Arklow International Airport

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991382#Comment_121991382

Its 800 that they need and they have a promise on 600 according to that SBP article

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991665#Comment_121991665

You and every other Ford Escort for 30kms.

"Did NATO donate the dough me boys…?!"

riddlinrussell

A spur off the line west of Belview, bridge over the river and across a field or two doesn't exactly sound like an impossible task.

artanevilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121990419#Comment_121990419

There's billions of dollars of private equity money sitting out there waiting (needing) to be invested. The problem is there just isn't enough good investments to go round, so money disappears into crap like this.

riddlinrussell

Anything really "worth investing" in infrastructure wise is going to most likely have the following qualities:

• Make the average persons life easier
• Return on investment will be mostly through intangibles and broader economic growth as a result.
• Isn't going to be "flashy"

As such it's supremely unlikely we will get billionaires champing at the bit to pay for dualling and electrification of the whole Irish railway network, though it would be an excellent investment in terms of the societal benefits.

But a white elephant airport is a far flashier option.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992173#Comment_121992173

They aren't looking to invest in infrastructure at all. They couldn't care less.

They are looking to invest in an asset, which just so happens to be a type of infrastructure (airport). Comparisons to rail and other infra is apples to oranges, because those are not investments that generate a return to an investment fund (unless we start privatising railways - which is a bad idea)

pureza

The Sunday Business Post journo who broke this story was on Declan Meehans morning show on East coast FM and was very positive about it

Dunmoreroader

Pigs will fly before this project does, or any planes from it. We can't even get a scabby €10-€20M from the current government to part-finance a runway extension to land jets with planning permission already at Waterford Airport with commitments in place from private investors(Comer Bros.), and 3 local authorities(Waterford, Kilkenny & Wexford), for an airport that's 1 hour 35minutes from Co. Dublin i.e. about the same travel time as Hahn Airport is from Frankfurt.

We're also familiar in Waterford with pipe-dreams from Arab investors - read all about Saudi company Al Hokair Group and the Waterford North Quays project, happily resuscitated by WCCC, BAM and, supposedly, Harcourt Developments.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993235#Comment_121993235

The government not financing Waterford airport runway extension is a political decision, not financial.

They do not want the runway extended

Dunmoreroader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993300#Comment_121993300

Why don't they want the runway extended?

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987105#Comment_121987105

they're hardly planning on landing from the sea and taking off back out over the sea. Do they fly that pattern anywhere else. Seems extremely risky practice and having incoming and outgoing flights flying opposite directions.

road_high

surely this would kill Waterford airport stone dead. I know it’s much further from Dublin but has anyone suggested to these investors to look at Waterford airport instead as it’s already there would just need a longer runway and upgraded infrastructure but not a whole new area of countryside to be buried in concrete

listermint

Reads like a story a journo dug out to get the hits and airtime...

This yolk ever getting anywhere is laughable.

I'd also be skeptical as to the nature of the land acquisition smoke and mirrors is there another purpose for the land. Minerals or otherwise...

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993416#Comment_121993416

Yes,NCE for one

sparrowcar

Can't wait to see the amount of appeals lodged by Gorey and Arklow residents about the noise/smell of aviation fuel/the bees/poor health/kids schools teacher can't be heard/I didn't know there was an airport nearby when I bought…..

It will never get approval period!

The below bit really made me laugh, lots of assumptions. What new motorway?

"My understanding is that there's a brand new motorway being connected from the N4 that will connect to the N11.

"That will hopefully link in with one road running from Belfast all the way to Rosslare".

He said he believes the new airport plan could "solve all the problems in Dublin".

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993537#Comment_121993537

Never flown into Nice but just looking it has two runways and from just watching flight radar, the planes are landing and taking off in the same heading, northeast direction.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993739#Comment_121993739

A new motorway linking Arklow to Carlow and the midlands wouldn't be a bad bet to be fair, buts thats a different thread and will never happen in my lifetime if ever.

KrisW1001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993765#Comment_121993765

A relief map would show why it would cost a fortune. Plus, almost nobody lives along the way. A relief map will show why this is.

I'm tired of these "blue sky" development projects where the mega-brain developers clearly haven't even bothered to check where the mountains are, or where people live before they start cut-and-pasting google maps screengrabs into their slide decks.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993945#Comment_121993945

You think that, but we'd often have delivery drivers in looking for best option as there's no decent road to get from east to west Wicklow.

The options on good road are either back up Dublin and around m50 and down m7, down to Enniscorthy and back aross n80 or cross ccountry on bad roads through Tinahealy Hacketstown.

So yeah, it would cost a fortune and will probably never happen, but it is definitely a missing link for infrastructure.

Dunmoreroader

Possibly because there's a great big mountain range running through the county top to bottom, no?

SuperBowserWorld

Arklow International Airport has been delayed until the Borris-in-Ossory Maglev train station is completed.

mountain

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2019/11/16/welcome-to-the-1-billion-abandoned-ghost-airportthat-just-received-its-first-flight-after-nine-years/?sh=58de18df7ebc

this should be a warning

sparrowcar

Again for another thread but the great dublin orbital route (M100) would have been a great addition to the roads network.

Larbre34

How did this nonsense even become a half-baked story?

pureza

150 miles from the capital ?

So basically Waterford airport 🤣🤣

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121994305#Comment_121994305

KrisW1001

Waterford Airport is a mere 112 miles (179 km) from Dublin.

150 miles (240 km) would be like putting a Dublin airport in Watergrasshill, Co. Cork. Which just shows that Ireland isn't big enough for you to get that far from one city without being on top of another one. Spain, on the other hand, is.

The problem with Ciudad Real Airport wasn't just that it was 240 km from Madrid, but that it was also at least 200 km from any other major city, and over 300 km from the coast.

On the other hand, if you scale those Spanish distances back to the size of Ireland, Arklow is actually more isolated.

whisky_galore

Crayons on a map nonsense. Must be a slow news day.

Dunmoreroader

Aeh? 100 miles.

gossamerfabric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/66587276#Comment_66587276

Although it is my airport of preference I would not use Hahn as a successful example of enterprising investors serving a demand for connectivity. Hahn is in the middle of nowhere.

I would use Bergamo. Milan already has Linate and Malpensa but an astounding 16 million passengers use Bergamo to access Milan and its highly populated hinterland. There are a number of coach services running in competition to each other and all appear to be surviving. They bus those using the airport in to the central bus station in Milan departing every few minutes and despite the distance don't take much more time than it takes to get to Dublin City from the Airport.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996360#Comment_121996360

Twice as long would meet my idea of "much more time" - the Bergamo bus takes 50 minutes to get to Centrale; Dublin Express takes 25 to Aston Quay. DX/Aircoach are slightly cheaper than the Bergamo operators also.