Do you think the sexes are actually equal?

Deus Ex Machina

I am not asking if you think they should be treated equally, I am asking if you think that if you think, in general, are men and women equal? I say in general because it is clear that there are members of either gender which are clearly better or worse than average when certain attributes are compared. It happens to be my opinion that, from my perspective, I think men have the advantage given their (again I stress, everything in general) superior physical capabilities, and I think they are more fun. I am not a misogynist, I get along fine with plenty of the female gender, I just happen to this that their isn't equality between the sexes no matter how much people want to spin it that way.

smash

Women are better off than men... they pay less insurance and can throw a sexual harassment suit at you if you look at them the wrong way!

Agricola

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

I think men have the advantage given their (again I stress, everything in general) superior physical capabilities, and I think they are more fun.

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mikemac

For certain jobs they are not equal.
If I was a foreman looking for a building laborer, I know who I would hire.

smash

feelingstressed wrote: »

For certain jobs they are not equal.
If I was a foreman looking for a building laborer, I know who I would hire.

Xena?

Minstrel27

Women get a better deal than men. The sexism that existed back in the day has been well and truly reversed.

ch750536

Equal but not the same.

El Weirdo

Women have boobs.

/thread

dvpower

How could they be equal? They are completely different genders.

ripeinmay

Men have bigger penis's

El Weirdo

ripeinmay wrote: »

Men have bigger penis's

Bigger penis's what?

--Kaiser--

dvpower wrote: »

How could they be equal? They are completely different genders.

This tbh

CreepingDeath

While people play with statistics to claim the sexes are equal, they are not.
Same with various races.

While both genders may be found on all points in the IQ and skill set bell curve, that doesn't mean that the average IQ/particular skill set is the same.

ScumLord

Question doesn't really make sense??

They can be equal in the eyes of the law but male and females of every species are fairly specialised. The female body needs to be able to produce offspring which means they can be physically very different from males. Males just needs to show off physical prowess and have little use other than providing good DNA in a lot of species.

Liam Byrne

Women can set up groups for "Women in Business", etc
If a man did the equivalent there would be murder.

Women can campaign for quotas in places like the Dáil
Men can't

Women get priority in custody cases
Men don't

So no, they're not equal.

massdebater

Nope they're not equal nor should they be. Women are better than men at some things and men are better than women at other things.

Both sexes use their gender to their advantage in different situations. Nothing wrong with it either in my opinion

koHd

Generally speaking the sexes are not equal.

We're different.

Men are better at some things.

Women are better at some things.

But of course there are exceptions to the rule.

Men and women can be the same intelligence but on average, men are slightly smarter.
I'm not talking about leaving cert cause that's not intelligence.. I mean stuff like having your change ready when you get on the bus.. Lads do it, women don't. Or understanding technology.. Some women can but most just can't comprehend it.

I'm not sexist, I work in an office that's two thirds women and see it everyday.

starbelgrade

How can you tell if a woman is happy?

































Who cares?

Anthony Walsh

They aren't equal women have their own insurance companies, if men did it would be sexist. Women have their own gyms if men did it would be sexist. If a man hits another man after a night out night in the cell max. A woman hits a man after a night out, nothing happens. A man hits a woman after a night out a night in the cell is the least of your worries, at least a year in jail. How is this equal?

And why do they need insurance companies and gyms? They should be in the kitchen making my sammich

ScumLord

Deleted User wrote: »

Men and women can be the same intelligence but on average, men are slightly smarter.
I'm not talking about leaving cert cause that's not intelligence.. I mean stuff like having your change ready when you get on the bus.. Lads do it, women don't. Or understanding technology.. Some women can but most just can't comprehend it.

I'm not sexist, I work in an office that's two thirds women and see it everyday.

TBH, I don't think women try half the time, social stereotypes can become ingrained in people to the point they'd believe they can't do something without even putting the effort in to even try doing it. But the advantage of the human is we've spread our intelligence across the genders. Every thing men do bad women do well and visa versa.

liah

No. They're not. But they also are.

Men and women have very different overall strengths and weaknesses. Some men and some women can be exceptions, but most fall under a general guideline. We use our brains differently, our bodies are built differently, the way we communicate is quite different. It's just how it is, regardless of how many people want to think it's not. So no, they're not equal.

That said, they're equal in the sense that these strengths and weaknesses on both sides tend to balance each other out. The strengths of men compensate for the weaknesses of women, and the strengths of women compensate for the weaknesses of men. So yes, they are equal.

It's not confusing at all..

Brendog

boys have a penis

girls have a vagina

inforfun

Anthony Walsh wrote: »

They aren't equal women have their own insurance companies, if men did it would be sexist. Women have their own gyms if men did it would be sexist.

I think gay is the word you are looking for.

Insect Overlord

Brendog wrote: »

boys have a penis

girls have a vagina

Just one of each, shared by everybody...

liah

liah wrote: »

No. They're not. But they also are.

Men and women have very different overall strengths and weaknesses. Some men and some women can be exceptions, but most fall under a general guideline. We use our brains differently, our bodies are built differently, the way we communicate is quite different. It's just how it is, regardless of how many people want to think it's not. So no, they're not equal.

That said, they're equal in the sense that these strengths and weaknesses on both sides tend to balance each other out. The strengths of men compensate for the weaknesses of women, and the strengths of women compensate for the weaknesses of men. So yes, they are equal.

It's not confusing at all..

This hullabaloo of a post just proved my point..

Wazdakka

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Just one of each, shared by everybody...

Must... Resist.... Yore Ma joke....

biko

They're not equal on many levels but should have same rights and obligations.
* Equal pay for the same work
* Equal parental rights
* ...

I think many guys are jealous because they feel that women's rights infringe on their own somehow.
Most often this is manifested in "their car insurance is lower".

alexa5x5

No, and we never will be. Asking are the sexes equal is like asking are two women equal, or are two men equal? Every one has different life, educational and physical skills.
Its is unfair when a man and woman do the same job where both have the same work experience and education background. Yet the man is paid more. But at the same time women have it better in other ways too like we have lower car insurance, were more trusted certain jobs.
So no where not equal but I think both sexes have been dealt good hands.

Deus Ex Machina

liah wrote: »

No. They're not. But they also are.

Men and women have very different overall strengths and weaknesses. Some men and some women can be exceptions, but most fall under a general guideline. We use our brains differently, our bodies are built differently, the way we communicate is quite different. It's just how it is, regardless of how many people want to think it's not. So no, they're not equal.

That said, they're equal in the sense that these strengths and weaknesses on both sides tend to balance each other out. The strengths of men compensate for the weaknesses of women, and the strengths of women compensate for the weaknesses of men. So yes, they are equal.

It's not confusing at all..

That is the point I am making, I don't think they do balance out, I think that the masculine strengths outweight those of the female.

Naos

With regard to your point on men "having better fun:

I was at a festival in Poland there last week. It was hilarious to run into a portaloo when my mate was in the process of using it. (This in turn happened to me, not as much fun then)

I somehow don't think this would appeal to my girlfriend.

Point: Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

ScumLord

biko wrote: »

* Equal parental rights

That should be brought in under the rights of the child to have access to both it's parents.

Deus Ex Machina

ScumLord wrote: »

Question doesn't really make sense??

They can be equal in the eyes of the law but male and females of every species are fairly specialised. The female body needs to be able to produce offspring which means they can be physically very different from males. Males just needs to show off physical prowess and have little use other than providing good DNA in a lot of species.

How can you not see the sense? It is quite simple, do you think that the collection of attributes of either either gender surpasses that of the other? Your response doesn't answer the question in any way.

ScumLord

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

How can you not see the sense? It is quite simple, do you think that the collection of attributes of either either gender surpasses that of the other? Your response doesn't answer the question in any way.

Depends on the situation and what your trying to achieve, it's like asking is a tractor equal to sports car.

Links234

no, definitely not equal

I probably have a pretty different perspective on sexism to most here, but this is something for you to think about. if a woman wears masculine clothing there's nothing said, it's presumed completely normal. if a man wears feminine clothing, not only is there an enourmous social stigma but it's also considered a clinically diagnosable paraphilia! so it's supposedly perfectly normal for a woman to immitate men but if a man immitates a woman he has a mental disorder? think about that for a while

easyeason3

Links234 wrote: »

no, definitely not equal

I probably have a pretty different perspective on sexism to most here, but this is something for you to think about. if a woman wears masculine clothing there's nothing said, it's presumed completely normal. if a man wears feminine clothing, not only is there an enourmous social stigma but it's also considered a clinically diagnosable paraphilia! so it's supposedly perfectly normal for a woman to immitate men but if a man immitates a woman he has a mental disorder? think about that for a while

She's usually considered a butch lesbo or has 'let herself go'.

And unless a man is wearing a skirt & high heels then he is considered a metro sexual for wearing 'girly' colours. If he is wearing a skirt & high heels then he's a cross dresser.

And no men & women are not equal at all & never will be.

Sea Sharp

Nope, they're not the same. Apples and oranges. That said, neither is superior.

areu4real?

Definite no.
Anyone hear the RSA ad playing on the radio at the moment?
I know it's based on statistics but the slogan is "He drives, she dies"
We like to convince ourselves all's equal, but it ain't and won't be.
Just like racism, ageism, heightism or any other "ism", it only becomes insulting or degrading when someone takes it that way.
If I said "Women can't drive" (it's lies, really) there'd be murder.
A national ad saying that would never get through to air. I don't really care either way, we are what we are, but there is a differnce in a lot of ways. Thats millions of years of evolution for ya!

Mike 1972

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Women get a better deal than men. The sexism that existed back in the day has been well and truly reversed.

Nope

Society still regards certain forms of discrimination against women as acceptable while turning a blind eye to/actively facilitating other forms of discrimination against men

Both are wrong.

NothingMan

My gf can out belch me...

twinytwo

alexa5x5 wrote: »

No, and we never will be. Asking are the sexes equal is like asking are two women equal, or are two men equal? Every one has different life, educational and physical skills.
Its is unfair when a man and woman do the same job where both have the same work experience and education background. Yet the man is paid more. But at the same time women have it better in other ways too like we have lower car insurance, were more trusted certain jobs.
So no where not equal but I think both sexes have been dealt good hands.

strange that.. 95% of women cant drive.. compaired to about 50% of men

smash

alexa5x5 wrote: »

Its is unfair when a man and woman do the same job where both have the same work experience and education background. Yet the man is paid more.

You living in the 50's? This is not the case any more!

fontanalis

As true today as the day it was first broadcast.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Indubitable

Women have it all. Men need more rights.

fontanalis

areu4real? wrote: »

Definite no.
Anyone hear the RSA ad playing on the radio at the moment?
I know it's based on statistics but the slogan is "He drives, she dies"
We like to convince ourselves all's equal, but it ain't and won't be.
Just like racism, ageism, heightism or any other "ism", it only becomes insulting or degrading when someone takes it that way.
If I said "Women can't drive" (it's lies, really) there'd be murder.
A national ad saying that would never get through to air. I don't really care either way, we are what we are, but there is a differnce in a lot of ways. Thats millions of years of evolution for ya!

To be fair I've never seen groups of girls driving like fcuk wits in their souped up novas or piles of sh1te twin cams with No Fear stickers.

Celly Smunt

NothingMan wrote: »

My gf can out belch me...

grow a dick man

Banjo Fella

Men and women are equally human.

</captainobvioustotherescue>

smash

fontanalis wrote: »

To be fair I've never seen groups of girls driving like fcuk wits in their souped up novas or piles of sh1te twin cams with No Fear stickers.

Ever see them applying makeup or texting while driving?

NothingMan

pmcmahon wrote: »

grow a dick man

You haven't heard her. She's knock you out of your seat with 1 god awful burp. Unfortunately she's a lady so won't show off her skills, also she's not inclined to answer in belch form like I am.

Celly Smunt

NothingMan wrote: »

You haven't heard her. She's knock you out of your seat with 1 god awful burp. Unfortunately she's a lady so won't show off her skills, also she's not inclined to answer in belch form like I am.

i wanna see

fontanalis

steve06 wrote: »

Ever see them applying makeup or texting while driving?

Good point, but the No Fear sticker bunch are far worse.