Kicked out at 18?

Fear Uladh

iguana wrote: »

What do you mean he didn't know any better at 15? You don't just snap from a helpless child into an adult on your 18th birthday. You grow up bit by bit. At 15 most people will be able to start working out what he can do. He can talk to his guidance counsellor at school and when he is closer to 18 he can make an appointment with social welfare in order to discuss his options. He could have gotten a part-time job from 16 and started saving.

I don't think that's an ideal way to grow up, but if he knew what his parents were like he should have and could have prepared for that.

So you are saying at 15, while everyone else were enjoying their youth, studying etc, you were speaking with your guidance counsellor? Lets put it another way, what would a guidance counsellor say to a 15 year old child who needs to raise enough money to put himself through college while paying rent, bills etc within three years? Also what does a guidance counsellor say to an underqualified 15 year old in a rescession? "You better get in line now the dole que is getting slightly bigger"?

JJJJNR

Damn I "left" home at 17 to work in London as a chef, best years of my life. F All Education but thats the only downside, had to put myself through college in the end...

WTF would you be doing at home at that age ? playing the ******* playstation..??

Fear Uladh

JJJJNR wrote: »

Damn I "left" home at 17 to work in London as a chef, best years of my life. F All Education but thats the only downside, had to put myself through college in the end...

WTF would you be doing at home at that age ? playing the ******* playstation..??

What are you doing now? *Starts timer*

Dudess

Going to college? Working part-time? Helping out around the house? And yes, maybe playing the Playstation.

Catari Jaguar

Chillaxe wrote: »

The whole argument has been that the guys parents threw him out regardless of whether he needed them or not. That is the reason this thread has gone completely ridiculous. You have one side saying it is tough luck and the other saying they wouldn't see their own children(regardless of age) struggling and wouldn't hesitate in the slightest in helping them. There is a world of difference in helping a sponger and helping your own child.

If the parents were telling him to move out at 18 and gave a lot of warning do you really think he was raised to be completely inept and dependant? He was probably taught how to be a functioning, capable human being from a young age. Maybe even scary, challenging things like setting up a direct debit or using the washing machine :eek:

It was the OP that used the term "kicked out". Who said he was doing his Leaving Cert? He might have done it at 17 as is the average age. He doesn't even state when this supposed kicking out happened. Before a couple of years ago money and jobs were plentiful so he'd have had no bother getting one (as long as minimum wage wasn't beneath him). And it was only VERY recently that the dole for underagers was cut. His parents most likely didn't just wake him up one day with his bags packed and kick him out on the street, laughing behind his back as they changed the locks. :rolleyes:

I knew so many students going around with designer handbags and MAC make up a few years back. All seems ****ing stupid to me. I guess I'm just jealous. All I want is for my Daddy to buy me Armani sunglasses... Maybe your parents will adopt me IamXavier?

I'm 25 now, been working since I was 17 in 5th year, saved all summer to support myself in 6th year. I moved out at 21 (to mind my Gran) and kept a part time job and used my grant to support myself like most of the girls in my college that moved up to Dublin to flat share (having gone to college at 18 themselves).

My big brother kept moving out and back again. Saved up to travel around Asia for 18 months. Returned and got a job in a DIY shop. Dad (retired!) waking him, driving him to work, Mam making his lunch & dinner, doing the cleaning and his laundry. Brother saves enough to **** off to S. America last year and is still there. Well for some eh?

I'm sure many of you see nothing wrong with this picture, after all he's "entitled" to things, it is a different world apparently. I wouldn't do that to my parents. They raised me to have a healthy attitude to money, seems only a handful of posters here understand what I mean... I don't know what everyone is getting so snippy about, maybe you just know I'm right. Gravy train has proved it can't last forever. I wonder which of us will fair better?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

iguana wrote: »

Do you know anything?

You tell me, you seem to know, or at least, think you know...

The cost of living in London is SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER than it is anywhere in Ireland.

It can be, generally it is. So how do you think these people on £65 a week live in london then if it's so expensive? Think about it... Anyway, you are only talking about housing. Everything else is cheaper... you can bla bla bla all you want, England is cheaper than Ireland. Simply put.

As for examples of selfishness well there are your comments

Care to point out some selfish comments? There are none, but you can try quoting some.

and the comments of most adults on this thread who clearly still live with their parents and think that is their right.[/right]

How have you come to this conclusion?

It is not. From 18 onwards whatever the parent provides for their adult children is at their discretion. There is nothing wrong with the anyone availing of that, I did. But there something wrong with assuming they are entitled to that.

Check that again... I have mentioned it a few times. You will find the age is 23, not 18.

[quote=[Deleted User];64802105]Eh...have you ever BEEN to London?[/quote]

I need to be there in order to know anything about it? :rolleyes:

I think you'll find the cost of living is way, way higher than anywhere in Ireland.

It can be, if you're a fool and want it to be that costly. Although, no matter what you may think, it's cheaper than Ireland. You may want to live in kings cross, which will cost you quite a lot, average of about 1K a month. Saying the whole of London is more expensive than anywhere in Ireland is not very intelligent. You can get a room for sweet foook all in kings cross or you can spend 1500 a month on a room...

Plenty of places in Dublin are above 1K. At the moment the exchange rate is about €1 for 90p or there abouts. Not that much in the difference.

Does the british government house the unemployed? How does that work?

Yet most of my friends here (I live in London) who are originally from London moved out at 18 or 19 and are independent adults.

Ye all get blue peter badges, well done...

It's selfish and mean to take advantage of your parents just because you can.

If you are being an ass about it, then yea it is. If your parents are giving, are you selfish and mean to take what they offer? No... no you are not.

Parenting involves much more than financial support. Good parents will always be there to give advice and help - doesn't mean they should be supporting a 35 year old wannabe actor who thinks he's above working in Burger King.

If they do it's their choice. If he benifits from it, so what?

I'm actually cringing at how much of a spoiled brat you come across as.

Cringe all you want... you have been wrong a few times in this thread and post

You sound exactly like the whiny, coddled, immature D4 heads I encountered at Trinity.

Any reason why you want to make this personal? Your inability to debate effectively? More than likely.

You think people must be jealous just because they think sponging off their parents is wrong.

Most are jealous, they begrudge what their friends have. That's the sad part. People getting pissed off because their friends get their clothes washed and meals prepared from them, while they wear the same shítty t-shirt from last week and eat eurosaver maccaroni and cheese microwavable tripe... Jealously will get ye nowhere.

I come from a solid middle class background. My parents live in a very big house in a very nice area and my dad has a very good job.

So? Welcome to modern Ireland... I won't divulge my parents wealth to try get one up on you, that's pretty sad...

Most of my friends are surprised to find this out because I'm not a spoiled brat.

Point being?

I've never wanted for anything and my parents have been amazing, but I was brought up knowing the value of money and being expected to work hard.

As most parents do, this is not an amazing feat, but a very normal one. Sound like normal parents to me.

Bringing your children up to be lazy scroungers is not good parenting.

know any people who raise their children and teach them how to be lazy scroungers? I don't... mainly because it doesn't happen very much if at all...

I know some seriously wealthy people whose kids are expected to work through college and pay rent once they leave college.

I know some people who are seriously poor who gave their children everything so they could have a future and a chance in life the parents didn't have...

It might seem harsh but they don't want their kids turning out like Celtic Tiger cubs.

Helping them out is completely differant to paying for everything. Did they help them out at all? Or were the children left to fend for themselves in every aspect?

iguana wrote: »

Isn't there an extremely generous rental allowance in Ireland?

No, no there's not...

And you still need to pay a portion of your council tax in the UK along with water charges.

Keep comparing, all you want. England is cheaper than Ireland

iguana wrote: »

I don't think very many people think it's unreasonable to stay at home at 18, especially if they are in college. However I think it's extremely unreasonable to treat staying at home as your right. Adult children only stay at home at their parents' generosity as their duty of care has ended.

Again, check that one out. I think this is the 4th or 5th time I mentioned this, yet you are still droning on about 18 being the age your parents don't have to look after you... Go on... check it out

I think kicking your kid out at 18 is an extremely cold act, unless there are specific circumstances which make it necessary. But if the person knew for years that at 18 they would be expected to stand on their own two feet then they should have prepared for that. It's not a nice situation to have to deal with, and I have some sympathy for the guy. But he hasn't been in anyway mistreated by this act.

Eh, he was made homeless by his parents. That is one of the worst things they could have done to him. Mistreated is an understatement...

IvySlayer

Lil Kitten wrote: »

If the parents were telling him to move out at 18 and gave a lot of warning do you really think he was raised to be completely inept and dependant? He was probably taught how to be a functioning, capable human being from a young age. Maybe even scary, challenging things like setting up a direct debit or using the washing machine :eek:

It was the OP that used the term "kicked out". Who said he was doing his Leaving Cert? He might have done it at 17 as is the average age. He doesn't even state when this supposed kicking out happened. Before a couple of years ago money and jobs were plentiful so he'd have had no bother getting one (as long as minimum wage wasn't beneath him). And it was only VERY recently that the dole for underagers was cut. His parents most likely didn't just wake him up one day with his bags packed and kick him out on the street, laughing behind his back as they changed the locks. :rolleyes:

I knew so many students going around with designer handbags and MAC make up a few years back. All seems ****ing stupid to me. I guess I'm just jealous. All I want is for my Daddy to buy me Armani sunglasses... Maybe your parents will adopt me IamXavier?

I'm 25 now, been working since I was 17 in 5th year, saved all summer to support myself in 6th year. I moved out at 21 (to mind my Gran) and kept a part time job and used my grant to support myself like most of the girls in my college that moved up to Dublin to flat share (having gone to college at 18 themselves).

My big brother kept moving out and back again. Saved up to travel around Asia for 18 months. Returned and got a job in a DIY shop. Dad (retired!) waking him, driving him to work, Mam making his lunch & dinner, doing the cleaning and his laundry. Brother saves enough to **** off to S. America last year and is still there. Well for some eh?

I'm sure many of you see nothing wrong with this picture, after all he's "entitled" to things, it is a different world apparently. I wouldn't do that to my parents. They raised me to have a healthy attitude to money, seems only a handful of posters here understand what I mean... I don't know what everyone is getting so snippy about, maybe you just know I'm right. Gravy train has proved it can't last forever. I wonder which of us will fair better?

We're all not like your brother ffs. Some of us are working and paying back towards the households, as the majority of my friends are.

Dudess

Lil Kitten, why didn't you move out at 18? To people of older generations, your life might appear very cushy. And why bring MAC etc into it? That's one extreme, being shown the door without any support is the other. There's no need to give credence to the latter just because of the former.

iguana

Chillaxe wrote: »

So you are saying at 15, while everyone else were enjoying their youth, studying etc, you were speaking with your guidance counsellor?

Hah! I spent a fuçk load of time with the guidance counsellor at that age, especially if I could schedule an appointment during math class. The guidance counsellor was nice and would give you tea and you'd have a comfy chat. What 15 year old wouldn't choose that over a middle aged man talking about theorems?

Chillaxe wrote: »

Lets put it another way, what would a guidance counsellor say to a 15 year old child who needs to raise enough money to put himself through college while paying rent, bills etc within three years? Also what does a guidance counsellor say to an underqualified 15 year old in a rescession? "You better get in line now the dole que is getting slightly bigger"?

Seriously though, they would discuss his options. Talk about what career path he would like to follow and what options he had to follow that without parental support. There are college financial aid programmes and scholarships available. There is the option of applying to UK colleges and availing of the state student loan. There is the option of doing a correspondence degree while working. And probably many more that a guidance counsellor knows about and I don't.

There is also the possibility that the guidance counsellor would talk to the boy's parents and see if they would reconsider when it is explained how difficult things would be for him. Perhaps they could have helped avoid him being told to leave as soon as he reached adulthood. They could have insisted he move out because they think it's in his best interests, the counsellor could have presented them with another perspective.

Like I have said, I don't think it was a nice thing for his parents to do to him, I doubt it's something I would ever do, but it was not a cruel thing. They were not entirely responsible for him ending up on the streets, he did have other options.

Fear Uladh

Lil Kitten wrote: »

If the parents were telling him to move out at 18 and gave a lot of warning do you really think he was raised to be completely inept and dependant? He was probably taught how to be a functioning, capable human being from a young age. Maybe even scary, challenging things like setting up a direct debit or using the washing machine :eek:

It was the OP that used the term "kicked out". Who said he was doing his Leaving Cert? He might have done it at 17 as is the average age. He doesn't even state when this supposed kicking out happened. Before a couple of years ago money and jobs were plentiful so he'd have had no bother getting one (as long as minimum wage wasn't beneath him). And it was only VERY recently that the dole for underagers was cut. His parents most likely didn't just wake him up one day with his bags packed and kick him out on the street, laughing behind his back as they changed the locks. :rolleyes:

I knew so many students going around with designer handbags and MAC make up a few years back. All seems ****ing stupid to me. I guess I'm just jealous. All I want is for my Daddy to buy me Armani sunglasses... Maybe your parents will adopt me IamXavier?

I'm 25 now, been working since I was 17 in 5th year, saved all summer to support myself in 6th year. I moved out at 21 (to mind my Gran) and kept a part time job and used my grant to support myself like most of the girls in my college that moved up to Dublin to flat share (having gone to college at 18 themselves).

My big brother kept moving out and back again. Saved up to travel around Asia for 18 months. Returned and got a job in a DIY shop. Dad (retired!) waking him, driving him to work, Mam making his lunch & dinner, doing the cleaning and his laundry. Brother saves enough to **** off to S. America last year and is still there. Well for some eh?

I'm sure many of you see nothing wrong with this picture, after all he's "entitled" to things, it is a different world apparently. I wouldn't do that to my parents. They raised me to have a healthy attitude to money, seems only a handful of posters here understand what I mean... I don't know what everyone is getting so snippy about, maybe you just know I'm right. Gravy train has proved it can't last forever. I wonder which of us will fair better?

God you will be saying you won the nobel prize next. I have also been living out of home since 17 for different reasons. Looking back now I wish I had stuck it out and got a better education because I couldn't for the life of me get a job for ages. I am only now close to getting my full education and im 23 now.
Just because you had a hard life dosent mean you have to go out of your way to make someone elses difficult. Especially when it is your own child! I feel sorry for the children that are born to parents that believe they should have it as hard as they did even if it means throwing them to the kerb.

Seloth

uriah wrote: »

Mother of God - bodies still forming? There are many eighteen year olds who are parents themselves!!

Yeah and theres also 12 year olds who are too so your point is trumpted.

Human body dosent stop maturing till 21-22

Catari Jaguar

Lane Raspy Mackerel wrote: »

Y
Care to point out some selfish comments? There are none, but you can try quoting some.

It's your whole attitude, EVERYTHING you write. You can't even tell. That's sad

Like this for example:

If you are being an ass about it, then yea it is. If your parents are giving, are you selfish and mean to take what they offer? No... no you are not.

This is called taking advantage of someone's generosity. Most parents will disappear backwards and diaapear up their own asshole for their kids. It's up to you to be decent enough to say, "No it's fine. You relax, I'll take care of myself." Again, concept lost on you...

Most are jealous, they begrudge what their friends have. That's the sad part. People getting pissed off because their friends get their clothes washed and meals prepared from them, while they wear the same shítty t-shirt from last week and eat eurosaver maccaroni and cheese microwavable tripe... Jealously will get ye nowhere.

Yea, it's the friends that are sad... :rolleyes: Some people that move out are capable of putting on a wash and buying and cooking a healthy meal. Some people even get satisfaction out of that. I always find that the jealousy argument is used when someone has run out of logical points.

know any people who raise their children and teach them how to be lazy scroungers? I don't... mainly because it doesn't happen very much if at all...

Ever hear of KIPPERS?

Indeed the figures suggest almost a third of men (and a fifth of women) aged 20-34 in the UK are back in their family homes. The so-called KIPPERS (Kids in Parents' Pockets Eroding Retirement Savings) are trapped by financial uncertainty and the cost of housing.

I wonder what the statistics for Ireland are?

Dudess

Lil Kitten wrote: »

seems only a handful of posters here understand what I mean... I don't know what everyone is getting so snippy about, maybe you just know I'm right.

Posters here understand you disagree with people being spoilt brats, they don't think the guy's parents were right though - there's a difference.
It's as if the only alternative to turfing him out was to spoil him, when there's an ocean in between.

iguana

Lane Raspy Mackerel wrote: »

Keep comparing, all you want. England is cheaper than Ireland

London is far more expensive than anywhere in Ireland by a long, long way and people in London only get £65 a week. Luxuries, like eating out, electronics and communications can be cheaper here but the actual basics that people need to survive are more expensive. You have to pay for every last drop of water that comes out of your tap. You have to pay the council for your right to live in your area. And you get far less money to cover all that with. There are plenty of people on the dole in London and they get by, it's tough, but it's possible. And it's easier in Ireland.

Lane Raspy Mackerel wrote: »

Again, check that one out. I think this is the 4th or 5th time I mentioned this, yet you are still droning on about 18 being the age your parents don't have to look after you... Go on... check it out

I have checked it out. You are an adult in Ireland at 18. You are either talking complete nonsense, trolling or you have the completely misinterpreted the allowances given to parents with adult dependents in full-time education.

Catari Jaguar

Dudess wrote: »

Lil Kitten, why didn't you move out at 18?

Unfortunately, I was extremely under thumb and I wasn't "allowed" to. I was constantly told about how hard the "real world" was and that I'd never survive. Pretty twisted. I had that parental fear and lack of self belief thing going on til I was about 20! :rolleyes: So pretty much the opposite of the OP's friend. I was freaked out when I moved out but turns out... real world = not that hard! Even when you have yourself and a 90 year old to mind! You just grow up fast and it slots into place. I really enjoyed that I did things for myself and was financially independent. Wish I had left sooner and moved in with friends after my LC. College would have been a lot better.

Enough of my life story!!

IvySlayer

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Unfortunately, I was extremely under thumb and I wasn't "allowed" to. I was constantly told about how hard the "real world" was and that I'd never survive. Pretty twisted. I had that parental fear and lack of self belief thing going on til I was about 20! :rolleyes: So pretty much the opposite of the OP's friend. I was freaked out when I moved out but turns out... real world = not that hard! Even when you have yourself and a 90 year old to mind! You just grow up fast and it slots into place. I really enjoyed that I did things for myself and was financially independent. Wish I had left sooner and moved in with friends after my LC. College would have been a lot better.

Enough of my life story!!

Maybe in their opinon 18 was too young to move out? God forbid them for trying to protect their child. Tie you down did they? You were an adult, you could've moved out without permission.

Also, I look forward to the day you tell your 16 year old s/he's moving out at 18.

darkman2

darkman2 wrote: »

I know a guy that was kicked out of his (very nice) house at 18. His parents told him that come 18 he was out whether he had a roof over his head or not (he told me this at 15 or 16). 18 and he was gone (no roof). And so he was. Don't know what happened to the guy except that the parents were as good as their word. What do you think? Is it a rough to be kind type situation or a bastardly situation?


TBH I wish I was kicked out at 18 - it would have thought me a thing or two very bloody quick!

to be honest no matter what walk of life or culture or religion you are from, this goes against the basic essentials of what family is for and goes against the basic paternal instincts of a human being. it is quite shocking. i mean they could have given him more responsibilities and chores around the house. fact is they wanted more time for the old 'hows your father'.

Catari Jaguar

IvySlayer wrote: »

Maybe in their opinon 18 was too young to move out? God forbid them for trying to protect their child. Tie you down did they? You were an adult, you could've moved out without permission.

Also, I look forward to the day you tell your 16 year old s/he's moving out at 18.

Adult at 18? Um. this thread CLEARLY states that you are a child until the age of 23!

Protect their child from what....?

Seems here that if an 18 year old by choice moves up to Dublin for college and gets a part time job it's all fine and dandy..

BUT

If a parents tells them to leave it's inhumane and the now refered to as "child" can never survive.

It's one or the ****ing other guys!! I could take care of myself, it was listening to that crap that made me self doubting. I had always been responsible and able to work and save and study etc. Living at home getting minded at 20 was what was bad for me. You don't even appreciate it at the time. I am shocked at the brothers at home watching TV dossing about and Mam cooking and stuff. But tbh, she's doing them no favours.

My 18 year old will prob move out for college. That's cool with me. Tellin your child you're no longer financially supoorting them is not the same as cutting them out of your life. You're not saying "Once you're 18, I'm not loving you anymore or helping you with any problems you may encounter" I love how money is equated with care and support here. Says it all really.

I hope my own child has my mindset. Which they will cos I'll raise them that way. The financial help will be there, but she most likely won't need it.

bnt

I'm "older", relatively, a guy from a different country who grew up in a 3rd country. It's not like it was in the old days or in other places, when young people leaving school had all kinds of options open to them. Run away to sea, join the military, start an apprenticeship (which I did), go and work on a farm ... now it seems that you're nobody unless you've been to university, even if what you do there is of no practical use whatsoever. McDonalds might take you on, but that's a job; not a career, not a future.

So that's another three or four years of delayed adulthood, but where else can you go in Ireland at 18? You haven't really left home if you can go back every weekend to get your laundry done ... the situation in Italy has already been mentioned, and that's where Ireland is heading if the cost of living keeps climbing as it has been.

Lane Raspy Mackerel

Lane Raspy Mackerel wrote: »

I need to be there in order to know anything about it? :rolleyes:

Eh...yes, you need to know what you're talking about or you're just talking out of your a*se. I've lived in Ireland and England, and you're very, very wrong if you think Dublin is anywhere near as expensive as London.

It can be, if you're a fool and want it to be that costly. Although, no matter what you may think, it's cheaper than Ireland. You may want to live in kings cross, which will cost you quite a lot, average of about 1K a month. Saying the whole of London is more expensive than anywhere in Ireland is not very intelligent. You can get a room for sweet foook all in kings cross or you can spend 1500 a month on a room...

You said Kings Cross was expensive, then you said you can get a room for sweet FA in Kings Cross. Which is it? You have no idea what you're talking about. I live in London. Even the worst kip of a house in the worst kip of an area is expensive. Or perhaps you think £530+ pcm plus bills and council tax isn't expensive. Perhaps you are forgetting that if you live out in zones 4 or 5, your weekly travel costs are ridiculously high. Perhaps you don't know how low a lot of the salaries are in London, or what the minimum wage is.

Plenty of places in Dublin are above 1K. At the moment the exchange rate is about €1 for 90p or there abouts. Not that much in the difference.

Plenty of nice, big apartments you can have all to yourself in nice areas are above 1K. You wouldn't get a horrid little bedsit for that in most parts of London.

If you are being an ass about it, then yea it is. If your parents are giving, are you selfish and mean to take what they offer? No... no you are not.

Just because parents offer doesn't mean you have to take it. Lots of parents are well intentioned and worried about their kids - that doesn't mean you should just take, take, take. You really don't have to take everything offered to you. It's quite nice standing on your own two feet, you should try it sometime.

Cringe all you want... you have been wrong a few times in this thread and post

Oh so we can be right or wrong now, can we? Incredible arrogance there. You might want to educate yourself a bit more if you want to talk of right and wrong, as most of your info on London is complete garbage. I wouldn't be as crass as to dismiss your opinions as being 'wrong', however.

Any reason why you want to make this personal? Your inability to debate effectively? More than likely.

I can debate just fine, thanks. It was simply an observation.

Most are jealous, they begrudge what their friends have. That's the sad part. People getting pissed off because their friends get their clothes washed and meals prepared from them, while they wear the same shítty t-shirt from last week and eat eurosaver maccaroni and cheese microwavable tripe... Jealously will get ye nowhere.

No, you think they're jealous. I could think of nothing worse than having to live with Mammy and Daddy as an adult, having to ring home if I was going to be late for my dinner, as if I were a ten year old. I actually felt quite sorry for people still stuck at home during college. The whole student house thing was a huge part of the college experience for me. Horses for courses.

So? Welcome to modern Ireland... I won't divulge my parents wealth to try get one up on you, that's pretty sad...

Haha you're actually pulling that card, after accusing another poster of being jealous and rubbing it in her face that you've been lucky? You're really something else. My point was, my parents are as wealthy or even better off than those of the people parading around in Abercrombie hoodies acting like their sh*t didn't stink. I just wasn't brought up to believe the world owed me anything.

As most parents do, this is not an amazing feat, but a very normal one. Sound like normal parents to me.

Your posts don't strike me as being written by someone who knows the value of money.

know any people who raise their children and teach them how to be lazy scroungers? I don't... mainly because it doesn't happen very much if at all...

Yep. Loads. I used to give grinds in South Dublin and could hardly believe the sense of entitlement among the 16-17 year olds. I've never, ever seen anything like it. I go to college with former Etonians, my sister's friends are all Cambridge students from seriously wealthy backgrounds, and I've still never seen anything like the spoiled South Dublin princess.

I know some people who are seriously poor who gave their children everything so they could have a future and a chance in life the parents didn't have...

Me too. That's great, once the kids appreciate it. I'd love to give my kids as much as I could. The moment I felt they were becoming spoiled or taking it all for granted, that would be it. I'd be ashamed to raise a spoiled, entitled Celtic Tiger cub-like brat.

IvySlayer

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Adult at 18? Um. this thread CLEARLY states that you are a child until the age of 23!

Protect their child from what....?

Seems here that if an 18 year old by choice moves up to Dublin for college and gets a part time job it's all fine and dandy..

BUT

If a parents tells them to leave it's inhumane and the now refered to as "child" can never survive.

It's one or the ****ing other guys!! I could take care of myself, it was listening to that crap that made me self doubting. I had always been responsible and able to work and save and study etc. Living at home getting minded at 20 was what was bad for me. You don't even appreciate it at the time. I am shocked at the brothers at home watching TV dossing about and Mam cooking and stuff. But tbh, she's doing them no favours.

My 18 year old will prob move out for college. That's cool with me. Tellin your child you're no longer financially supoorting them is not the same as cutting them out of your life. You're not sayong "Once you're 18 I'm not loving you anymore or helping you with any problems you may encounter" I love how money is equated with care and support here. Says it all really.

I hope my own child has my mindset. Which they will cos I'll raise them that way. The financial help will be there, but she most likely won't need it.

I wish you the best of the luck in raising your child in your own way, that's your perogative, what will happen if the daddy is the spoiler? :pac:

Fear Uladh

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Adult at 18? Um. this thread CLEARLY states that you are a child until the age of 23!

Protect their child from what....?

Seems here that if an 18 year old by choice moves up to Dublin for college and gets a part time job it's all fine and dandy..

BUT

If a parents tells them to leave it's inhumane and the now refered to as "child" can never survive.

It's one or the ****ing other guys!! I could take care of myself, it was listening to that crap that made me self doubting. I had always been responsible and able to work and save and study etc. Living at home getting minded at 20 was what was bad for me. You don't even appreciate it at the time. I am shocked at the brothers at home watching TV dossing about and Mam cooking and stuff. But tbh, she's doing them no favours.

My 18 year old will prob move out for college. That's cool with me. Tellin your child you're no longer financially supoorting them is not the same as cutting them out of your life. You're not sayong "Once you're 18 I'm not loving you anymore or helping you with any problems you may encounter" I love how money is equated with care and support here. Says it all really.

I hope my own child has my mindset. Which they will cos I'll raise them that way. The financial help will be there, but she most likely won't need it.

Two points with in this sentence.

You can raise your child right but I think its wrong to force your child to be exactly what you are, I would resent it.

Also you said the financial help will be there, thats what we have been saying the entire time, you wouldn't have he/she starve or living on the street.:)

Catari Jaguar

IvySlayer wrote: »

I wish you the best of the luck in raising your child in your own way, that's your perogative, what will happen if the daddy is the spoiler? :pac:

Probably will be, if he's anything like his Mammy

iguana

[quote=[Deleted User];64803878]Plenty of nice, big apartments you can have all to yourself in nice areas are above 1K. You wouldn't get a horrid little bedsit for that in most parts of London.[/QUOTE]

This couldn't be more true. We are currently planning a move back to Dublin and the price of rentals is almost making me weep with joy. And that's before I start haggling because there are so many places on the market the asking rents are aspirational on the part of the landlord. To top it off, no council tax, no water rates and the ability to walk to work so no travelcard. Oh happy, happy, joy, joy!:D:cool::D

Lots of things are much more expensive. Eating out, tv, phone and broadband, luxury goods, but none of those are essentials. And ime, groceries even out, in general meat and dairy are more expensive in England, bread and fruit are more expensive in Ireland. Basic living is much cheaper in Dublin than it is in London. I feel giddy at how rich we'll be when we move home.

There was certainly a point 4-5 years ago when it was much, much more expensive to purchase property in Dublin, which was a well touted fact. And that coupled with the fact that we are arguing this point with someone who clearly can't see past how cheap nights out and mobiles are in England, but has no idea about budgeting for essentials is what is responsible for his misconception.

Catari Jaguar

Dudess wrote: »

Posters here understand you disagree with people being spoilt brats, they don't think the guy's parents were right though - there's a difference.

I guess it was calling them cnuts, saying they'd only put them in a retirement home til 80, punch them in the face or never talk to them again that misled me about the sense of entitlement these ingrateful, seemingly spoiled posters have :rolleyes:

Catari Jaguar

iguana wrote: »

This couldn't be more true. We are currently planning a move back to Dublin and the price of rentals is almost making me weep with joy.

Hahah, seeing how expensive Dublin is compared to the countryside/ other Irish cities makes me want to weep. And not with joy!

Catari Jaguar

IvySlayer wrote: »

You're 25, why are you speaking like you are in your 40s? You're a 'Celtic Tiger cub' too.

No, I'm not. I was never spoiled. I missed that waste, greed and sense of entitlement that defines a cub. Thank **** for that! Just because I was born to this generation does not make me a product of it. My parents never really benefitted hugely from the Celtic Tiger. No new cars, house extension, massive 18th/21st party or foreign holidays. Just my dad doing his normal job that he did all my life and my Mam stayed at home. Good times though

IvySlayer

Lil Kitten wrote: »

No, I'm not. I was never spoiled. I missed that waste, greed and sense of entitlement that defines a cub. Thank **** for that! Just because I was born to this generation does not make me a product of it. My parents never really benefitted hugely from the Celtic Tiger. No new cars, house extension, massive 18th/21st party or foreign holidays. Just my dad doing his normal job that he did all my life and my Mam stayed at home. Good times though

Not all of us were spoiled. Wow you have a massive chip on your shoulder.

Catari Jaguar

IvySlayer wrote: »

Not all of us were spoiled. Wow you have a massive chip on your shoulder.

Are you a cub? No, then this doesn't apply to you. Did I say you were all spoiled? No.

Chip on my shoulder.. Yea right. Astounding and dumbfounded by how many people can't get their head around the fact that some of us just aren't interested in all that shallow crap that came with flash, crass, New Money Ireland.

Sofaspud

Lil Kitten wrote: »

I guess it was calling them cnuts, saying they'd only put them in a retirement home til 80, punch them in the face or never talk to them again that misled me about the sense of entitlement these ingrateful, seemingly spoiled posters have :rolleyes:

So if your parents, or indeed anyone, forced you out of what had been your home your whole life, seemingly when you had nowhere else to go, you wouldn't think they were cnuts?

And why should they be supported in a retirement home? Surely they should have saved enough to support themselves, they were given a bit more than a 3-year deadline.