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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    SlabMurphy wrote: »
    Bunreacht na hEireann requires every Irishperson to give their first allegiance to the Irish state.

    Can you me to where this is in the constitution? All I know of is Article 9, Paragraph 2:
    Fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State are fundamental political duties of all citizens.

    If that's what you're referring to, it's not as clear cut as you say. There's no legal consensus on that paragraph and quite a few different interpretations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭SlabMurphy


    getz wrote: »
    are you saying no irishman/woman should work and live in britain,because it helps the british state to prosper ?i would not think so, the the old anglo/saxon enemy is now your biggest trading partner and friend,unless you think its the germans
    Doing an honest day's work as a civie in a foreign country is one thing.

    Joining the Brits to go off Afghanistan or Iraq to kill Johnnie Foreigner or to get themselves killed by American pilots or the Taliban is quite another.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭SlabMurphy


    Donny5 wrote: »
    Can you me to where this is in the constitution? All I know of is Article 9, Paragraph 2:
    Fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State are fundamental political duties of all citizens.

    If that's what you're referring to, it's not as clear cut as you say. There's no legal consensus on that paragraph and quite a few different interpretations.
    Well it's obviously clear but I'm not going to try to baby step you through it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    SlabMurphy wrote: »
    Well it's obviously clear but I'm not going to try to baby step you through it.

    Good man. Maybe it's obviously clear to you, but it's not clear to the country's legislators or courts. They are undefined in Irish constitutional law, and the Supreme Court, in McGimpsey v Ireland (1990), only said that:
    Such fidelity and loyalty do not prohibit or restrict disagreement with the content of the Constitution nor with the actions of the government.

    Article 9, Paragraph 6 is not defined or enacted in any legislation, and it does not prohibit citizens from taking oaths or accepting other allegiances. It's certainly not grounds for removal of citizenship.

    Anyway, good luck with your opinions, and don't worry about facts or sourcing your claims. Good Irish men and women don't need such trappings, eh?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    SlabMurphy wrote: »
    Doing an honest day's work as a civie in a foreign country is one thing.

    Joining the Brits to go off Afghanistan or Iraq to kill Johnnie Foreigner or to get themselves killed by American pilots or the Taliban is quite another.

    Well, I highly doubt anyone joins to get killed TBH.
    SlabMurphy wrote: »
    Well it's obviously clear but I'm not going to try to baby step you through it.

    In other words....*sob* shut up, I don't know where it is OK, I just thought it should say it is all. *Sob*

    Does it bother you that people have the choice to join the British army? Does it bother you that some make that choice? Does it in any way affect your life when a young Irish lad joins up and does well in a foreign army rather than staying at home on the dole?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    seconds out.........Round 2!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    SlabMurphy wrote: »
    Bunreacht na hEireann requires every Irishperson to give their first allegiance to the Irish state.

    The same Bunreacht Na hEireann that really doesn't care what it citizens do. Seriously guys do you think they give a toss about you or I. They'd much rather we all emigrate, die or join the British army. Anything that doesn't involve claiming the dole. I'm afraid to even look at how much this Government borrows each week from the World Bank to stay "Afloat"
    Sure didn't Fas get into trouble recently for forcing chaps in Limerick to join the Royal Irish Guards??? Isn't that an offence under the 1954 Government act????


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    The same Bunreacht Na hEireann that really doesn't care what it citizens do. Seriously guys do you think they give a toss about you or I. They'd much rather we all emigrate, die or join the British army. Anything that doesn't involve claiming the dole. I'm afraid to even look at how much this Government borrows each week from the World Bank to stay "Afloat"
    Sure didn't Fas get into trouble recently for forcing chaps in Limerick to join the Royal Irish Guards??? Isn't that an offence under the 1954 Government act????

    Bunreacht na hEireann is the constitution, not the government.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Bunreacht na hEireann is the constitution, not the government.

    Yes I know. The same constitution that every corrupt Government has followed since the foundation of the state. To be honest independance hasn't exactly changed much. Other than our false Celtic Tiger 95-07, this country is always broke. Without British investment/Trade we'd be even worse off, if that's even possible at this stage.:(
    The government wants to line their pockets and the more people that leave the better. I'd guarantee that unemployment is over 500,000 only for high emigration again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    t into trouble recently for forcing chaps in Limerick to join the Royal Irish Guards??? Isn't that an offence under the 1954 Government act????

    While illegal under the 1954 Act, sending a letter outlining a job opportunity is no way the same as rounding people up and shipping them north.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    concussion wrote: »
    While illegal under the 1954 Act, sending a letter outlining a job opportunity is no way the same as rounding people up and shipping them north.

    I see what you're saying but their letters informed them that unless they contacted the listed parties they will lose their jobseekers allowance. You can hardly call that legal!:mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    I don't call it legal. It's an offence under the Defence Act. But in no way were there people being forced to join a foreign military. AFAIK they must contact tha agency, not the employer, besides that, I guarantee no-one would lose benefits for ignoring such letter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    concussion wrote: »
    I guarantee no-one would lose benefits for ignoring such letter.

    I highly doubt that. The social welfare are rutless bas**rds who'll do anything to deny people their benefits.:mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    It would never happen. There was enough uproar about the letter going round without people contacting their TD's over losing benefits.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    concussion wrote: »
    It would never happen. There was enough uproar about the letter going round without people contacting their TD's over losing benefits.

    True I suppose. I wonder the outcome though if this didn't come to light? It just shows that even the Social can't find jobs in Ireland for the unemployed!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    True I suppose. I wonder the outcome though if this didn't come to light? It just shows that even the Social can't find jobs in Ireland for the unemployed!

    Seriously, there are enough forums with people complaining about the government and public service, does this have to be one too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    Hey folks!

    I've spent the past half hour or so reading through this thread. Pretty interesting, some good posts and a lot of dumb ones too.

    I'm in the process of joining the British Army myself. I've been up north, done the BARB test, chose my job preferences and had a little chat with the recruitment officer (who was from Dublin) Right now I just have to post up some medical forms and he'll let me know when I have to go to Britain for the fitness/medical tests.

    About two years ago, I went for the Defence Forces. After a long drawn out process I didn't get it simply because the recruitment freeze rolled into town, so I decided to spend a year in Australia. From previous experience the British Amy are much better to deal with, and faster during the recruitment process - than the Defence Forces.

    I see nothing wrong with joining a foreign army, a few people have abused me for my decision, but at the end of the day - its MY decision.



    PS - If anyone is having trouble finding out how to get in contact with recruitment just let me know and I'll help you out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    I see nothing wrong with joining a foreign army, a few people have abused me for my decision, but at the end of the day - its MY decision.

    Sorry to hear that Blaine. If you don't mind me asking, what sort of abuse are you getting?:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    Y'know the usual verbal stuff... "Your a traitor, etc" My brothers totally against the idea!

    Funnily enough the same guys that say it follow the english premiership, support Manchester United, watch shamless and all this stuff... It confuses me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    Y'know the usual verbal stuff... "Your a traitor, etc" My brothers totally against the idea!

    Funnily enough the same guys that say it follow the english premiership, support Manchester United, watch shamless and all this stuff... It confuses me!

    Feck em! Do what makes you happy man, besides it beats sitting on your ass claiming the dole! If my jobs ends tomorrow I could see myself right beside you , Lol!:D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭rockagusroll


    Well lads, I've done the 1st interview and the BARB tests already, ADSC is next. Anyone else on here at the same stage?or further?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭troubleshooter


    Why the fascination with the Royal Irish? the Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers offer far more opportunity to do intresting courses such as becoming a diver, an FO/fWD fire support specialist etc, even joining long range patrol units and working alongside special forces.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    Y'know the usual verbal stuff... "Your a traitor, etc" My brothers totally against the idea!

    Funnily enough the same guys that say it follow the english premiership, support Manchester United, watch shamless and all this stuff... It confuses me!

    Some people are so ignorant and hypocritical in their beliefs about the British. If they hate the British so much might as well hate the Scandinavians too, they did pretty much the same to Ireland after all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭iceage


    Bloody Vikings! Always raping and pillaging..:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 200 ✭✭Why Should I


    Well lads, I've done the 1st interview and the BARB tests already, ADSC is next. Anyone else on here at the same stage?or further?


    The ADSC in belfast is cool. The run is not a 1.5miler as you have been told. Its 3 laps of a track, thats up and down hills, lose stones etc.

    I just want you to keep it in mind, because it messed me up. I still finished in 10:22.


    Once you pass the ADSC you will be shipped to Cattrick within 12 weeks. Its a great place.

    Its a Military town. Around 50km Square of training ground.

    I would go back tomorrow.


    If you need any info on anything, Contact me.

    Cheers! and good luck


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭paddycam


    Well lads, I've done the 1st interview and the BARB tests already, ADSC is next. Anyone else on here at the same stage?or further?

    yea i was at adsc on monday,got defferd at the midical tough,i injured my back a couple of years ago(poxy skateboard) and it came back and bit me in the ass,ushally and fracture in the spine is a no entary,but because im fine now i still have a chance of getting in.just waiting on that phonecall:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭rockagusroll


    The ADSC in belfast is cool. The run is not a 1.5miler as you have been told. Its 3 laps of a track, thats up and down hills, lose stones etc.

    I just want you to keep it in mind, because it messed me up. I still finished in 10:22.


    Once you pass the ADSC you will be shipped to Cattrick within 12 weeks. Its a great place.

    Its a Military town. Around 50km Square of training ground.

    I would go back tomorrow.


    If you need any info on anything, Contact me.

    Cheers! and good luck

    Got a bit held up over the last few months but now have interview 2 next week and ADSC shortly after my recruiter said. Anyone any tips for the interview?
    Are you currently serving? What regiment are you in?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Why the fascination with the Royal Irish? the Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers offer far more opportunity to do intresting courses such as becoming a diver, an FO/fWD fire support specialist etc, even joining long range patrol units and working alongside special forces.

    Some people just like the thought of being an infantryman. That role can be quite challenging in itself.

    NTM


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭paddycam


    Got a bit held up over the last few months but now have interview 2 next week and ADSC shortly after my recruiter said. Anyone any tips for the interview?
    Are you currently serving? What regiment are you in?

    interviews 2 and 3 are quite easy,interview 2 is with youre recruiter and interview 3 is with the "boss" of the office,ushally a warrent officer or alike.Make sure and where smart clothes(shirt,tie,slacks) and LEARN YOURE JOB BACKROUND.This is very important,especially for interview 3.Know where your doing Phase 1 and 2 training and for how long.Also know youre fitness leval i.e 1.5 mile run time,heave count and what youre doing to keep fit.

    After that you will be sent to a pre-adsc or adsc "proper" as my recruiter calls it.At pre adsc you only stay one day and they test you on 1.5 mile run,heavs,jerry can's and ice-breaker.The idea is if you do bad,atleast you wont be giving a grade that will last 2 years.If you do good you will be sent to adsc "proper".

    Hope my experience helps.

    Best of luck,And at adsc always put 110% effort in.If i did 22 easy heavs and you did 2 hard heavs,you would get more points cause you put more effort in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    I was hoping someone here could help me with a question i have.

    I filled out an overseas enquiry for on the BA's website and got an e-mail back informing me of some available positions in the BA. It does say that an applicant has to have accomadation in the UK as one of the conditions. Does this include applicants from Ireland though?


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