Competition Barrels from Lilja

intershoot

I am currently in the process of importing some small-bore barrels from Lilja (http://www.riflebarrels.com) and wondered if there would be any interest from the centre-fire side of things?

Any suggestions with regard to the most popular calibre/contours/twist etc to stock, or are these a much more individual item?

All advice geatly appreciated.

Thanks,

sam@intershoot.co.uk

:cool:

Cass

Look at .308, .223, 6.5x284 for a start. Twist rates in and around the 1:8/1:9 for the 6.5x284 (F-Class barrels) and at least 1:10 to 1:12 for the .308 calibres (FTR). Not really sure on the .223 calibres. I don't know of many if any people using them from a target point of view but i'm sure some hunter/sports shooters would not pass up the chance to improve accuracy. Twist rates seem to be either 1:9 or 1:12 depending on make.


My rifle is only new so a bit early to be thinking of barrel changing, but in a year or so from now. I know thats probably of no use to you but i think a poll may shine a bit more light on things. Try popping one up with the different calibres and barrel lengths as options and see the responses. Might need 2 polls one for calibre another for length.

rrpc

6mm Br Norma is what the lads with the Bleikers use (Lilja Barrels anyway) and I think the 7mm WSM is a popular calibre with F-Class.

Most of the F-Class lads are using two barrels a year from what I hear.

And you know about the Anschütz 20 series

Lilja also do barrels for the Ruger 10/22 in a sporter and match grade. Both can be installed by the user AFAIK.

Cass

rrpc wrote: »

.......and I think the 7mm WSM is a popular calibre with F-Class.

From what i've seen its rising in popularity. One of the top shooters in the MNSCI uses this and he is winning all around him with it.

Most of the F-Class lads are using two barrells a year from what I hear.

They are. Its a costly sport, but the results they get are nothing short of amazing. Got to know your stuff though.

carlos93

Dont forget .308

1 in 13 30" medium Palma taper!!

intershoot

carlos93 wrote: »

Dont forget .308

1 in 13 30" medium Palma taper!!

Stainless seems to be the way to go for barrel wear, but....

3 groove or 6 groove? 3 groove is apparently better wearing and fouls less.

Fluted, Octagon or Straight? I assume straight for target shooting as the extra weight would reduce recoil.

11/4", 11/2" or 2" Dia? again is weight the decider, or is it the stock dimensions?

intershoot

The do drop in barrels for;

Anschutz 2013/2007 (Stainless 0.9" Dia, 21"-27" long) :eek:

Ruger 10/22 (21" Straight or 21" Sporter)

Sako Quad (21" Straight or Tapered)

rrpc

intershoot wrote: »

The do drop in barrels for;

Anschutz 2013/2007 (Stainless 0.9" Dia, 21"-27" long) :eek:

No need to be all shocked and surprised intershoot , the standard Anschütz match barrel has always been 27" long or 69cm if you like, and as short as 20"/50cm.

Anschütz website.



Barrel length
69.0 cm / 27.17 inch

intershoot

rrpc wrote: »

No need to be all shocked and surprised intershoot , the standard Anschütz match barrel has always been 27" long or 69cm if you like, and as short as 20"/50cm.

Anschütz website.



Barrel length
69.0 cm / 27.17 inch

Indeed rrpc, but would you want a shorter one........remember they are stainless! they may be a tad heavier....just a thought!

:cool:

rrpc

intershoot wrote: »

Indeed rrpc, but would you want a shorter one........remember they are stainless! they may be a tad heavier....just a thought!

:cool:

Hard to know really. The Anschütz website gives the weight of the 69cm barrel and action as 7½lbs and the 50cm barrel, action and extension at 6.8lbs.

Lilja say their 21" 20 series barrel is 3½lbs. There can't be a whole lot in it.

As I said the other day, I probably need to go for the longer one, the short one is a little over inclined to recoil.

Lilja don't say how they finish the barrel for sight extensions or sights. Do you know?

carlos93

intershoot wrote: »

Stainless seems to be the way to go for barrel wear, but....

3 groove or 6 groove? 3 groove is apparently better wearing and fouls less.

Fluted, Octagon or Straight? I assume straight for target shooting as the extra weight would reduce recoil.

11/4", 11/2" or 2" Dia? again is weight the decider, or is it the stock dimensions?

If this is for TR then i would spec as my previous post and then add:-

3 grove (as you already stated better barrel wear.)

Standard Palma Taper and turned down to .750" at end for front sight.

No Flutes would be required as it adds to the overall cost and only really needed if your Rifle is not making weight OR your shooting Match Rifle.

Sam I assume that they are not chambered but only barrel blanks?

ATB

Carlos

rrpc

carlos93 wrote: »

If this is for TR then i would spec as my previous post and then add:-

3 grove (as you already stated better barrel wear.)

Standard Palma Taper and turned down to .750" at end for front sight.

No Flutes would be required as it adds to the overall cost and only really needed if your Rifle is not making weight OR your shooting Match Rifle.

Sam I assume that they are not chambered but only barrel blanks?

ATB

Carlos

From the Lilja website:

Pricing for our centerfire barrels is listed below. These barrels are finished on the inside, turned to one of our standard contours or tapers and finish ground to a 320 grit finish on the outside. Our standard length barrels are furnished 28" long, 27" of which is useable barrel. They require installation by a gunsmith. This installation work would include threading, chambering, cutting to the desired finish length and crowning and any outside finish work such as blueing, teflon coating, bead blasting, etc. We do not do any gunsmithing work or barrel installations on customer receivers. But we can make a gunsmith recommendation when requested.

carlos93

rrpc wrote: »

From the Lilja website:

So a Blank I presume.

As a matter of intrest how much would it cost to be threaded and chambered in the South?

C

intershoot

rrpc wrote: »

Lilja don't say how they finish the barrel for sight extensions or sights. Do you know?

As far as I know it is a blank barrel and the grooves or locators for tube extensions etc has to be done by the individual. I would probably try to get that sort of stuff done myself to be honest prior to sale, maybe half done with grooves, and the others made to suit a specific tube extension!! dunno, still a work in progress :rolleyes:

.243

intershoot wrote: »

The do drop in barrels for;

Anschutz 2013/2007 (Stainless 0.9" Dia, 21"-27" long) :eek:

Ruger 10/22 (21" Straight or 21" Sporter)

Sako Quad (21" Straight or Tapered)

what about a drop in for the sako finnfire ??

rrpc

.243 wrote: »

what about a drop in for the sako finnfire ??

Was that a rhetorical question?

http://www.riflebarrels.com/products/sako_finnfire_lilja_rifle_barrels.htm

.243

rrpc wrote: »

Was that a rhetorical question?

http://www.riflebarrels.com/products/sako_finnfire_lilja_rifle_barrels.htm

eh no quiet a serious one actually he did mention a quad barrel and nothing about the finnfire,hence the posted question :rolleyes:

rrpc

.243 wrote: »

eh no quiet a serious one actually he did mention a quad barrel and nothing about the finnfire,hence the posted question :rolleyes:

He also posted a link to the Lilja website, so I assumed that you'd gone there first.

Obviously not, but it was a valid assumption I thought

intershoot

.243 wrote: »

eh no quiet a serious one actually he did mention a quad barrel and nothing about the finnfire,hence the posted question :rolleyes:

Evenin .243,

Yes there is also a drop-in for the finfire, but as it is listed as an 'old model' on the Sako site I was assuming (dangerous I know ) there would not be the same demand for barrels.

I thought the quad would be the one to go for!

But if you want to place an order I can add it to the list! Which one's it to be???

.243

intershoot wrote: »

Evenin .243,

Yes there is also a drop-in for the finfire, but as it is listed as an 'old model' on the Sako site I was assuming (dangerous I know ) there would not be the same demand for barrels.

I thought the quad would be the one to go for!

But if you want to place an order I can add it to the list! Which one's it to be???

it is the old p94 finnfire model,the newer quad heavy varmint version is completely different

intershoot

Finally got the export/import costs and postage thrashed out!

All the drop-in barrels in stainless steel are costing £365.00. All the Centre fire (30") barrels are costing £350 in Stainless.

Any queries just drop me a note!

Regards,

intershoot :cool:

intershoot

SHEEEEEEEEEESHHH!!

At last the first batch of Lilja barrels are on their way!!

Anschutz 2007/2013 2 Drop-in S.S. Barrels
Sako FinnFire 21" Drop-in S.S. Barrels
Ruger 10/22 21" Drop-in S.S. Barrels
.308 1in13 32" S.S. "Crawford Palma" Contour
.308 1in13 32" S.S. "Palma32" Contour

Lead time for new barrels is 10 weeks so if you want anything in particular let me know and it can be included in the next batch!!

intershoot :cool:

bunny shooter

intershoot wrote: »

......Sako FinnFire 21" Drop-in S.S. Barrels....

You have my attention :cool:

Original .22lr Finnfire "Sporter"?

How much?

intershoot

bunny shooter wrote: »

You have my attention :cool:

Original .22lr Finnfire "Sporter"?

How much?

Hi Bunny!

Yes the original Finnfire, they seem to be quite popular amongst the bench-rest guys as well. The barrels come tapered as the sporter, and the more popular bull-barrel - about 6oz difference in the two!

The drop-in barrels all pan out at the same price - if you include the "Go-Gauge" to set the head-space they are £380 each.

Let me know if you want me to keep one for ya!!

bunny shooter

intershoot wrote: »

Hi Bunny!

Yes the original Finnfire, they seem to be quite popular amongst the bench-rest guys as well. The barrels come tapered as the sporter, and the more popular bull-barrel - about 6oz difference in the two!

The drop-in barrels all pan out at the same price - if you include the "Go-Gauge" to set the head-space they are £380 each.

Let me know if you want me to keep one for ya!!

Keep me a sporter one with a gauge thingy :cool:

Thanks

intershoot

bunny shooter wrote: »

Keep me a sporter one with a gauge thingy :cool:

Thanks

Hi Bunny,

Just have the bull barrels comming in at the moment, and the next batch wont be ready for about 10-12 weeks. I can order one for you if you want, but have a look at both on the Lilja website and let me know.

intershoot

bunny shooter

I'll get back to ya

rrpc

Just got off the phone to Intershoot. Nice shiny new 27" Lilja barrel on its way to the Birmingham proof house with my name on it

I'm so excited

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

Just got off the phone to Intershoot. Nice shiny new 27" Lilja barrel on its way to the Birmingham proof house with my name on it

I'm so excited

Excellent. Will be interesting to see how it works out for you. If nothing else, that lovely bit of walnut you've got will look very swanky with the stainless barrel. You going to stick a short tube on it to make up for the slight loss of sight radius or just going to stick with it for the moment and see how it goes, first?

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Excellent. Will be interesting to see how it works out for you. If nothing else, that lovely bit of walnut you've got will look very swanky with the stainless barrel. You going to stick a short tube on it to make up for the slight loss of sight radius or just going to stick with it for the moment and see how it goes, first?

We're just checking to see if it's the same diameter as the original. I think it is, but I've sent the measurements to Sam, and Ryan is checking the Lilja barrels to compare.

If it is, I'll use my current extension (it'll be a bloody long rifle ) but with the sights at the near end of the grooves.

I'll check the possibility of getting the barrel grooved as well, but once that's done, my extension won't work any more.

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

We're just checking to see if it's the same diameter as the original. I think it is, but I've sent the measurements to Sam, and Ryan is checking the Lilja barrels to compare.

If it is, I'll use my current extension (it'll be a bloody long rifle ) but with the sights at the near end of the grooves.

I'll check the possibility of getting the barrel grooved as well, but once that's done, my extension won't work any more.

If your hold gets good enough that you can push the foresight out to the end of that thing it'll be interesting.

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

If your hold gets good enough that you can push the foresight out to the end of that thing it'll be interesting.

The ultimate wobblemeter

I must check what the overall length would be, and the sight radius compared to the original.

Watch this space

IRLConor

I think you've got the wrong idea about 25yd rifle!

rrpc

IRLConor wrote: »

I think you've got the wrong idea about 25yd rifle!

I think it's the right idea

The sight radius is currently just over 1m from aperture to aperture. The Lilja barrel will add another 177mm to that, but I can bring the foresight back as much as 200mm, so I can keep it as it is if necessary. Standard sight radius on a normal Anschütz barrel is 800mm.

The main problem with having such a long sight radius is not so much the wobble but the fact that the foresight does a Fr. Dougal on it: "small... very far away"

Sparks

rrpc wrote: »

I think it's the right idea

Not when you start leaving powder burns on the paper it's not

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

Not when you start leaving powder burns on the paper it's not

It's a 27 inch barrel, not a 27 yard one

Sparks

A 27 yard barrel might be pushing it a bit there rrpc, you only need the 25 yards

demonloop

Putting a 21" in my 1913, and addng a MEC Strike to get my sight radius back to roughly what it is now. I fancy a bit less weight and the accuracy should be the same in the bull barrel. Its a 21" that Matt Emmons uses AFAIK, with a tube. He seems to be doing alright with it

I've tried tubes on the end of trhe Anschutz 690 barrel before, but any advantage I gained on the larger sight radius I more than lost on the wobble, plus in a crosswind I thought the tube caught the wind a little. Its bloody long with 8" on the end of the barrel!

Looking back I was getting a poor sight picture and trying anyting to improve it when the answer really was that I needed a lens. Took a while to convince myself as my eyesight is really good. In fact I have a friend who's a fighter pilot and my eyes are better than his

It wasn't me!

I've got plans to fit a tube to my 1913 (standard length barrel) over the next while. Currently, even as I'm still tweaking and not quite perfectly comfortable yet, I'm not seeing any movement. None at all. I reckon I'll probably go for about an eight inch tube and can see how it goes. I got the 22mm foresight anyway, so will still have a fairly good sight picture with that.

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

I've got plans to fit a tube to my 1913 (standard length barrel) over the next while. Currently, even as I'm still tweaking and not quite perfectly comfortable yet, I'm not seeing any movement. None at all. I reckon I'll probably go for about an eight inch tube and can see how it goes. I got the 22mm foresight anyway, so will still have a fairly good sight picture with that.

You'd be surprised how small the foresight gets when it moves another eight inches away from you. In good light conditions it's ok, but in low light, the gap around the foresight gets very large indeed. I've got a rubber washer which I fit over the foresight when it's like that to make the profile larger.

I'm surprised nobody's making an adaptor to do the same thing.

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

You'd be surprised how small the foresight gets when it moves another eight inches away from you. In good light conditions it's ok, but in low light, the gap around the foresight gets very large indeed. I've got a rubber washer which I fit over the foresight when it's like that to make the profile larger.

I'm surprised nobody's making an adaptor to do the same thing.

Aye, should be okay with the extra size in it, should look about the same as an 18mm foresight on a typical radius, or close enough. Problem is, my hold is good enough that I'm pretty certain that once I've got a good sight picture, anything that goes out is a fauilt with trigger or recoil control, but I want to figure out whether my sight picture is really as good as I think, since I can't see the movement as things stand.

FLOYDSTER

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Aye, should be okay with the extra size in it, should look about the same as an 18mm foresight on a typical radius, or close enough. Problem is, my hold is good enough that I'm pretty certain that once I've got a good sight picture, anything that goes out is a fauilt with trigger or recoil control, but I want to figure out whether my sight picture is really as good as I think, since I can't see the movement as things stand.

Put a scope on!!, that'll show you hold or lack of it!!;)

It wasn't me!

FLOYDSTER wrote: »

Put a scope on!!, that'll show you hold or lack of it!!;)

Might do, aye. I have a spare one lying around I'm going to sell. Last time I did it though, I just found it disorienting and found it exaggerated movement and I didn't shoot half as well.

Sparks

That's the whole point of it IWM
You should see what it looks like when you do that with an air rifle standing

It wasn't me!

Sparks wrote: »

That's the whole point of it IWM
You should see what it looks like when you do that with an air rifle standing

Perhaps the phrasing was wrong. It increased the movement. A lot. Put it this way, I wouldn't have happily pulled the trigger on anything I saw.

Tackleberrywho

Back on thread

Intershoots wares on show!


Lots there to choose from!

rrpc

Isn't that a pretty picture . Thanks Tack, would that be my 27" barrel unwrapped at the front? Looks very nice!

See a couple of 21" Ruger 10/22 barrels there. Anyone who has a 10/22 and wants a lot more accuracy, that's the answer right there.

Drool

Sparks

Very shiny

Tackleberrywho

rrpc wrote: »

Isn't that a pretty picture . Thanks Tack, would that be my 27" barrel unwrapped at the front? Looks very nice!

See a couple of 21" Ruger 10/22 barrels there. Anyone who has a 10/22 and wants a lot more accuracy, that's the answer right there.

Drool

I think it is RRPC.
And yes they are shiney!

I always found a picture paints a thousand words
He has all his stuff keenly priced in his shop.
Only that I had no way to bring more stuff i might have picked up a nice Hunting jacket.

rrpc

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I think it is RRPC.
And yes they are shiney!

I always found a picture paints a thousand words
He has all his stuff keenly priced in his shop.
Only that I had no way to bring more stuff i might have picked up a nice Hunting jacket.

Well thanks again Tack, it's nice to have a picture of it while I'm waiting for the real thing.

Were you tempted yourself?

Tackleberrywho

rrpc wrote: »

Well thanks again Tack, it's nice to have a picture of it while I'm waiting for the real thing.

Were you tempted yourself?

I'm not sure what calibre I'll go next, so it's easy not be tempted.

What I do know is the ammo I got off him kicks more than the 155grain .308 that i am used to.
It will be very interesting to see 125grain BTip'ed trajectory and speeds.
Dwight might "loan" me a chrono so I'll see what speeds it's creating in a 20" barrel configuration.

I have not time to check out it any further as I have to work this evening