Saorview Content Speculation

AHireland2k11

rte coz they ave no gud sport no premier league live or notin

Elmo

AHireland2k11 wrote: »

rte coz they ave no gud sport no premier league live or notin

RTÉ would not be let buy another company, let alone a company that also has losses.

RTÉ might buy the Live premiership rights, I don't think Irish rights have been announced.

As for no good sport, they are in the middle one of their busiest sporting summers.

The Cush

glimmerman123 wrote: »

I sent an email to the Department of communications asking when we can expect an announcement from the Minister for Communications about consent for the proposed new channels for SAORVIEW and this is the reply i got back.

The Minister is very keen to see new channels being made available on SAORVIEW as soon as possible and has given the go ahead to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) to progress, to ensure that the successful applicants have been informed and continue to be interested. Following this any new Irish broadcast channels will need the correct authorisations in the form of a broadcast contract from BAI or in the form of Consent from the Minister for new TG4 or RTE content.


Best Regards

Susan Fleming

Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
29-31 Adelaide Road,
Dublin 2.

I suppose there is nothing there that we already didn't know.

It's new information, the last information we had on the situation with the new channels was from a Dáil reply last March - http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/27/00273.asp#N2. Slow progress but progress nonetheless.

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

It's new information, the last information we had on the situation with the new channels was from a Dáil reply last March - http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/27/00273.asp#N2. Slow progress but progress nonetheless.

And it shows that they have no real interest in the project.

The Department and the BAI are passing the book every chance they get.

So slow that any new broadcaster that gets of the ground will soon be off the air.

They did not view either the Film channel or the Oireachtas channel as part of the promotion of DTT and that any other channels that might have been given the chance to appear over the last year might be consider some what of a plus to DSO/ASO.

Instead they insisted on wasting money on a 2nd campaign so that they could have a platform neutral campaign.

Timeline

July 2008 - Boxer win Pay DTT Licence (4 years ago)
Apr 2009 - Boxer ends (3 and a half years ago)
May 2009 - BCI pass book over to One Vision (3 years ago)
Apr 2010 - After what can only be described as the One Vision Consortium's pet project to make their failing companies look good (particularly Eircom, Setanta and TV3) They pull out.
May 2010 - Easy TV say no thank you. Taking 2 years for anyone to do anything, knowing that something had to be done, Saorview launches as a "Trial".
Feb 2011 - Pat Carey gives go ahead for RTÉ proposals (minus RTÉ Plus and Advertising on News Now) and Mux 2. He also sign SI telling the BAI to look for interested new TV / RADIO services.
Aug 2011 - The BAI report back to the new Minister Rabbitte, and the dept sit on this report only to send it back to the BAI.

A year on and you'd question what they are doing.

In between all of this the Department look for a consortium to carry out a campaign for DSO. Why? and is anyone happy with the Going Digital Campaign run by the Dept, but they will announce results that show how important it is and will re-tweet articles that are purely copy and paste from their press release with no questions as to what the hell is going on.

Ends rant.

Sam Russell

They are waiting for the launch of Saorview on the 24th of October.

10 am if you are not doing anything.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

They are waiting for the launch of Saorview on the 24th of October.

10 am if you are not doing anything.

Ah and then it all appear! :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

AHireland2k11 wrote: »

rte coz they ave no gud sport no premier league live or notin

Do you have any idea how much those matches cost ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/13/premier-league-tv-rights-3-billion-sky-bt

Premiership rights in the UK are One Billion Pounds A Year for BT and SKY. That work's out at £40 (€50) for every TV license in the UK (25 million licenses)

And does not including the fees paid by the BBC or Setanta or Eurosport etc.

Capt'n Midnight

Elmo wrote: »

And it shows that they have no real interest in the project.

The Department and the BAI are passing the book every chance they get.

http://www.bai.ie/?page_id=82

The Authority now considers that it will not be feasible to introduce commercial DTT as originally intended until after Analogue Switch Off (ASO) at the earliest. The position will be reviewed towards the end of 2011 and the Authority may seek expressions of interest in the provision of commercial DTT at that point. A competition could potentially be held during 2012 with a view to commercial DTT being operational in 2013.

LOL
7 years ago I was asking about topuptv https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2453226

https://secure.topuptv.com/php/display/topuptv/chooseService.php topuptv could perhaps offer UK terresterial channels as part of the basic service - in the same way SKY and UPC do. All it means is getting the UK stations on board and encrypting the feeds.

Apart from the politics and pricing what issues are there ?


Pricing would be interesting, since it's either got to be competitive with the one off costs of FTA or you are limiting your market to people with UPC who can get good TV reception and don't want broadband and don't want anything more than the basic channels - which probably means they won't pay too much for terresterial either. ( Sky customers are likely to have the option of an aerial , unless they live in an apartment piped for SKY in which case good reception isn't a given )


I really can't see anyone other than topuptv + UK terresterial channels setting up in the irish pay-TV market. OnDigital died a death in the UK , BSB as was died too. Don't forget that SKY and UPC have been here for ages so unless the price is very good it's a case of the devil you know.
As for content I can't see any new quality channels that people will pay for being provided at a lower price than SKY/UPC.

Perhaps UTV might - they used to get something like 30% of their advertising revenue from down here. But then again UTV already have 100% coverage because unlike TV3 they are on FTA satellite.

Elmo

@Capt'n Midnight I am not talking about the Commercial Muxes, but the public service ones and as discussed before the BAI are in fantasy land about Pay TV services on Commerical DTT.

Pay TV must be a soft pay service consisting of mainly premium channels, however having spent a week with sky I can say that Pay TV is possibly going to shoot itself in the foot.

OTT in relation to PAY TV channels regulators must regulate. They must choose what is considered basic pay (12 mins of ads), mid pay (6mins of ads) and premium channels (no ads). If pay TV doesn't do this then their going to kill themselves off. IMO

UTV radio might get 30% advertising from ROI but TV wise UTV only has 2% to 3% of the audience.

glimmerman123

Here is an interesting article from the CCE website about ASO switch off and the current situation regarding new channels launching on Saorview. http://cce.gno.ie/news/2012/08Aug/16asodso.php

STB

glimmerman123 wrote: »

Here is an interesting article from the CCE website about ASO switch off and the current situation regarding new channels launching on Saorview. http://cce.gno.ie/news/2012/08Aug/16asodso.php

What was the point of the article ? Is it whinging for space for community television or something ?

glimmerman123

I for one was wondering what was the current situation regarding the BAI and content providers and according to the article the BAI have not yet been in contact with any of the expressions of interest to see if they still plan to launch on Saorview. This doesn't surprise me that nothing seems to be happening and everyone keeps passing the buck.

Sam Russell

There is no current situation. Saorview was launched inMay 2011.

OTV launched on UPC. TG4 is due to launch on UPC. No Irish Film channel.

All Saorview got was RTE 1+1.

I think that is about the sum of it.:mad:

Strawberry HillBilly

Article in Sunday Independent to titled "Rabbitte gives OK to Irish Movie Channel" by Nick Webb states that Pat Robbitte has approved IFC,OTV,2 new TV3 and 1 new TG4 channels.

BAI have been instructed to contact relevant parties "to make progress in regard to licensing".

ftakeith

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

Article in Sunday Independent to titled "Rabbitte gives OK to Irish Movie Channel" by Nick Webb states that Pat Robbitte has approved IFC,OTV,2 new TV3 and 1 new TG4 channels.

BAI have been instructed to contact relevant parties "to make progress in regard to licensing".

link

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/rabbitte-gives-ok-to-irish-movie-channel-3230114.html

freesat and saorview would suit the majority of the irish tv viewing public

Elmo

Only TG4+1/Cula4 are off the table :rolleyes: and OTV and the IFB channels are already given clearance through the Broadcasting Act 2009. Suppose we should be greatful that he gave go ahead.

Also the report is bull**** as according to the BAI they haven't been in a position to contact the EoIs as they are waiting on the minister. Strange.

Note docs are from June.

Also why write to RTÉ's DG on this, he has nothing to do with it. CEO of the BAI needs that letter/email.

The Cush

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

Article in Sunday Independent to titled "Rabbitte gives OK to Irish Movie Channel" by Nick Webb states that Pat Robbitte has approved IFC,OTV,2 new TV3 and 1 new TG4 channels.

We might not be seeing any new channels from TV3 on Saorview until the issue of the DTT tariff is sorted out to the satisfaction of TV3 according to an article in today's Sunday Business Post - TV3 sounds warning over Saorview's fees.

Basically the article says that the "excessive fees" Saorview charges will limit the numbers of services that TV3 could run.

In a submission to the Dept they stated they're willing to pay "properly set tariffs" with an interim tariff set at zero.

They also say in the submission that if the fee was too high it would limit the number of services it could launch and could even force them to remove 3e from Saorview.

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

We might not be seeing any new channels from TV3 on Saorview until the issue of the DTT tariff is sorted out to the satisfaction of TV3 according to an article in today's Sunday Business Post - TV3 sounds warning over Saorview's fees.

Basically the article says that the "excessive fees" Saorview charges will limit the numbers of services that TV3 could run.

In a submission to the Dept they stated they're willing to pay "properly set tariffs" with an interim tariff set at zero.

They also say in the submission that if the fee was too high it would limit the number of services it could launch and could even force them to remove 3e from Saorview.

Even though it is cheaper for them to have 2 stations broadcast to 98% of the population than it is to broadcast 1 station to 85% of the nation.

Simple fix, take off TV3 and replace them with UTV. Problem solved. I'm so sick of their whinging.

Lucious Sweet

Karsini wrote: »

Simple fix, take off TV3 and replace them with UTV. Problem solved. I'm so sick of their whinging.

Hmm, reminds me of the time I spent 20 minutes scraping doggy doop of my white trainers only to walk around the corner and step on more doggy doop.

moz

moz wrote: »

Hmm, reminds me of the time I spent 20 minutes scraping doggy doop of my white trainers only to walk around the corner and step on more doggy doop.

That may be the case but they're a broadcaster who want to tap the market down south but can't do so because of TV3. You can forget about the BBC, full stop.

Sam Russell

Why is it always the Sunday Business Post that prints stories about TV3 being unhappy with RTE BAI RTNL The advertisers the cost of everything.

STB

The Cush wrote: »

We might not be seeing any new channels from TV3 on Saorview until the issue of the DTT tariff is sorted out to the satisfaction of TV3 according to an article in today's Sunday Business Post - TV3 sounds warning over Saorview's fees.

Basically the article says that the "excessive fees" Saorview charges will limit the numbers of services that TV3 could run.

In a submission to the Dept they stated they're willing to pay "properly set tariffs" with an interim tariff set at zero.

They also say in the submission that if the fee was too high it would limit the number of services it could launch and could even force them to remove 3e from Saorview.

And when will Tv3's debts to the Irish state be sorted to the satisfaction of the Irish taxpayer who are propping up this commercial station with a interest free loan of €81 million (of the €150m it owes to Ireland) currently parked with the IBRC since February 2012 ? This is despite the fact that Tv3 is owned by a very profitable private equity company.

Quite surprising that Post could not remind the readers that the IBRC's loss making position is in no way helped by whinging commercial operators like Tv3 who expect the tax payer to end up picking up their bills, be it transmission fees or interest free loans for their commercial ventures.

Its is not the responsibility of the tax payer to fund private commercial companies. It is not in their interest to limit their services, so that wont wash with the BAI. They should hand the licence back it they are not commercially viable. I would be interested to see exactly what type of licence TV3 actually have.

The Cush

STB wrote: »

Its is not the responsibility of the tax payer to fund private commercial companies. They should hand the licence back it they are not commercially viable.

I agree.

formerly scottish paddy

I wonder how much they have to pay SKY for carriage?
Kick them off Saorview and let them build and run their own DTT network!!
If RTE did not have to borrow €70m to build and equip a DTT network then they could have built a new HD studio http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056361587

Sam Russell

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

I wonder how much they have to pay SKY for carriage?
Kick them off Saorview and let them build and run their own DTT network!!
If RTE did not have to borrow €70m to build and equip a DTT network then they could have built a new HD studio http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056361587

If TV3 had to pay interest on the €81m, then maybe they could not afford to build a new HD studio in Ballymount.:mad:

marclt

Sam Russell wrote: »

If TV3 had to pay interest on the €81m, then maybe they could not afford to build a new HD studio in Ballymount.:mad:

Jeez, the prospect of IrelandAM in HD has me already dreading breakfast...

glimmerman123

This from cce.gno.ie website.

RTÉ NL are to operate 3 Digital TV Multiplexes (MUXS). Saorview is made up of just 1 MUX. On occasion RTÉ NL test a second MUX.

The Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) have decided to designated MUX2 to the established set of broadcasters, The Oireachtas and the Irish Film Board. Many of the stations remain "suggested" channels rather then actual ones.

The BAI told CCÉ News that should these proposed channel appear on MUX2 "Carriage of other proposals from the Expression of Interest would most likely necessitate the introduction of a third multiplex."

Possible New Channels/Services
Channel Name Provider Content Launch Date Issues
IFB TV Irish Film Board/Bord Scánnán Na hÉireann Irish and European Cinema.
(TBA)

Over the last 5 years the Irish Film Board (IFB) have hinted at a TV channel to air Irish Film, however such plans have continually been pushed back. The Broadcasting Act 2009 makes provisions for the channel. The IFB refuse to make any comment on the IFB Channel.

Oireachtas TV The Houses of the Oireachtas Live Broadcasts of the Oireachtas (Dail, Seanad and Committee Rooms)
Available on UPC, Full Launch (TBA)

The Houses of the Oireachtas are currently employing more consultants to advise on such a service on Soarview. The channel currently airs on UPC and is available online.

TG4 have decided against a timeshift service and are looking towards On-Demand Catch Up Services.

Cúla4 a Children's Service from TG4.
This was part of TG4 suggested channels but has been scrapped along with TG4+1.

TG4 in High Definition Trialing on UPC, full launch date unknown.The Minister is required to ask his department and the BAI to carry out a number of public consultations before this channel is officially launched.

TV3+1 TV3 Timeshife Service of TV3 (TBA).TV3 have stated that they would like to provide 4 new services TV3HD, TV3+1, 3CLASSICS AND 3KIDS. However the economy has a role to play on such channels, particularly when TV3's loan from the IRBC has been re-negotiation to allow the channel survive into the future.

3Kids TV3 A Children's Service for the over 6s (TBA)
3Classics TV3 A Documentry Service from TV3 (TBA)
TV3HD TV3 TV3 in High Definition (TBA)

RTÉ ONE HD RTÉ ONE in High Definition (TBA) The BAI also stated that RTÉ ONE HD would form part of the channel line up on MUX 1 AND 2 in the future. RTÉ have yet to even suggest RTÉ ONE HD service for RTÉ ONE, and like TV3 RTÉ are in very precarious financial waters making RTÉ ONE HD unlikely in the near future. It would also need to be approved by the Minister through Public consultation.


According to RTÉ if a third MUX was needed MUX 3 would take six months to go live, but such a decision would be taken by ComReg not the BAI. At which point the BAI would approached other interested broadcasters.

I think there might be one or two bits of info in there to pick out. Looks like TG4 have scrapped their proposed channels and not a mention of RTE ONE HD.

watty

The only likely extra channel is Oireachtas TV
TG4 and TV3 will eventually be HD, but not simulcast. Maybe 2013 sometime.
Eventually RTE1 will be HD, could be a few years or not till another couple channels is also launching so as to justify a 3rd Mux

The Cush

glimmerman123 wrote: »

I think there might be one or two bits of info in there to pick out. Looks like TG4 have scrapped their proposed channels and not a mention of RTE ONE HD.

Until such time as the Mux Tariff issue is sorted all channels on that list will remain as proposed. I'd guess RTÉ1 HD will appear once Mux 2 launches but that'll depend on sufficient channels being available.