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Arklow International Airport

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭paulm17781


    Sigh....

    I bet this thread runs for pages.

    "To admit Larry, we would need an international airport. Yale could use an international airport."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭pitkan


    First it was to be a ferry and now it`s to be an airport. Still, when you thing of it, other countries are dotted with regional airports so why not Ireland. Ryanair started out from a small airport/airstrip in Waterford. We should welcome this venture and hope it becomes a reality. I know there is now a reasonably good means of getting to Dublin airport which had to be dragged screaming from our national transport provider only after local and private bus companies saw an opening in the market for same,but then it is still a two hour journey. So best of luck to this venture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,921 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    its not as unfeasable as it sounds.

    Ryanair would up sticks tomorrow if they had an alternative to Dublin airport.
    This could be the alternative.
    80km from Arklow to Dublin is near for Ryanair standards.
    i.e. "Frankfurt" Hahn is 125km from Frankfurt. "Munich West" Memmingen is 115 km from Munich

    Of course that would mean Terminal 1 in Dublin probably being then abandoned if Ryanair moved seeing as they will be the only major user of terminal 1 once the new terminal opens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    pitkan wrote: »
    First it was to be a ferry and now it`s to be an airport. Still, when you thing of it, other countries are dotted with regional airports so why not Ireland. Ryanair started out from a small airport/airstrip in Waterford. We should welcome this venture and hope it becomes a reality. I know there is now a reasonably good means of getting to Dublin airport which had to be dragged screaming from our national transport provider only after local and private bus companies saw an opening in the market for same,but then it is still a two hour journey. So best of luck to this venture.

    We already are! They may be small but in the context of a state with 4.3 million people they are regional.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Ah, the new WRC thread. :pac:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭eia340600


    its not as unfeasable as it sounds.

    Ryanair would up sticks tomorrow if they had an alternative to Dublin airport.
    This could be the alternative.
    80km from Arklow to Dublin is near for Ryanair standards.
    i.e. "Frankfurt" Hahn is 125km from Frankfurt. "Munich West" Memmingen is 115 km from Munich

    Of course that would mean Terminal 1 in Dublin probably being then abandoned if Ryanair moved seeing as they will be the only major user of terminal 1 once the new terminal opens.

    Misinformed methinks.Ryanair won't be the only major user of T1.There are many other airlines that will remain ther, including some Aer Lingus flights.

    Ryanair wouldn't move from Dublin.The charges there are very low compared to other airports from which they opererate..

    There is still extra capacity in Dublin Airport.We shouldn't be thinking of wasting money for another one to lie underused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    *token Casement suggestion*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    loyatemu wrote: »
    probably more suited to After Hours this, and I did have to do a double-check on the date. Just goes to show local councillors will weigh in behind any old sh!t however ludicrous and ill-conceived...

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0625/1224273271194.html
    Well fair play to them, they even consider the public transport aspect with the Rosslare to Dublin train in mind, so it probably will be the first Airport that should have easy rail access to any city within this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭John C


    There is a more general thread in Infrastrucure where points about regional airports are made.

    It's title is: Future of Regional Airports after Inter-Urban Motorway Completion

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=65261383&postcount=1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    pitkan wrote: »
    First it was to be a ferry and now it`s to be an airport.
    Why not both and have a Cargo hub to Europe, plus it will be easy access for Fuel depot to the Airport as similar to the Terminal at Shannon Airport. where the soviets used to bring in fuel for their transatlantic flights on the Shannon Stopover.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    WHAT is happening with this. Silence from Leo so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    after hours comment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Scipio76


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    WHAT is happening with this. Silence from Leo so far.

    Nothing because it will never be built.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    Well.... Its back on the agenda it seems ?

    Financed from middle east investors

    Agreement already from land owners on 600 of the 800 acres needed

    Runways starting at roadstone beside Arklow golf club in the image below and reaching the co wexford border to the south

    Approach and take off out over the south beach in Arklow

    https://www.businesspost.ie/news/middle-east-investors-amassing-1000-acres-in-wicklow-to-build-international-airport/

    Includes plans for dual rail track to the Kish and a new train station there near the exit 21 Arklow south M11 exit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭bigroad


    It would be great if it ever happens .

    Unfortunately there have been a few big projects announced for Arklow over the years with politicians getting their faces in the paper but nothing happens .

    The has been announced just after last week plans were put forward for a terminal 3 at Dublin Airport.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I thought this project was announced for Athlone, not Arklow, for a major new city and airport.

    Could it be the 'investors' mis-identified the best place.

    It is not just an April Fools joke taken too seriously by those normally taken in by misinformation and online scams.

    It has taken thirty years to get as far as a decade away for a rail connection to Collins Town Dublin Airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    Its the talk of the local farming area and 10 have signed up,so there is something to it

    T3 at DUB takes crowding out of T1 and T2 but doesnt increase capacity unless night flights are extended

    A green field site is total new capacity

    Be interesting to see where it goes,it does seem to be funded better than the 2010 plan



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    You are right - it is talk.

    Has any money been paid to these farmers in Wicklow who will sell their farms? Was it paid in bit-coin?

    When the money is paid over to the farmers, I might begin to believe it - particularly if Michael O'Leary is behind it.

    Still smells like an April fools joke, or a scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    Non refundable deposits are a minimum requirement in these things but so too are NDA's,so we'll have to see

    I do have their pdf proposal in front of me and you'd be talking 10s of billions

    Heres the front page SBP article,mods please delete it if thats not allowed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 orb123


    Very strange proposal. We already have more airports than we need for the population of this country. Both Wexford Bus and Bus Éireann have hourly buses from Arklow to the airport so it's not exactly like the area is crying out for an airport..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They had an information evening nearby for many landowners also. It is no April fools, and hard to see how they scam landowners given that from their POV it will be a straightforward sale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    I'd imagine the plan is for new incoming capacity that DUB cant handle

    A new terminal at DUB only reduces over crowding,it doesnt increase capacity

    Incoming is also outgoing obviously

    Its also going to poach traffic from DUB if its 40% cheaper



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    No one has mentioned the environmental aspect yet, but the chances of a large new airport getting through the Irish planning process in this day and age are nonexistent. Even with the government's blessing (rather than it being just a speculative private venture), I don't see how it could get planning permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,249 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Given we are all forking it through the nose for carbon taxes, because reduce CO2, you know, this is not allowable in that context from the amount of concrete required, it being the third highest global emmission source of CO2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 orb123


    Ok but besides the artificial cap placed on passenger numbers that the DAA are trying to amend, Dublin Airport has significant scope to increase capacity through infrastructure improvements. The new runway is not even 2 years old.

    I take your point about low-cost but If another airport was ever needed, would Baldonnel not make more sense? It could share it with the AirCorps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Omg what a load of BS. They can't build a hotel in Wicklow without residents groups being up in arms. Good luck with an airport.

    Cork, Shannon, Belfast, Knock, Kerry, Derry/LondonDerry, Donegal?.... Potential to increase capacity at Dublin airport on top of that. Isn't there even an old airport in Waterford?

    This is comical!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    It'll open the same day as that Chinese city in Louth or wherever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The difference is none of those airports are that close to Dublin except Belfast, which is in another jurisdiction.

    A new airport close to Dublin but with it's own airspace and with good transport links to Dublin could compete with Dublin airport for traffic, and therefore bring costs down.

    DAA have a monopoly right now, this plan would challenge that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Is this the same Arklow that's 71 km from Dublin, or is there a closer one that I don't know about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    I recall them wanting to build a city for people from Hong Kong to come and live in near Drogheda too. Utter clowns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,014 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Arklow does have a (very scenic) rail link, albeit single track, it has a decent road north to Dublin and south to the lovely beaches of Wexford, and just inland is prime tourism territory. Like landing in Kerry or Donegal, the visitor touches down in the heart of a magical landscape with trekking, fishing, swimming, right at the doorstep. A good hotel or two built by the airport would get very good footfall. For south Dubliners or Wicklow and Wexford folk flying out of Arklow/Wicklow International Airport would be a very attractive prospect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    Its about 45 mins drive off peak from South Dublin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Good transport links to Dublin?

    You’ve obviously not seen the thread about the Wexford train service…….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    From the nearest junction on M11 to the GPO, right now (Sunday evening, so off peak) comes up as an hour and ten minutes.

    The other problem is geographical. Look at a road and rail map: this part of Wicklow is effectively in a pocket.. it's hard to get to from any other part of the country except Dublin city. From the next nearest city, Waterford, yes it's about 60 km closer than Dublin Airport, but from Limerick, Galway or Cork, DUB is easier to get to.

    If someone wanted to build a new airport 70 km from Dublin, this is not the place for it. For a start, how do we deal with the traffic impacts on N11 Glen if the Downs of building an airport off M11?

    This will never get through planning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    Part of the plan includes paying Irish rail to dual track the line from Greystones down to the new rail station at the Kish on the northwest corner of the site

    That would get a non stop to Bray from ELIA in about 40 minutes and town in about an hour 20 with just that stop

    From the interview Id say they'll be talking to O'Leary if this gets legs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    The last thing Dublin needs is another airport, it just needs proper competition from Belfast, Cork, Shannon and Knock.

    Better to consolidate the two Belfast airports into one proper international airport, plus invest in Cork, Shannon and Knock. There are 7.2 million people in Ireland, only 2.5 million of these live in the Greater Dublin Area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,188 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    This is never, ever going to happen. Zero chance of getting planning permission. Mouthy O'Leary will talk about it as if its a done thing and how he'll do flights for 1c from it etc etc for a decent time after this and any further announcements though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭useless


    That presentation has Comic Sans font. Nothing professional is ever written in Comic Sans.

    For that reason alone it'll never be built :-) Like the OP, I was checking the publication date of the story and wondering how the hell the SBP got conned into putting it on the front page… this one belongs with the Athlone Chinese regeneration and the Dr Quirkeys megacasino in Tipperary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    45min drive to South Dublin is pretty good compared to all other airports out there except Dublin airport itself.

    Dublin airport takes almost 32million pax per year. The vast majority of which are not from this country.

    For tourists coming into Dublin airport, generally their first stop on their trip is Dublin itself. So flying to DUB vs Arklow is much of a muchness.

    The 2nd is transfers/stop overs: location matters not a jot in this case.

    For people living in Dublin, Arklow is not that bad compared to traffic, queues and no doubt prices of Dublin airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    How much will the government & taxpayers be asked to contribute towards a new airport in Arklow, plus additional transport infrastructure?

    Waterford Airport is still waiting for government & local council funds of around €20million towards extending that runway for standard passenger flights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza


    The Billions mentioned to start the Arklow project would be private equity money though,usually thats money ready to flow

    Vs Waterfords pleas for 25 million pushing up against all other competing asks from the public purse

    Big difference

    Lots of hurdles for the project to jump over first of course and anyone of them could fall it

    Its one to watch



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I would think that the whole project will depend on Gov funding which may or not be available. I would say not.

    I think it will not happen - April fool or not - scam or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Any new airport for Dublin at a similar distance to Dublin from Arklow would be built north of Dublin.

    That’s where the population lies and where the highest projected growth will be.

    Not that any new airport will happen in the foreseeable future…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭pureza




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Feets


    Real deatailed image Pureza. I hate the thought of the middle eastern folk laundering their money here in constructiin...they literally buy their way around the world.

    Could it feasibly be done though? Looking at the image of the potential cpo'd land it cuts off all access from arklow to clogga to kilmurray and access around these areas....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,715 ✭✭✭blackbox


    The railway line would cost more than the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    For the billions these investors could pay the 20 million to extend Waterfords runway, and the rest on a 150kph dualling/electrification of the Waterford to Kildare line and you'd get to Dublin by Train in less time than from this Arklow idea



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