Ground Zero Mosque

La frog fairy

well like i said, it should be park but i well know it never would, already said why.:cool:

They were always gonna make another tower if not 2!

DeVore

metrovelvet wrote: »

It does and it doesn't. That's why you have manslaughter and drunk driving convictions.

Simply saying "I didnt mean it" doesn't really cut it.

But you cant apply this to the first ammendment. Intent to offend doesnt come into it. That's why Piss Christ hangs in a museum. That's ok. You hang a Piss Mohammed and you have WW3?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

From your own link...

The piece caused a scandal when it was exhibited in 1989, with detractors, including United States Senators Al D'Amato and Jesse Helms, outraged that Serrano received $15,000 for the work, part of it from the taxpayer-funded National Endowment for the Arts. Serrano received death threats and hate mail, and lost grants due to the controversy.[8] Others alleged that the government funding of Piss Christ violated separation of church and state.[9][10] The work was vandalized at the National Gallery of Victoria, Australia, and gallery officials reported receiving death threats in response to Piss Christ.[11] Supporters argued that the controversy over Piss Christ is an issue of artistic freedom and freedom of speech.[11]
Sister Wendy Beckett, an art critic and Catholic nun, stated in a television interview with Bill Moyers that she regarded the work as not blasphemous but a statement on "what we have done to Christ": that is, the way contemporary society has come to regard Christ and the values he represents.[12]
During a retrospective of Serrano's work at the National Gallery of Victoria in 1997, the then Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne, George Pell, sought an injunction from the Supreme Court of Victoria to restrain the National Gallery of Victoria from publicly displaying Piss Christ, which was not granted. Some days later, one patron attempted to remove the work from the gallery wall, and two teenagers later attacked it with a hammer.[13] The director of the NGV cancelled the show, allegedly out of concern for a Rembrandt exhibition that was also on display at the time.[9]
Piss Christ was included in "Down by Law," a "show within a show" on identity politics and disobedience that formed part of the 2006 Whitney Biennial. The BBC documentary Damned in the USA explored the controversy surrounding Piss Christ.

Overheal

33% God wrote: »

Ground Zero was never going to be a Park, it is prime real estate in lower Manhattan.
This is what it's going to be:



The Islamic cultural centre is a couple of blocks away from Ground Zero in the old burlington coat factory.

Is.... is that a middle finger?

Nodin

Its the Freedom Finger.

La frog fairy

Its the Freedom Finger

good one, thanks for the monday laugh:D

metrovelvet

Who the hell would take out office space in that? Talk about hope over experience.

Black Swan

Latest news. They don't plan to move. Money talks, and...

Wall Street Journal, 1 October... "We're talking billion-dollar U.S.-based companies that have been reaching out to us and that are interested in being one of the founding sponsors of this project," he said. "These are all companies that are looking to penetrate into the Muslim world, realizing that this is an untapped market."

Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704483004575524451895450286.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

wes

I taught the following article to be very interesting, and it show that a lot of the issues people had with Park 51 were largely imaginary (i am putting it nicely):

Park51 drawings prove how far 'Ground Zero mosque' claims are from truth

Plans for $120m project suggest building will be a multifaith community centre, including gym and playground

Judging by the criticism thrown at the Muslim centre planned for downtown Manhattan, you would think developers intended to build an Islamic citadel right on top of Ground Zero with "sponsored by al-Qaida" written on its front.

In fact, the proposed scheme for the much-slated "Ground Zero mosque" is neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero – it is a multifaith community centre with an Islamic prayer area, two blocks north of the site where the twin towers once stood. Now, conceptual drawings of the building have been released, revealing a planned structure that is strikingly modern and in keeping with the spirit of New York's most cutting-edge design.

Park51, named after its location on the site of an old coat factory in Park Place, would be a sleek 15-storey tower sandwiched between older buildings.

The most vivid element of the renderings, drawn by a New York-based design studio, Soma Architects, is the building's white frontage, which is broken up into a lattice of interlocking geometric shapes. At night, it would be lit up like a glistening honeycomb.

Click here for full article

What is also interesting is that the above shows how early they are in the planning stages, and it does show up some of the claims made by opponents, which were clearly made up.

Anonymous1987

More details here, Park51 will include: "a restaurant, theater, day care center, gym and pool — might be stacked in a building of up to 15 stories. There would also be a 9/11 memorial and a space open to people of “all faiths and of no faith” for prayer, contemplation and meditation."

"The space for Muslims would be in the basement. Technically, it would be a prayer hall known as a musalla, because its construction would not meet rules required to sanctify a mosque."

Looks like the developers are really going out of their way to make the centre as open and inclusive to everyone as much as possible.

Black Swan

Bill O'Reilly keeps the flames burning at Ground Zero.

See ABC vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25uyFwWPOZg

wes

Just read the following article on the Guardian, which shows the treatment of other sacred sites in the US:

Saving North America's sacred sites

Pretty good example of the amazing hypocrisy from the US, and the general disrespect for the scared sites of the indigenous people. I think it an interesting juxtaposition.

Black Swan

Moscow's "Ground Zero Mosque?"

Links:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/10/moscows-ground-zero-mosque/64810/
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,723799,00.html

Nodin

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Moscow's "Ground Zero Mosque?"

Links:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/10/moscows-ground-zero-mosque/64810/
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,723799,00.html

Don't think so, going on that.

Black Swan

Whatever happened to all the political hysteria and contention mid-year about the Ground Zero Mosque? What a craic!

Otacon

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Whatever happened to all the political hysteria and contention mid-year about the Ground Zero Mosque? What a craic!

The Mid-Terms are over, no-one cares now. :pac:

Black Swan

A lot to be learned from the Ground Zero Mosque controversy, in that it was highly contentious for months, now gone silent after the November 2010 mid-terms; i.e., when we encounter the next controversy, remember this one, and how it was never resolved, but disappeared when the real issue had passed (elections).

norbert64

So after all this nonsense, it looks like she's been giving the green light after all?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ground-mosque-wins-legal-battle-build/story?id=14062701