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People from Northern Ireland are not British!

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    #92
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Eh, no we're not.

    yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:


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    #93
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    karma_ wrote: »
    She is infact Gibraltarian.
    her british passport says born in gibraltar,my british passport says born in sale,both are place names, gibraltar has its elected MPs in the UK parliment,so has sale and its EU MPs in england , all people from gibraltar have british passports but do not need them when coming to the UK,like scotland wales and northern ireland


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    #94
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.

    no as british.


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    #95
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    getz wrote: »
    her british passport says born in gibraltar,my british passport says born in sale,both are place names, gibraltar has its elected MPs in the UK parliment,so has sale and its EU MPs in england , all people from gibraltar have british passports but do not need them when coming to the UK,like scotland wales and northern ireland

    I'm not saying she's not British, I'm just clarifying what her nationality is.


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    #96
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    no as british.

    I'm assuming there's a section on the application form where you say what your choice is.


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    #97
    LordSutch
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Since when did we give a fiddler's about what Pat Kenny thinks? Is Camelot really that stuck for material that he's now quoting Pat Kenny?

    You have a point alright, but if you listen to the segment (1 min) it does hit you between the eyes, specially with DUP/UUP supporters being sooo British, and yet Mr Kenny pontificates live on air that they certainly are not.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    People from the north are Irish by geography, and Irish or British by nationality - depending on what they as an individual choose. Beyond that - who gives a shít?

    I agree, but sometimes when you hear a very prominent broadcaster making a 'categoricle statement' you prick up your ears!


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    #98
    old hippy
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    owenc wrote: »
    yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

    Possibly 'cos the 2 continents don't have a bitter historical relationship?


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    #99
    gurramok
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    owenc wrote: »
    yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

    People don't live in the Indian Ocean, only the mermaids do :D


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    #100
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

    I think it's the christian part he's talking about.


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    #101
    Rebelheart
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    karma_ wrote: »
    You would of course qualify for a British passport. I have both. Off teh top of my head I would think it does list your nationality as Irish, I would need to check to confirm though.
    karma_ wrote: »
    Avoiding visa issues when travelling to & from the US is why I had 2.

    devlin69.jpg


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    #102
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    getz wrote: »
    her british passport says born in gibraltar,my british passport says born in sale,both are place names, gibraltar has its elected MPs in the UK parliment,so has sale and its EU MPs in england , all people from gibraltar have british passports but do not need them when coming to the UK,like scotland wales and northern ireland

    No, Gibraltar does not have any representation in the UK parliament.


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    #103
    wonton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    names can be so confusing, like what if an american indian moved to new delhi, than he'd be a indian-american indian.


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    #104
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    devlin69.jpg

    Well, I'm honestly not that patriotic.


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    #105
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Camelot wrote: »
    I agree, but sometimes when you hear a very prominent broadcaster making a 'categoricle statement' you prick up your ears!

    Right - We're in agreement. Pat Kenny makes very pratty statements.


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    #106
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    owenc wrote: »
    yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

    Eh, I don't actually give a fiddlers about the use of the British Isles comment. I was referring to the "we're all christians". I'm not a Christian.

    Also, I don't remember Africans being called a "Indian Ocean people".


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    #107
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Right - We're in agreement. Pat Kenny makes very pratty statements.

    I agree with dlofnep on this.
    People from N. Ireland are Irish as they were born on the Island of Ireland.
    If they associate themselves with British culture that’s their personal choice

    Ian Paisley once said

    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."


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    #108
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    More people identify themselves as Irish than British in Northern Ireland according to a new poll in Monday's Belfast Telegraph. Over 1,000 people were interviewed for the survey. A total of 42% of those surveyed told the pollsters they were Irish while 39% identified themselves as British. 18% saw themselves as Northern Irish.

    There Pat Kenny, up your hole! "Let the people sing" as the old ballad goes.


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    #109
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Whatever you all think you are going to keep saying people are Irish and it's going to end up in a row! Why do people in ni never do this but people down south do??


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    #110
    dlofnep
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN18lJ_uE7Q


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    #111
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    owenc wrote: »
    Whatever you all think you are going to keep saying people are Irish and it's going to end up in a row! Why do people in ni never do this but people down south do??

    Thats a fair point

    People from the North dont have the same hang up about where they are born

    Only IMO


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    #112
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Winty wrote: »
    Thats a fair point

    People from the North dont have the same hang up about where they are born

    Only IMO
    I only ask as this never happens here and everytime someone says their British they have a canary!


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    #113
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    karma_ wrote: »
    I'm not saying she's not British, I'm just clarifying what her nationality is.
    sure just as my nationality is mamucium,[latin for my place of birth]


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    #114
    sceptre
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    Assorted rubbish deleted from the tail end of this thread. Kindly remember the name of the forum in which you're posting when considering relevance. You should all know better. This thread looks like having a limited remaining life.

    /mod


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    #115
    ardmacha
    Registered Users Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Irish people are intrinsically Irish wherever in Ireland they come from. Some may associate themselves with other countries because of family connections or because they like Opera. Some other country may pass a law stating that we are Russian or Chinese and provide passports that say that, but they are just bits of paper. Irish people remain intrinsically Irish, notwithstanding.


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    #116
    Gaelic32
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    ardmacha wrote: »
    Irish people are intrinsically Irish wherever in Ireland they come from. Some may associate themselves with other countries because of family connections or because they like Opera. Some other country may pass a law stating that we are Russian or Chinese and provide passports that say that, but they are just bits of paper. Irish people remain intrinsically Irish, notwithstanding.


    Good point!


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    #117
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    ardmacha wrote: »
    Irish people are intrinsically Irish wherever in Ireland they come from. Some may associate themselves with other countries because of family connections or because they like Opera. Some other country may pass a law stating that we are Russian or Chinese and provide passports that say that, but they are just bits of paper. Irish people remain intrinsically Irish, notwithstanding.

    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:


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    #118
    dlofnep
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    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:

    Who's this "we"? You can only speak for yourself. Not anyone else. If you choose to be British, then you are British. If someone else chooses to be Irish, then they are Irish. I'm not sure what the problem is.

    You might take a leaf out of Ian Paisley's book when he said: "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman".


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    #119
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:

    Therein lies the problem, whether you like it or not you are Irish or if you prefer Northern Irish. This does not preclude you however from identifying yourself as British as you wish.


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    #120
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:
    did all the people of ireland consider themself british pre 1920 ?


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    #121
    Exile 1798
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    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:

    Is there any other people apart from a certain backward segment of Northern Unionists who insist that they are nothing but British?

    Are there any English, Welsh or Scottish people who loudly insist that they are British and British alone? Obviously not.

    The "British only" school of Unionism is clearly an ill-conceived reaction to Irish Nationalism. Ironic that in the end it Irish Nationalism that is allowed to shape the identity of those who so loudly protest that it should be them and them alone that define themselves.


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