempt to purge my heathen beliefs and turn me into a faithful follower of Jesus. I find this practice highly distasteful.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1786422&page=1

Yes but you live in the South right?