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Landis admits doping, points finger at LA - Please read Mod Warning post 1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭SACH Central




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    Lancie boy now reminds me of this guy:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K4ncs0BvIRA/SQsC0s4BrAI/AAAAAAAAB7c/vmk328AEm9E/s400/evil-superman-1.jpg

    Daddy - why is superman bad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭MadHatter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    MadHatter wrote: »

    In case you don't know, Burt Friggin' Hoovis is the proprietor of this blog which wins through use of the holy triumvirate of successful internet use: niche content (here cycling), actionable libel and soft-pron. He's usually spot on in his Lance analysis.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    MadHatter wrote: »

    Laugh? I nearly shat. Brilliant. Talk about hoisted on your own petard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭bbosco


    ROK ON wrote: »
    I wonder who the three ex team mates are?
    Landis, Andreu (and maybe Emma Walsh?) or are there others that have come forward?

    Very likely Stephen Swart as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ROK ON wrote: »
    I wonder who the three ex team mates are?
    Landis, Andreu (and maybe Emma Walsh?) or are there others that have come forward?

    Two of them are riding the tour right now.
    At least two of the people Landis implicated said they had met with investigators to tell of their past involvement with doping. They did not provide details of those meetings, but both said they were honest in responding to the investigators’ questions. Those men, long followers of cycling’s code of silence that kept doping a secret, did not want their names published for fear of retribution during racing at the Tour.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/cycling/29cycling.html?_r=1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    Two of them are riding the tour right now.

    Fingers crossed it's Hincapie and Leipheimer -that'd be a turn up for the books!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/grand-jury-subpoenas-issued-in-landis-investigation

    Grand jury subpoenas supposedly send out.
    Hincapie and Hamilton look to be the 2 most mentioned.
    Beginning to look like the truth (whatever it is :rolleyes:) will come out.
    The US justice system with its special prosecutors tend to see things through to the bitter end.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    RobFowl wrote: »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/grand-jury-subpoenas-issued-in-landis-investigation

    Grand jury subpoenas supposedly send out.
    Hincapie and Hamilton look to be the 2 most mentioned.
    Beginning to look like the truth (whatever it is :rolleyes:) will come out.
    The US justice system with its special prosecutors tend to see things through to the bitter end.....

    Rob you mentioned the word "bitter" - can we read into that this guy is involved:

    http://www.keithlemon.co.uk/tour.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Rob you mentioned the word "bitter" - can we read into that this guy is involved:

    http://www.keithlemon.co.uk/tour.jpg

    Groan ;)
    3439549965_04fa01e6c3.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Rob you mentioned the word "bitter" - can we read into that this guy is involved:

    http://www.keithlemon.co.uk/tour.jpg

    Seriously (;)) the special investigator id Jeff Novizky. He lead the BALCO investigations and was instrumental in getting Marion Jones jailed (she lied under oath to his investigation)
    It'll be interesting to say the least to see how LA gets on when he eventually has to give evidence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Novitzky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    Scientists have discovered a minute quantity of truth serum in the carbon strands of BMC bikes that over the course of a season with teams such as Phonak or BMC, will work its way up the groin and into the bloodsteam - hence GH, TH and FL all fessing up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,753 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Scientists have discovered a minute quantity of truth serum in the carbon strands of BMC bikes that over the course of a season with teams such as Phonak or BMC, will work its way up the groin and into the bloodsteam - hence GH, TH and FL all fessing up.

    damn swiss bikes :D

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    damn swiss bikes :D

    Surely they'd be built with a 'plausible deniability' serum in them -whereby anyone riding automatically has their blood values masked due to neutrality... sorta like all the Nazi Gold...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Whatever the outcome of all this Landis business its one hell of a story.....

    This is brilliant.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-labels-landis-a-nuisance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    Whatever the outcome of all this Landis business its one hell of a story.....

    This is brilliant.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vebruggen-labels-landis-a-nuisance

    404? page not found!?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    What's all this stuff today about whether LA did or did not own a stake in Tailwind? If there's one thing I'd expect from the LA machine it would be to get its story straight and not to start contradicting previous sworn statements. This is going to gather momentum.
    404? page not found!?

    Worked for me a few minutes ago, now it's gone.

    Powerful people at work.

    Nothing new in it though, just some more stuff about HV sending nasty emails to Landis.

    If I disappear, avenge me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    I am getting worried about this one. I can see a colossal UCI supported fudge coming down the line.

    No recent comments from LA and camp have denied doping. They have focused on (1) it was a long time ago, (2) that they worked for TW as opposed to USPS.
    I think they will own up to doping but say that it was institutionalised within the sport - part of what you did in the past.

    On twitter recently (SSBike IIRC) quoted McQuaid as having said that even if LA hoped that he was still a phenomenal athlete.

    This is becoming a stichup to avoid a federal investigation into fraud.
    Maybe I am reading too much into this. But worried about the non denial and it was a long time ago.

    It does raise an interesting point - that is how far back do we investigate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    ROK ON wrote: »
    It does raise an interesting point - that is how far back do we investigate?

    I bought easi singles in 1988 - if these insinuations go back to then i want my money back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    niceonetom wrote: »
    What's all this stuff today about whether LA did or did not own a stake in Tailwind? If there's one thing I'd expect from the LA machine it would be to get its story straight and not to start contradicting previous sworn statements. This is going to gather momentum.

    The investigation is probably being focussed on the trafficking of illegal drugs and mis-use of government (US Postal) money and focussed on the big fish involved, team owners, sponsors, DS's etc...

    So if you assume that something illegal went on, one would want to make oneself seem as small a fry as possible. And clarify that one didn't have financial interest in the management of cycling teams.

    If nothing went on then I don't know what its all about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    The investigation is probably being focussed on the trafficking of illegal drugs and mis-use of government (US Postal) money and focussed on the big fish involved, team owners, sponsors, DS's etc...

    So if you assume that something illegal went on, one would want to make oneself seem as small a fry as possible. And clarify that one didn't have financial interest in the management of cycling teams.

    If nothing went on then I don't know what its all about.

    I think it's damage limitation now, and LA trying to avoid jail time due to perjury or something along those lines -don't forget the main investigator is the guy who got a conviction against Marion Jones. The momentum is certainly gathering, and I suspect there will be a lot of dirt coming out over the next while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    Oh I can definitely see the motivation for LA demoting himself from part team owner to lowly employee, but surely whether he owned TW or not is a matter of public record and not something he can simply say never happened. These feds will go through every financial transaction he's ever had if they feel like it. Saying "Don't blame me, I only work here!" just ain't gonna cut it.

    The second thing that strikes me as a misstep is the "I've done too many good things for too many people," line. Claiming to be above the law rarely plays well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    Cheers for the link tom, I like the:
    Lance Today: "I didn't own the company. I didn't have an equity stake. I didn't have a profit stake. I didn't have a seat on the board. I can't be any clearer than that."
    Lance in 2005:
    Q: Do you have any ownership interest in Tailwind Sports?

    A: A small one.

    Q: When you say a small one, can you give me an approximate percentage as to what that would be, if you know?

    A: Perhaps ten percent.

    I thought the drugs were meant to help you remember things!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    ROK ON wrote: »
    I am getting worried about this one. I can see a colossal UCI supported fudge coming down the line.
    I think they will own up to doping but say that it was institutionalised within the sport - part of what you did in the past.

    On twitter recently (SSBike IIRC) quoted McQuaid as having said that even if LA hoped that he was still a phenomenal athlete.

    This is becoming a stichup to avoid a federal investigation into fraud.
    Maybe I am reading too much into this. But worried about the non denial and it was a long time ago.

    It does raise an interesting point - that is how far back do we investigate?


    How many Tours did Ullrich win now :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    RobFowl wrote: »
    How many Tours did Ullrich win now :rolleyes:

    Soon there will be noone left to give the victories.
    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/346046/tour-de-france-1999-2008.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭on_the_nickel


    niceonetom wrote: »

    The man really does think he's a saint, doesn't he? It's like he's convinced himself, that no matter what, the end justifies the alleged means.


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