Removing tar spots from paintwork?

vectra

tossy wrote: »

Some people are still living in Celtic tiger Ireland apparently,with the price of petrol these days id rather sue it to run my car and lawn mower not clean my car! I gave up cleaning my car with petrol,wiping my arse with 20's and filling my bath with actimel around 2006

Autosmart tardis is your only man.

Dream on bud

Just looked up Tardis thee on Detailerdotie

Guess what..!!
5 Litres = €27.95

Now for the good old petrol

5 Litres = €6.75 ( Depending on pump prices..)


Are you sure you are not still stuck in the Celtic Tiger era..

tossy

vectra wrote: »

Dream on bud

Just looked up Tardis thee on Detailerdotie

Guess what..!!
5 Litres = €27.95

Now for the good old petrol

5 Litres = €6.75 ( Depending on pump prices..)


Are you sure you are not still stuck in the Celtic Tiger era..

first off i'm not your bud

Secondly that 5 litres of Tardis will last 100 times longer than the petrol as far as removing tar goes.

sean1141

tardis or holts tar remover gel are the best i have used

vectra

tossy wrote: »

that 5 litres of Tardis will last 100 times longer than the petrol as far as removing tar goes.

Proof ??

Neilw

vectra wrote: »

Proof ??

Petrol evaporates quickly off a cloth, so you have to keep applying more to get the tar off.
A mist of tardis onto a panel, leave it for a couple of mins and wipe off. Tardis does go further.

-Corkie-

Tardis is the job i got a gallon of it of the autosmart truck a few weeks ago. Its brilliant tack didnt cost 27 euro either;)

vectra

SARASON wrote: »

Tardis is the job i got a gallon of it of the autosmart truck a few weeks ago. Its brilliant tack didnt cost 27 euro either;)

Its a lot easier to go get a litre of Petrol out of a pump and off you go de-Tarring to your hearts content
But
whatever floats your boat.
Up to the OP what he/she prefers to use/spend their money on.

Both work fine

gpjordanf1

vectra wrote: »

Its a lot easier to go get a litre of Petrol out of a pump and off you go de-Tarring to your hearts content
But
whatever floats your boat.
Up to the OP what he/she prefers to use/spend their money on.

Both work fine

Dont waste your breath Vectra, cant talk sense to some people :rolleyes:

petrol all the way but sure what would I know with 19 years driving experience and with that 19+ years of washing said cars.

vectra

gpjordanf1 wrote: »

Dont waste your breath Vectra, cant talk sense to some people :rolleyes:

petrol all the way but sure what would I know with 19 years driving experience and with that 19+ years of washing said cars.

YUP
Like I said earlier myself
I have been doing the petrol trick with 30 years and no paint issues.
But hey
what would I know.
I mean, I only use "Petrolium based" Thinners to spray cars years ago..

Masada

Ive used Petrol, tar spot remover, thinners etc etc all with good results. dont be under any illusions that tar spot remover is perfectly safe for your paint either though, you'll have to clean it off just as you would petrol.

My personal favourite tar spot remover though is IPA (Isopropanol), a solvent used in paints, prep wipes for panels in body shops etc, its very good and cheap enough too, it comes in a metal can in anything from 500ml to 5 Litre drums. Its also great for removing any sticky marks like window tint glue, vinyl glue etc.

TomMc

Pour some petrol on your hands and then let it soak in. Now tell me it doesn't dry your skin. It is doing something similar to your car paint, which is porous just like human skin. And it is water based paint, not solvent based like the 80's and early 90's, so more susceptible to damage by harsh petrochemicals. Specialist tar removal products are far more refined, so they also remove bugs, glue, sap, silicones and even fuel stains.;)

DUBLINHITMAN

Correct when you say people are livin in Celtic tiger years
the amount of 2010 cars coming in to be washed is unbelievable
so why would I use petrol to remove tar
what kind off shock would a customer get if they came back and the car is covered in petrol .

At the end of the day op use what you like you've got petrol wd40 and tardis from people here and holts was mentioned too
btw not every car that I get is covered in tar So I don't use tardis alot maybe 3 out of every ten cars 1 litre lasts me about a month
if it's for your own car then 5 litres is goin to last a long time
once you detar your car it shouldn't need it for a good few months
Good luck with whatever product you choose
tardis 5 litres one car IMHO will last a whole lot longer than 5 litres of petrol

vectra

TomMc wrote: »

Pour some petrol on your hands and then let it soak in. Now tell me it doesn't dry your skin. It is doing something similar to your car paint, which is porous just like human skin. And it is water based paint, not solvent based like the 80's and early 90's, so more susceptible to damage by harsh petrochemicals. Specialist tar removal products are far more refined, so they also remove bugs, glue, sap, silicones and even fuel stains.;)

Pour some Tardis on your hands and let it soak in.. Now tell me it is a safe non chemical product

Joey the lips

I use to import a product into ireland called "gunk tar remover" the reason i mention it is it was brilliant. I sold loads around my area as i done one lads car wrong had driven through a nasty mess.

I think it has all changed now as the import company I was with has closed however I am prity sure its available through halfords....

On that note they also do "driveway" clear. Its brilliant for removing oil from the driveway.

I know from that job that "holts" did a brand just as good and this was available through woodies.

Johnny Utah

Vectra,

Do you work for Texaco or something..... you seem to be desperate to sell the petrol idea to people?



(For the record, I use Holts Tar remover and I thoroughly clean the area with a good quality car shampoo and wash mitt afterwards. You can pick up the Holts Tar Remover fairly cheap in the larger Tesco stroes. No way I'd put petrol or wd40 on my paintwork! :eek:)

vectra

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Vectra,

Do you work for Texaco or something..... you seem to be desperate to sell the petrol idea to people?

NO..LOL
BUT
Think about it
which is the easiest product to get your hands on?

Johnny Utah

vectra wrote: »

NO..LOL
BUT
Think about it
which is the easiest product to get your hands on?

I dunno, gloves? mittens perhaps?

DUBLINHITMAN

vectra wrote: »

Pour some Tardis on your hands and let it soak in.. Now tell me it is a safe non chemical product

People in the business will know what to use
on cars and what's the best way to deal with tar
your average joe will try anything
people with no clue will go to a detailer to get the job done
maybe these are the people living on Celtic tiger land

If you use petrol on your car and it works for you fairballs
don't get the hump if people in the trade use products for the trade
if you brought your car to me or anyone in the business and wanted it
buffed professionaly
and came back and seen me using a buffer from lidle
and some mayonaise mixed with sand as a componud
I dint think you'd be happy

People in the business won't cut corners or skimp on
products

vectra

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

People in the business will know what to use
on cars and what's the best way to deal with tar
your average joe will try anything
people with no clue will go to a detailer to get the job done
maybe these are the people living on Celtic tiger land


People in the business won't cut corners or skimp on
products

Been there...done that
Was in the business many moons ago.
Still never saw petrol doing any harm tp paint..
OH
Hold on..
Yes I did actually.
I have seen loads of cars with big dirty petrol/diesel stains down them by the filler cap.

You think I suggest as you put it " Covering a car with petrol"
I think not
I am talking small amount of petrol on cloth..dab the stin..leave it for a couple of minutes to soak.. wipe off.. Wash/polish.

Getting back to where you say not cutting corners...people in the business...!!

Me getting the hump..,,, << No Chance..


Just to remind you of the OP's question
It had nothing whatsoever to do with getting their car detailed.
They want something to get a few spots of tar off.. Not Douse it in petrol or any chemical

thirdmantackle wrote: »

Hi all.

While washing the car recently I have noticed tiny spots on the car's black paintwork of dirt/tar around and behind the wheel rims. they won't come off with washing.

what is the best thing for getting rid of these?
or any links to the best methods of getting rid of these.

Cheers in advance

TomMc

vectra wrote: »

Pour some Tardis on your hands and let it soak in.. Now tell me it is a safe non chemical product

Your missing the point. Both are harmful to skin, but then neither were designed with hand care in mind. Petrol is refined so it can fuel engines, not to clean car paint. Tar removers on the other hand are formulated with auto paints specifically in mind. And if you think petrol and tar removers are more or less the same, why not put some Tardis in your fuel tank, and see how far you go.

vectra

TomMc wrote: »

Your missing the point. Both are harmful to skin, but then neither were designed with hand care in mind. Petrol is refined so it can fuel engines, not to clean car paint. Tar removers on the other hand are formulated with auto paints specifically in mind. And if you think petrol and tar removers are more or less the same, why not put some Tardis in your fuel tank, and see how far you go.

I am not missing any point
Both are solvent based
both have health warnings
Hell,, even Tardis has a Warning on it that it can damage fresh paint.:rolleyes:

DUBLINHITMAN

No that didn't have geting there car detailed in mind but when detailers
valeters average joes give there opinion you seen to get the hump with alot of people who spend a few bob on there chariot or sh!tbox what ever way you see it
I use tardis on my car and would use it on any other car unless it came straight from a body shop just resprayed which I don't think there would be alot of tar to remove on a freshly painted car

You use petrol and let it soak in now how many times have you seen petrol on a cloth ringin wet
where's the soakage on petrol ????
But if it's what you use and it does the job for you then keep on truckin
1st a sponge now petrol
compound you use I hope it's not the mayonaise trick lol

use what you want lad if your happy with the job
maybe you should start your advice with
Well if you want to do it on the cheap use this "
and I'll star mine with if your rollin in the cash use this "

lol
all posted in good sense of humour btw

tossy

vectra wrote: »

Pour some Tardis on your hands and let it soak in.. Now tell me it is a safe non chemical product

Who ever said it was? Dude just because someone has a different opinion on a product than you doesn't mean you should get the hump

I've seen plenty of detailers detail high end cars to a serious standard and i've never heard the words "after washing i removed tar using some petrol"

Petrol is horrible stuff to work with,it leaves an awful stench,it dries to quickly so you use more and its generally something i am not comfortable working with it.

Now all of this is my opinion i don't have to prove this to you or convince you - i know what my opinion is.

Just because some thing is easier to get doesn't make it the best option,if i lock my keys into my car a brick is easier to get but a lock smith might be the better option.

DUBLINHITMAN

A brick ??
Get a junkie quicker than a brick
specialy with no builders around these days
lol

tossy

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

A brick ??
Get a junkie quicker than a brick
specialy with no builders around these days
lol

True but make sure you don't have any petrol lying around if you are getting a junkie,petrol is better to sniff than tardis apparently,another plus for petrol eh

vectra

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

No that didn't have geting there car detailed in mind but when detailers
valeters average joes give there opinion you seen to get the hump with alot of people who spend a few bob on there chariot or sh!tbox what ever way you see it
I use tardis on my car and would use it on any other car unless it came straight from a body shop just resprayed which I don't think there would be alot of tar to remove on a freshly painted car

You use petrol and let it soak in now how many times have you seen petrol on a cloth ringin wet
where's the soakage on petrol ????
But if it's what you use and it does the job for you then keep on truckin
1st a sponge now petrol
compound you use I hope it's not the mayonaise trick lol

use what you want lad if your happy with the job
maybe you should start your advice with
Well if you want to do it on the cheap use this "
and I'll star mine with if your rollin in the cash use this "

lol
all posted in good sense of humour btw

Try to make as much fun as you like my man.
Petrol
Sponges..

COMPOUND..!! :eek: << Where did you get that from

Detailing.
Know it all??
Well
You did see pics of my car after being washed with a sponge for over 2 years..
Tell me it is something to laugh at.
OP asked a question

I gave him my opinion as was agreed with several others
Not everyone wants to go down the "Perfectionist" detailing road.

Like I said
"whatever floats your boat"

* I am finished with this thread as I did not come here for a dispute only to offer my opinion *;)

Tea 1000

gpjordanf1 wrote: »

Why dont you have a look at your little can of over priced tar remover and have a look at it's ingredients, I would guess it is petroleum based in some shape or form.
So why bother with a watered down version of petrol and use 100% petrol, its in every shed that has a lawnmower etc.
Why on earth would you waste money on a gimmick product?
So if they want to use an inferior product, leave them to it.

And yes I've used branded tar remover too and what a waste of time it was compared to petrol.

Because it's not just raw petrol, but if you believe that it is then it's probably cheaper per litre than petrol these days, so just use it in your car and see what happens!!
No need for your arrogant attitude, I've actually seen first hand recently the result of petrol used to remove tar, and it did dull the paint. Tar remover on the same car was more effective and didn't dull the paint.

Stevie Dakota

Where can you get Tardis and how much is it?

Joey the lips

Folks there is no need to get so serious surley. As an on looker I would not use any of the methods for fear of which one is wrong. However I have taken the following information from a website on car care..... I thought the butter was a good one..... No harmful petrol

Like I said. I have been using gunk for years... Its ingredients...Just pulled from the shed....Welll whats the point...


Article.....Anyone that has ever driven down a road that was being worked on can attest to the fact that [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]tar[/COLOR][/COLOR] can be, and is, an extremely annoying and costly thing to remove from your [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]car[/COLOR][/COLOR]. Unfortunately, if you do not remove the tar from your vehicle, then you are running the risk of having a severely damaged paint job, not to mention that it doesn't look attractive in the least. Here is how you can remove that tar stain from your vehicle, with little or no damage at all, using some common household materials.
Items:

• Clean rags
• Soap and water
• Peanut butter (creamy not chunky), butter, vegetable or olive oil
• WD-40, kerosene or mineral spirits

Procedure:

1. After you have gathered your cleaning materials, you are ready to begin. Start off by cleaning the area that has tar. Use soap and [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]water[/COLOR][/COLOR] to thoroughly clean the area. Make sure that you use gentle, but firm pressure since you do not want to damage the paint job of the car or [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]truck[/COLOR][/COLOR], not to mention causing any gouges into the fiberglass.
2. Once the area has dried it is now time to apply the "lifting" agent. Surprisingly, any of these household items work, and work really well. Just use peanut butter (creamy not chunky), vegetable oil, or vegetable oil on the tar, and let it sit for 24 hours. This is going to soften the tar enough that you should be able to remove by simply wiping away with a soft, clean rag.
3. If the above does not work, then it is time to move onto drastic measures. Use either WD-40 or kerosene (yes, kerosene—so no smoking while doing this!) on the affected area, and let it sit for 5 minutes on the tar.
4. After the 5 minutes have passed you can now wipe away the tar with a soft, clean rag until the tar is gone. As you do this, do not be surprised if you notice that any wax you have applied to the car has come off. The kerosene and WD-40 are "de-greasing" agents, and these have a tendency to remove wax. If this happens, you are going to need to reapply the wax to the affected area(s) so as to bring your car back to its former glory.

gpjordanf1

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Because it's not just raw petrol, but if you believe that it is then it's probably cheaper per litre than petrol these days, so just use it in your car and see what happens!!
No need for your arrogant attitude, I've actually seen first hand recently the result of petrol used to remove tar, and it did dull the paint. Tar remover on the same car was more effective and didn't dull the paint.

Your talking through your A**E, you have been told by very experienced people that it does no harm to your car when used with a bit of common sense.(like anyother strong chemicals youd use)

Wash car, dry, apply petrol to tar spots, remove with cloth, wash, shampoo & wax. Such a simple job, no need for bull tar removing products.

And I know this first hand, a guy in the "detailing" (american term?) car valeting profession actually game me his recipe which was 1 part petrol, 2 part diesel and a washing tablet, shake well and apply.

People have been commenting on my car for years and admiring how fresh it looks and whats my secret.

So sorry but your wrong wrong wrong, it does not dull paint.

These cars you witnessed coming in with dull paint due to petrol, did you witness the cars before said petrol was applied to said cars?