Edward Norton medium for war and terrorist acceptance programming?

studiorat

Chriskavo wrote: »

You forget to mention the fact that he announced weeks before that the American govt was going to stage a false flag attack on the twin towers and then blame it on their CIA asset OBL.

That' BS, you are being had! He said there was going to be "an attack" he never mentioned the WTC.

I have have secret information too, there will be a false flag attack on a US target. The CIA wil blame Al Queda, don't forget you heard it from me first!!!

And don't forget to log in and buy a t-shirt!!

When he reported the attempted attack that was busted in the UK. Once again he said it he knew about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAHqSfDNjaI

What he didn't say is that the BBC had published the story an hour earlier. Now watch what happens when we post that on his you tube site

He's a complete fraud, I think you are being gullible to believe him without question .

The funny thing is "Jar-Head Jones" is a laughing stock in his home town!!

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/column?oid=77932

Have a look at this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACalwg360c&feature=player_embedded

Then tell me what exactly Jones is doing here...

Chriskavo

studiorat wrote: »

That' BS, you are being had! He said there was going to be "an attack" he never mentioned the WTC.

I have have secret information too, there will be a false flag attack on a US target. The CIA wil blame Al Queda, don't forget you heard it from me first!!!

And don't forget to log in and buy a t-shirt!!

When he reported the attempted attack that was busted in the UK. Once again he said it he knew about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAHqSfDNjaI

What he didn't say is that the BBC had published the story an hour earlier. Now watch what happens when we post that on his you tube site

He's a complete fraud, I think you are being gullible to believe him without question .

The funny thing is "Jar-Head Jones" is a laughing stock in his home town!!

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/column?oid=77932

Have a look at this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACalwg360c&feature=player_embedded

Then tell me what exactly Jones is doing here...

Wrong again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

He may have made other predictions which have not transpired, however the fact that he has put these warnings out probably scuppered plans for more staged terror. Something tells me you are a fan of that UFO nut Bill Cooper,

studiorat

Chriskavo wrote: »

Wrong again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

Something tells me you are a fan of that UFO nut Bill Cooper,

Ha ha ha! Jumping to conclusions again there. Your powers of deduction must be failing you.

That's the weakness of the CT'er ya see. . You hear the phrase "World Trade Centre" and immediately jump to conclusions.

What Jar-Head says is " let someone do it, like the World Trade Centre". What he actually means was "like the attack on the World Trade Centre in 1993". He was talking about the previous attack on the WTC. :rolleyes:

Watch it again carefully, even his body language tells you he is refering to a past tense event.

Naturally you don't want to believe this because it will make you look foolish. But the "Truth! is sometimes very painful.

humanji

Studiorat, you're assuming the theories are false just as those who believe them assume they're true. Neither side has proof positive, so all we're left with is personal opinion. Take that into account and stop the derogatory generalisations.

And wasn't this thread about Edward Norton?

Chriskavo

studiorat wrote: »

Ha ha ha! Jumping to conclusions again there. Your powers of deduction must be failing you.

That's the weakness of the CT'er ya see. . You hear the phrase "World Trade Centre" and immediately jump to conclusions.

What Jar-Head says is " let someone do it, like the World Trade Centre". What he actually means was "like the attack on the World Trade Centre in 1993". He was talking about the previous attack on the WTC. :rolleyes:

Watch it again carefully, even his body language tells you he is refering to a past tense event.

Naturally you don't want to believe this because it will make you look foolish. But the "Truth! is sometimes very painful.

He made that announcement in July 2001 and he was referring to an upcoming staged terror attack. Its obvious you have a problem with Alex Jones but that s ok. I dont, I think he happens to be a true American patriot who isn't afraid to ask the hard questions. As for the strawman argument and your assumption that I am a Ct'er or whatever you call it. Call me whatever you like, that aspersion no longer rings true anymore. More and more people including respected zogby polls along with the majority of Americans do not believe the official conspiracy theory of 911 which I presume you espouse. Get over it sheepy baaaaa!

studiorat

Just to clairify the matter. Since we were talking about predictions. I am saying Jar-Head is twisting what he has said in the past to make it look like he 'predicted' the attacks.

And just to generalise a little more, the Conspiracy Theory industry is as guilty of pre-programming people to accept war and terrorism as Hollywood or the News Channels.

Considering both the "alternative" and "mainstream" media share so much of the medium, I find it very strange that people should choose to point the finger at one and not at the other.

Therefore I'm asking why do people choose to believe one media over another? Both have their agendas.

Chriskavo

studiorat wrote: »

Just to clairify the matter. Since we were talking about predictions. I am saying Jar-Head is twisting what he has said in the past to make it look like he 'predicted' the attacks.

And just to generalise a little more, the Conspiracy Theory industry is as guilty of pre-programming people to accept war and terrorism as Hollywood or the News Channels.

Considering both the "alternative" and "mainstream" media share so much of the medium, I find it very strange that people should choose to point the finger at one and not at the other.

Therefore I'm asking why do people choose to believe one media over another? Both have their agendas.

I dont agree that Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist or part of the so called conspiracy theory industry. The biggest conspiracy theory is to one that the American govt issued following the 911 attack ie. that the trillion dollar defense system of America was brought to its knees by 15 or so Arabs with a few box cutters at the behest of some guy in a cave. The alternative theory however is far more rational and sober and is supported by empirical scientific analysis. I happen to to go with Alex's version on this one.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

What Jar-Head says is " let someone do it, like the World Trade Centre". What he actually means was "like the attack on the World Trade Centre in 1993". He was talking about the previous attack on the WTC. :rolleyes:

Watch it again carefully,

You should watch it again.


What he said "we know you are planning terrorism" and he predicts that CIA "boogey-man" bin Laden may be involved.

You missed the point completely.

studiorat

Chriskavo wrote: »

He made that announcement in July 2001 and he was referring to an upcoming staged terror attack.

I've watched it about 10 times.

At 1'49' he says "We know that Oklahoma City and the World Trade Centre was Terrorism".

Then he says...

"Or you let some terrorist group do it, like the world trade centre." He was talking about the FBI "allowing" the 1993 bombing to go ahead.

Bin Laden was already public enemy number one at the time, don't forget that. So it's no suprise that he was mentioned.

Watch the video. He was talking about the past tense. Think about it, question it...

Bomber I really thought you would question Jones on this a little, I'm disappointed. Com'on.

If he really predicted it why wasn't he questioned about it? Why didn't it come up in any of the enquiries?

Thing is, time and time again it can be seen Jones' respect and support for freedom of speech ends with those voices with which he personally agrees.

enno99

studiorat wrote: »

I suggested that you and others were making a big thing out of a seeming coincidence. Not even that big of a coincidence, so I pointed out there were much bigger coincidences in literature.

So bigger coincidences care to post the source of these little gems of wisdom


Coincidences happen in novels all the time. Edgar Allen Poe wrote a novel called the "Narritave of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantuckett" in 1838. In the novel four men are shipwrecked and left adrift on the open sea, they conspire together and kill and eat the cabin boy, Richard Parker. In 1884, a ship called the Migonette sinks and four men are cast adrift in an open boat, three of them murder and eat the cabin boy, called Richard Parker.

Edgar Allen Poe referenced earlier works and actual events. Contemporary critics responded negatively to the work for being too gruesome and for cribbing heavily from other works.

essex of nantucket where the crew also resorted to cannibalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_%28whaleship%29

richard parker mutineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Parker_%28British_sailor%29
A Richaed parker drowned when the Francis spraight
They also Killed the cabin boy http://www.askeatonbynet.com/death_of_a_cabin_boy.htm
An unfortunate name but maybe not all that uncommon for sailors of the era it seems

Morgan Robertson wrote "Futility" in 1898, which describes the maiden transatlantic voyage of the Titan, an unsinkable ship. Which hits an iceberg and sinks with huge loss of life. Both events the real and the fictional one took place in the month of April.

Not unprecedented http://www.webtitanic.net/frameice.html

The most startling coincidence above all is the similarity in names between Titan and Titanic. In 2003, Senan Moloney wrote an article for the online resource Titanic Book Site where he finds three occasions before the writing of "Futility" where a ship named Titania sank at sea, and one of these bore certain similarities to the eventual Titanic disaster. It could be that, inspired by this disaster (or all three) Morgan Robertson chose to base his ocean liner's name on their names.

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/%22Futility%22_by_Morgan_Robertson



Norman Mailer wrote "the Barbairy Coast", in which he introduces a Russian spy. He originally had no intention but the character gained promonince as Mailer developed the story. When the book was finished, US immagration arrested a man living on the floor above the author who turned out to be Colonel Rudolph Able, a top KGB agent working in the US at the time.

The book was not titled the Babairy coast
Barbary shore By Norman Mailer (1951)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Shore

colonel Rudolph Able arrested (1957)http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/abel/abel.htm
6 years later
Not when the book hit the shelves as the post seems to suggest

enno99

Edward Norton 25th hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Za2k5wA3sk
did he leave anybody out

studiorat

enno99 wrote: »

So bigger coincidences care to post the source of these little gems of wisdom

Working from memory mostly. Stuff you come across reading. I went back and checked, Able was on the floor below Mailer. Thanks for pointing it out.

Like I said, life copies art and art copies life.

So Spike Lee is part of the conspiracy now. :rolleyes:

Torakx

It is true that a group probably the CIA has been doing hoax attacks on the WTC before 9-11 this came in the form of car bombs iirc.
So it is fair to sy that they have been targeting the buildings over the years preparing it for a big one maybe.

I dont know how the topic got onto Alex jones.
For what its worth i enjoy getting info off his website for the american politics side of things but i dont trust him.He does talk over people he doesnt think will say what he wants to hear as appose to an intellectual debate.

Thats possibly just his style.Or he is a CIA agent
Who knows but i will say information is information and its just as reliable as getting it off the tv news.

On the Ed Norton side of things i was wondering does anyone know where he went to college?
I have read on one sigh it was Harvard and just now another saying he attended yale.
I ask because his father was a federal prosecuter for the Carter administration and he also studied law.
Not to mention the ole skull and bones angle

Yitzhak Rabin

Torakx wrote: »

On the Ed Norton side of things i was wondering does anyone know where he went to college?
I have read on one sigh it was Harvard and just now another saying he attended yale.
I ask because his father was a federal prosecuter for the Carter administration and he also studied law.
Not to mention the ole skull and bones angle

He went to Yale, where he majored in History.

As a response to the events of September 11th and the increasing conflict in the Middle East, he contributed to establish the Middle East Peacemakers Fund at Yale University.

College buddies with Ron Livingston at Yale.

Thats all the stuff I found about him at Yale. Personally, I doubt he's involved in anything malicious, and seems like a genuinely down to earth bloke to me. I mean, he still uses the NY subway on a daily basis.

enno99

studiorat wrote: »

Working from memory mostly. Stuff you come across reading. I went back and checked, Able was on the floor below Mailer. Thanks for pointing it out.

Like I said, life copies art and art copies life.

So Spike Lee is part of the conspiracy now. :rolleyes:

Maybe this site will refresh your memory
A coincidence the three examples you gave are in the same order

Strange world

http://paranormalityv2.blogspot.com/2009/05/freaky-coincidences-part-iii.html

Yitzhak Rabin

yekahs wrote: »

As a response to the events of September 11th and the increasing conflict in the Middle East, he contributed to establish the Middle East Peacemakers Fund at Yale University.

What that fund does is provide scholarships for 5 students a year to study in the ME to better understand the culture and politics of the region. I can't find much info on it, but if someone else can I'd love to hear it, because there could be a CT there, perhaps with training spies or something like that?

studiorat

enno99 wrote: »

Maybe this site will refresh your memory
A coincidence the three examples you gave are in the same order

Strange world

http://paranormalityv2.blogspot.com/2009/05/freaky-coincidences-part-iii.html

Never seen it before.

That coincidences for ya.

So what's with the Spike Lee conspiracy? I'd love to hear some more of your 'research' on the subject.

studiorat

Torakx wrote: »

It is true that a group probably the CIA has been doing hoax attacks on the WTC before 9-11 this came in the form of car bombs iirc.
So it is fair to sy that they have been targeting the buildings over the years preparing it for a big one maybe.

Close, it was the FBI. They had an Egyptian informer, hold on...

More linx...

NYtimes article about Salem and the FBI
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/27/nyregion/tapes-in-bombing-plot-show-informer-and-fbi-at-odds.html

Here's an article about the FBI missing the 911 plot although there were plenty of clues. Even a note found by the FBI saying that the intention of the 1993 bombers was to collapse the towers. The 1993 plot was intended to bring the whole building down. And they came very close.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0408c.asp

enno99

studiorat wrote: »

Never seen it before.

That coincidences for ya.

So what's with the Spike Lee conspiracy? I'd love to hear some more of your 'research' on the subject.

Nothing I know of just brilliant acting
I was just trying to bring Torakx,s thread back to the topic

But who knows maybe worth a look.

LadyJedi

Torakx wrote: »

Right this is a thread i am unprepared for and as such sticking my neck out probably a bit too much.
but its the only way right now i can think to bring this idea across.
I dont have evidence only an idea/theory.
Hopefully somebody will be able to add more knowledge on the topic and get to the bottom of it.

. . . . etc.

Hello paranoia, the whole thing at the end of the fight club is that he has had a breakdown and is insane!!!!

Brown Bomber

yekahs wrote: »

What that fund does is provide scholarships for 5 students a year to study in the ME to better understand the culture and politics of the region. I can't find much info on it, but if someone else can I'd love to hear it, because there could be a CT there, perhaps with training spies or something like that?

Information was extremely scarce. Infact, if anyone else ever googles the Middle East Peace Fund this'ö probably be on the first page.

Norton set it up "in response to Sept 11th". To the best of my knowledge the fund only existed for one year, 2002. I believe also that it was in fact called the Edward Norton Fellowship, perhaps the Middle East Peace Fund never came to be realised?

From the Yale Bulletin & Calendar
June 7, 2002Volume 30, Number 31

[FONT=times new roman,palatino]NORTON FELLOWSHIPS. Edward Norton Fellowships, which fund research focusing on the countries of the Middle East or the Central Asian countries of Tajikistan, Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan, were awarded to Mahbod Moghadam '03 of Calhoun College, Jill Schnoebelen '02 of Branford College, James Sumner '03 of Silliman College and Karen Weise '03 of Pierson College. [/FONT]

- http://www.yale.edu/opa/arc-ybc/v30.n31/story112.html

I looked into the first guy on the list, Mabhod Moghadam due to his Arabic sounding name. If he was Muslim then it would have obliterated my suspicions that the fund was really a promotion of Zionism to the decision makers of tomorrow.

This is what I found...

Mahbod Moghadam, 19, of Encino, had "put aside the summer for traveling" and couldn't beat Birthright's price. A student at Yale and the son of Iranian immigrants, Moghadam, who had his bar mitzvah at Temple Beth Emet in Burbank, was planning a trip to Israel next year for a research project on Iranian history. Friends warned him that Birthright would try to "brainwash" him in regard to Israel, but he says he found only "sincere, open argument, not brainwashing. The agenda is to allow young, dynamic people to make up their own minds."


Meanwhile, he praised the enormous range of activities, a "sample platter" he didn't think he would have thought to do on his own, and he expects, back in America, to "extend" his Jewish religious life and his support of Israel and Zionism.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/article/singles_fall_in_love_with_israel_20020913/

Brown Bomber

enno99 wrote: »

Maybe this site will refresh your memory
A coincidence the three examples you gave are in the same order

Strange world

http://paranormalityv2.blogspot.com/2009/05/freaky-coincidences-part-iii.html

Haha. Just joking...:p

studiorat

It's good you think so.

But you'll have to try harder.

Try The Life of Pi and Violet Jessop.

enno99

studiorat wrote: »

It's good you think so.

But you'll have to try harder.

Try The Life of Pi and Violet Jessop.

Ok wont be inviting Violet on a cruise

But your point is ?

studiorat

enno99 wrote: »

Ok wont be inviting Violet on a cruise

But your point is ?

That yourself and Bomber seem to think I scraped the information off the site you posted earlier. And I was pointing out that I remembered the information from reading about the subjects I mentioned. And you are both wrong. Geddit?

I really can't believe I had to explain that for you. *shakes head*

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

That yourself and Bomber seem to think I scraped the information off the site you posted earlier. And I was pointing out that I remembered the information from reading about the subjects I mentioned. And you are both wrong. Geddit?

I really can't believe I had to explain that for you. *shakes head*

I was just taking the piss, just as easy the author of the site read what you read but I'm with Enno on the coincidences you presented.

They 3 you presented seem to be the "big-three". They span the best part of 150 years. The Russian spy one is a non-starter for me, especially in light of what Enno revealed.

The other two were the result of ship sinkings which were extremely commonplace at the time.

In fact, character names aside this closer to what happened in Poe's novel and happened BEFORE he wrote the book.

Saint Christopher case

In the early seventeenth century, seven Englishmen embarked on an overnight voyage from Saint Christopher, but were blown out to sea and lost for 17 days. During this time, starving, they cast lots to see who would sacrifice their own life for the others. The lot fell to the man who had suggested the scheme and he consented to his subsequent killing. His body sustained the rest until they made their way to Saint Martin.



They were returned to Saint Christopher where they were put on trial for homicide. The judge pardoned them, their crime being "washed away" by "inevitable necessity". However, though this case was cited in defence of Dudley and Stephens, it was reported only anecdotally some years later in a medical work and not in the law reports.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Dudley_and_Stephens

In the example you cited you claimed the conspired and murdered Richard Parker. However, in the book they actually drew straws in the above example.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

They 3 you presented seem to be the "big-three". They span the best part of 150 years. The Russian spy one is a non-starter for me, especially in light of what Enno revealed.

FFS...

The Russian Spy one came from Mailer himself in an interview. Hello???

Brown Bomber

I forgot the add. The alternative coincidences, The Lone Gunman and Rosenberg's novel both predicted an event that had never happened in the history of the world i.e. a hijacked passenger jet used as a missile by Islamic terrorist group used a missile flown into an American skyscraper. Even after the first plane hit the whole world thought it was a tragic accident, the whole world that is except the 5 MOSSAD agents who had their camera setup for the attack. Furthermore the tv show was aired months before and the novel published just the year before. More than this, in the novel Iraq is attacked and Saddam Hussein is removed.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

FFS...

The Russian Spy one came from Mailer himself in an interview. Hello???

Hi.

Yeah, what Enno revealed, which was that he was arrested 6 whole years after the book published; not when the book was "finished" as you said.

Its no big deal really, even they way you presented it didn't impress me much tbh. I mean how many cold war era novels had Russian spies as characters? And how many Russian spies were stationed in the US at this time? They all had to live somewhere. To be fair the other 2 were interesting though.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I forgot the add. The alternative coincidences, The Lone Gunman and Rosenberg's novel both predicted an event that had never happened in the history of the world i.e. a hijacked passenger jet used as a missile by Islamic terrorist group used a missile flown into an American skyscraper. Even after the first plane hit the whole world thought it was a tragic accident, the whole world that is except the 5 MOSSAD agents who had their camera setup for the attack. Furthermore the tv show was aired months before and the novel published just the year before. More than this, in the novel Iraq is attacked and Saddam Hussein is removed.

The authors preface to The Last Jihad make interesting reading, I don't buy that he was a part of any inside job. Too much of a holy man by the looks of it.

It's not much of a suprise Saddam Hussein featured really. Assuming of course we're talking about the same Saddam Hussein who the US went to war with in 1990/91. They were banging on about WMD's since that time too. Iraq had obstructed the UN's policy to destroy weapons left over since Hussein used chemical weapons on the Kurds in the 1980s.

The plane thing is quite a coincidence, but the US attacking Iraq. I was suprised it took so long. It probably wouldn't have taken as long if 911 hadn't happened to be frank.

I really think buying into a connection in this is grasping at straws to put some kind of theory together.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I mean how many cold war era novels had Russian spies as characters? And how many Russian spies were stationed in the US at this time?

Probably about as many as "Muslim Terrorist" novels by the time it all ends. It was all about South Americian rebels from the late 80's. There's no doubt it's in the public conscious, just like during the cold war. So the meme if you will, crosses over into the art, music and literature just as it did during the cold war.

During the Cold War the anti-government groups were for the main Socialist, red wedge, militant etc. just as today they seem to be truthers.

Culture will always reflect the political climate, just as it did in the First World war and throughout history.