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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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    #9452
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    I think people could be writing him off too early although he won't get as much gametime next season


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    #9453
    Teferi
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    Didn't see anything of Barnes this season but I was impressed by what I saw of him the season before. He's probably 21/22 now so would want to start putting his hand up for selection more in the next season or two if he wants to stay at Munster.


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    #9454
    danthefan
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    Barnes seems like a good tackler but I personally just don't think he has that top level quality.


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    #9455
    Fireball07
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    danthefan wrote: »
    Barnes seems like a good tackler but I personally just don't think he has that top level quality.

    I'd go along with that.

    Don't think he's international class but is a good pro12 player and could be a decent HC option.


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    #9456
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Teferi wrote: »
    Didn't see anything of Barnes this season but I was impressed by what I saw of him the season before. He's probably 21/22 now so would want to start putting his hand up for selection more in the next season or two if he wants to stay at Munster.
    He's 23 later on this year. He has been putting his hand up for selection and will get much more gametime in the big games next season IMO


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    #9457
    totallegend
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    He's 23 later on this year. He has been putting his hand up for selection and will get much more gametime in the big games next season IMO

    I'm repeating a post from earlier, but will he get a jersey in the big games ahead of Downey, Laulala and Earls? Especially now that Earls has declared his preference for centre?


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    #9458
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    totallegend wrote: »
    I'm repeating a post from earlier, but will he get a jersey in the big games ahead of Downey, Laulala and Earls? Especially now that Earls has declared his preference for centre?
    New head coach and new backs coach. we dont really know what either wants in a centre so he may get a jersey in the big games


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    #9459
    Fireball07
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    So if that is the squad for next season, what do you expect/want to see for HC matches and big pro12 games?? Would you expect Stander or POM to be 6/7?

    I'd go for something like this


    15. Jones (Hopefully pre-season will be good for him but Hurley is always an option)
    14. Howlett
    13. Laulala (Possibly Earls depending on form)
    12. Downey (If Earls is playing 13, Laulala might go 12)
    11. Earls (And I'd expect Zebo to come in on the wing)
    10. O'Gara (But Keatley to start a few aswell, maybe force himself in)
    9. Murray
    8. Coughlan
    7. Stander
    6. POM
    5. O'Connell
    4. Ryan
    3. Botha
    2. Sherry/Varley
    1. Du Preez (a couple of games for Kilcoyne)

    16. Sherry/Varley
    17. Kilcoyne
    18. Archer/Ryan
    19. O'Callaghan/Nagle
    20. Ronan/DOC2/Butler (I'm actually not sure who is most likely, I'd like to see the younger guys given a go)
    21. Stringer
    22. Keatley/ROG
    23. Zebo/LOD/Hurley


    Hopefully Hanrahan will get a couple of outings at 12 in the pro12, I'd like to see LOD start at least one big game, think he's a great prospect.


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    #9460
    KJY
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    Is it possible Earls may play at FB next year? Jones is ok but not good enough to work around his injuries so much, i.e. Ferris, IMO. Zebo and Howlett on the wings with Downey and Laulala in the centres. Obviously the centres form would be assessed on arrival and Earls go to 13 if one isn't up to it. I'd prefer that to be honest


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    #9461
    Lelantos
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Teferi wrote: »
    Didn't see anything of Barnes this season but I was impressed by what I saw of him the season before. He's probably 21/22 now so would want to start putting his hand up for selection more in the next season or two if he wants to stay at Munster.
    He's 23 later on this year. He has been putting his hand up for selection and will get much more gametime in the big games next season IMO
    He's aggressive, not afraid to tackle & knows how to score, always looking for the opportunistic try. 22yo, has plenty of time to ease into the team. Downey isn't a long term option @ 32


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    #9462
    Fireball07
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    KJY wrote: »
    Is it possible Earls may play at FB next year? Jones is ok but not good enough to work around his injuries so much, i.e. Ferris, IMO. Zebo and Howlett on the wings with Downey and Laulala in the centres. Obviously the centres form would be assessed on arrival and Earls go to 13 if one isn't up to it. I'd prefer that to be honest

    Unlikely I'd say. While I think he's a very good player and could fit there, he's better in the centre and on the wing.


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    #9463
    KJY
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    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Unlikely I'd say. While I think he's a very good player and could fit there, he's better in the centre and on the wing.

    I know it's unlikely but I'd doubt if Jones will ever come anywhere near his pre-RWC form. He was very poor when he came back this year IMO

    And if it was a choice between Hurley at full back and Earls on the wing or Earls at FB and Zebo on the wing, I'd go for the latter


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    #9464
    Fireball07
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    KJY wrote: »
    I know it's unlikely but I'd doubt if Jones will ever come anywhere near his pre-RWC form. He was very poor when he came back this year IMO

    And if it was a choice between Hurley at full back and Earls on the wing or Earls at FB and Zebo on the wing, I'd go for the latter

    You might be right.

    Of course don't forget LOD, apparently he prefers full-back. Very good under a high ball.

    And I do rate Hurley as a full-back, his ability to offload in the tackle is genuinely brilliant. Best player in the team at it.


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    #9465
    phog
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    totallegend wrote: »
    I'm repeating a post from earlier, but will he get a jersey in the big games ahead of Downey, Laulala and Earls? Especially now that Earls has declared his preference for centre?

    I think Luke Fitz declared his preference for FB a few years ago, how many games has played there since, like all other professional players Earls will play where he's selected to play.

    Last season Barnes had 5 H/C caps and 18 Pro12 (I know, Munster were ravaged by injury), he was injured for at least 5 more games where he may have been selected and he scroed 5 tries.

    His H/C games seemed to have been a drop in form for him but I thought he aquitted himself well in the Avivia when he came on for Earls on the wing.

    It's hard to know how Penney and the new coaches will go about their team selections but if Barnes gets a similar run of Pro12 games this season and he can build on it for H/C selection my guess will be he'll be very happy.


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    #9466
    totallegend
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    New head coach and new backs coach. we dont really know what either wants in a centre so he may get a jersey in the big games

    I'm sorry, I'm not having a go at Barnes but nothing I have seen from him suggests he has the ability or potential to displace any of the three centres previously named for the HC matches. He is primarily a 13 as well, no? That means he's up against Laulala and Earls. It ain't going to happen, barring injuries.


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    #9467
    Amazotheamazing
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    I really like Barnes. I'd happily have him start on the wing ahead of Hurley or Murphy tbh.

    Anyhow, the really exciting thing about this season is it's all up for grabs. Can't wait for it to come around.


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    #9468
    Amazotheamazing
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    I really like Barnes. I'd happily have him start on the wing ahead of Hurley or Murphy tbh.

    Anyhow, the really exciting thing about this season is it's all up for grabs. Can't wait for it to come around.


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    #9469
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    What happens if Stander is capped by South Africa in the championship?


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    #9470
    phog
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    What happens if Stander is capped by South Africa in the championship?

    He becomes NIE, so I'd assume as he's a project player then his contract would be similar to all other project players contracts and covers off the player being offered a home country cap.


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    #9471
    bamboozle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭bamboozle


    totallegend wrote: »
    I'm sorry, I'm not having a go at Barnes but nothing I have seen from him suggests he has the ability or potential to displace any of the three centres previously named for the HC matches. He is primarily a 13 as well, no? That means he's up against Laulala and Earls. It ain't going to happen, barring injuries.

    I wouldnt be surprised if he falls off the munster radar this season. Earls, Lualala will be the main 13's. Wouldnt be surprised to see Hanrahan & Dineen get some game time. One of the most impressive players i saw in the AIL last season was Corey Hircock, he's got far more ability than Deasy, Dineen & Barnes.

    wouldnt be surprised if the new coach tries out Earls or even Keatley at 15 in an effort to include Zebo.

    Saw Keatley recently, he's twice the size of the lad who played AIL for clontarf 4 seasons ago.


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    #9472
    thomond2006
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    If Earls and Dougie are considered wingers, Zebo won't start.


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    #9473
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    If Earls and Dougie are considered wingers, Zebo won't start.

    fyp


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    #9474
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    phog wrote: »
    He becomes NIE, so I'd assume as he's a project player then his contract would be similar to all other project players contracts and covers off the player being offered a home country cap.

    Would he still count as a project player? That's not very smart. Surely he would revert to a typical NIE rather than a "+1?"


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    #9475
    bamboozle
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    If Earls and Dougie are considered wingers, Zebo won't start.

    agreed, however for back 3 players if munster are considering zebo, dougie, earls, hurley, O'Dea and an injury plagued it may make sense to see a back 3 of Dougie, Earls and Zebo....

    in saying that O'Dea has a bit of class about him...


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    #9476
    phog
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Would he still count as a project player? That's not very smart. Surely he would revert to a typical NIE rather than a "+1?"

    In my view his contract would cease or at least then become one of the NIEs and take his chances in that group.

    Surely it's included as part of being a project player that if they get capped for their home country then they are of no use as a porject player.


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    #9477
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    phog wrote: »
    In my view his contract would cease or at least then become one of the NIEs and take his chances in that group.

    Surely it's included as part of being a project player that if they get capped for their home country then they are of no use as a porject player.

    Nah you couldnt just cut a guys contract for playing for his country ;p !

    Maybe just have him counted as a normal NIE and allow Munster the one extra for the season.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens if the Boks cap him against the Argies or something.


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    #9478
    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    If he is coming over as a project player I think that is just weird.

    Our greatest depth is at backrow. We don't need another one and it's not like he'll have an easier time of breaking into the team here than in SA.


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    #9479
    GerM
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    I’m almost certain that once a player is designated as a project player (which he is) it is part of the deal that they will not take up a call up with their country of birth for the duration of the contract. Not 100% on that but I’m sure I read it somewhere. Regardless, the chances of him getting a call up are pretty much non-existent. He has never played for the Boks, never been called up to a squad and now plays outside of the country. The only guys who are called up whilst playing elsewhere are established internationals such as Botha, Pienaar and James. Stander is clearly a serious talent but he was behind a lot of players thanks to the SA back row factory and the age profile of their current players is quite young.


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    #9480
    Lelantos
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    phog wrote: »
    In my view his contract would cease or at least then become one of the NIEs and take his chances in that group.

    Surely it's included as part of being a project player that if they get capped for their home country then they are of no use as a porject player.

    Nah you couldnt just cut a guys contract for playing for his country ;p !

    Maybe just have him counted as a normal NIE and allow Munster the one extra for the season.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens if the Boks cap him against the Argies or something.
    They could well hand him a cap to stop him becoming Irish qualified. The AB's have been doing it for years to stop players playing for the islands. Laulala & Tuitupou being the obvious cases.Even the most ardent Leinster fan would recognise that if Isa hadn't been capped by Fiji, he would have almost certainly been an AB.


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    #9481
    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Lelantos wrote: »
    Even the most ardent Leinster fan would recognise that if Isa hadn't been capped by Fiji, he would have almost certainly been an AB.

    I literally have no idea why being an ardent Leinster fan has anything to do with this sentence? It is clear for everyone to see that Isa would have been a hugely successful All Black. Their loss have very much been Leinsters gain.


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