Buying a car from Japcars.ie(Dublin)

peposhi

Hi, everyone...
I have a little issue here. I went today to Jap Cars Dublin and I've chosen one Toyota Vitz. Car was fine, suited me and my wife and we paid 500 euro deposit... I've signed a docket for the deposit but I've noticed that my name was under seller' section and under purchaser' section was Jap Cars Dublin and they've asked me for my PPSN?!? Is that some mistake or is the way it has to be... Car is NCT guaranteed, 3 months warranty on engine and gearbox... The other thing I've just realised is that the car has no reg number - does this mean that a VRT has not been paid and I'd have to take care of that?

If anyone could give me an idea, would be nice. I'm very confused now and I'm afraid I've made a mistake here...

qz

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Tigger

right this is my opinion on thgis practise in general i';m probably wrong in this caase but you need top explain to them that they have confused you on the situation

could be callec fraudif its this practise but its up to the customs man to find it
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it is no biggy unless you need it to be

this is a trick that some (not nessiciarly this company) companies use

they haave aa car in a jap name
the\y will imprt it under you vrt and vst account (every one has one its linked to your pps num,ber)

this is sothey don'y get screwed with the revenue knowing how much they are importing and so they can be laxadaisy with the tax implications

Tigger

qz wrote: »

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lol obviously not as waty of litigation as i am

qz

Tigger wrote: »

lol obviously not as waty of litigation as i am

lol obviously not as sober as i am

Omega28

qz wrote: »

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totally agree.

Been up there a few times, buckets of dirt for crazy money. I'd rather walk.
Im sure their warranty is as good as the warranty on a Del Boy VHS player

Omega28

Tigger wrote: »

right this is my opinion on thgis practise in general i';m probably wrong in this caase but you need top explain to them that they have confused you on the situation

could be callec fraudif its this practise but its up to the customs man to find it
#
it is no biggy unless you need it to be

this is a trick that some (not nessiciarly this company) companies use

they haave aa car in a jap name
the\y will imprt it under you vrt and vst account (every one has one its linked to your pps num,ber)

this is sothey don'y get screwed with the revenue knowing how much they are importing and so they can be laxadaisy with the tax implications

english please

Eoin

qz - you can't use terms like that here. Please keep it factual.

Dylanmc111 wrote: »

english please

Not everyone here is a native English speaker.

PCPhoto

Dylanmc111 wrote: »

english please

company imports the car in buyers name (so revenue doesn't see how many vehicles the company brings in...if revenue doesnt see the company importing the car then revenue cant get 100% accurate "payments" in the companies revenue bills)

Omega28

PCPhoto wrote: »

company imports the car in buyers name (so revenue doesn't see how many vehicles the company brings in...if revenue doesnt see the company importing the car then revenue cant get 100% accurate "payments" in the companies revenue bills)

thanks:)

peposhi

PCPhoto wrote: »

company imports the car in buyers name (so revenue doesn't see how many vehicles the company brings in...if revenue doesnt see the company importing the car then revenue cant get 100% accurate "payments" in the companies revenue bills)

If that's the problem I'd be ok...
I'm worried that they'd ask me to pay VRT myself, something I'd avoid easily, had I been in contact with a Toyota dealer for example.

We'll they trick me and make me pay VRT myself?

hunter164

Been up there before meself. Seem like a bunch of gangsters tbh.

Low Energy Eng

give the car a major once over...thats all i'll say...

peposhi

Low Energy Eng wrote: »

give the car a major once over...thats all i'll say...

I didn't get that?

Tigger

PCPhoto wrote: »

company imports the car in buyers name (so revenue doesn't see how many vehicles the company brings in...if revenue doesnt see the company importing the car then revenue cant get 100% accurate "payments" in the companies revenue bills)

your hired

Midnight_EG

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I was looking for an S13 Silvia with a friend, found one for a couple hundred quid with these lads, so we rang them up and asked for other details etc, told us to ring back in a few minutes as the car was definetly there.

So we waited, then rang....about 10 times, no answer at all, rang again, texted a few times, only to have them answer and say the car was being looked at at the moment, then they hung up. Rang back a few minutes later and they literally said 'Car is sold,end of' and hung up!

And they offered me €100 for my Civic, which is apparently all they see it's fit for?


Pfft!

peposhi

looks like I got into troubles...:(

Midnight_EG

I also find it hilarious that they're called Jap Cars, but sell German and Italian cars too :'D

msg11

peposhi wrote: »

looks like I got into troubles...:(

I would walk with your money. I just hear bad experiances from people about this place. I went up one day to find out myself.

Ask him about a trade in for a Mivec off a GSR.

Said two grand :rolleyes:, open my bonnet looked, then closed it.

That was it for me, if that was the inspection. I wonder what type of a car I was going to be buying..

peposhi

Do you think I have a right to cancel the contract and take my deposit back if I have been misled and not correctly informed what I was buying? should I mention Garda, lawyers or TAX revenue office if they refuse to give me my money back?

CreepingDeath

peposhi wrote: »

Hi, everyone...
I have a little issue here. I went today to Jap Cars Dublin and I've chosen one Toyota Vitz.

One other thing, insurance companies tend not to like imported cars.
So you may want to ring around for quotes on that particular model.

I've an imported Toyota Celica and sometimes I can't even get an insurance quote online because insurance companies refuse to insure imported cars.

Absurdum

if you do a search for them here and on various other motoring sites in Ireland, you'll quickly learn that you should take you money elsewhere...their reputation isn't exactly good

Atomic Pineapple

peposhi wrote: »

Do you think I have a right to cancel the contract and take my deposit back if I have been misled and not correctly informed what I was buying? should I mention Garda, lawyers or TAX revenue office if they refuse to give me my money back?

I haven't read the thread in depth but how were you mislead?

Eoin

Do not use emotive terms to describe any dealer. Facts only please.

peposhi

draffodx wrote: »

I haven't read the thread in depth but how were you mislead?

Please, excuse my English. I probably haven't said it the right way. The idea was - if they make me pay a VRT without informing me before signing the papers, I believe this is a misleading.

Absurdum

peposhi wrote: »

Please, excuse my English. I probably haven't said it the right way. The idea was - if they make me pay a VRT without informing me before signing the papers, I believe this is a misleading.

Your English is better than many here

Unless they have stated that the price does not include VRT then there's no way that you would have to pay it on top of what you agreed to pay for the car. The Vitz is a Japanese imported Yaris so it won't have any number plates until it is registered here and VRT is paid, unlike say a UK car which may be sold on UK plates without VRT being paid.

In my opinion, you might get a better deal if you just buy an Irish Yaris from a main Toyota dealer as they are no more expensive than the Vitz you are looking at from the Jap Cars crowd, there's a lot to be said for the peace of mind that buying from a reputable dealer gives.

Atomic Pineapple

peposhi wrote: »

Please, excuse my English. I probably haven't said it the right way. The idea was - if they make me pay a VRT without informing me before signing the papers, I believe this is a misleading.

They wont do that, they will have included the price of VRT in the price of the car, they have to register it for you and so have to pay the VRT.

Eoin

I am pretty sure that a dealer must sell the car to you on Irish plates. I'lll try and find a source online for this.

Absurdum

a quick search on google brings up some interesting results/opinions on Jap Cars Dublin....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055156788
http://www.dtdirl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40180
http://www.manic-motorz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19719&highlight=japcarsdublin
http://www.octane.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=34571

Saab Ed

OP have you any link to this car so we can give our opinion on it. Some of these jap import dealers ask and get mad money for cars. All I can say from my days of selling jappos ( many many moons ago ) is that they are ALL clocked. Every single one.

peposhi

Saab Ed wrote: »

OP have you any link to this car so we can give our opinion on it. Some of these jap import dealers ask and get mad money for cars. All I can say from my days of selling jappos ( many many moons ago ) is that they are ALL clocked. Every single one.

That's the one

http://carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=486203&r=s.php%3Fm%3D88%26amp%3Bo%3D1172%26amp%3Bg%3D0

I'm trading in my Honda HRV... too hard on petrol...

Atomic Pineapple

Saab Ed wrote: »

OP have you any link to this car so we can give our opinion on it. Some of these jap import dealers ask and get mad money for cars. All I can say from my days of selling jappos ( many many moons ago ) is that they are ALL clocked. Every single one.

Its a fair assumption to say a high percentage are clocked but you cant say they ALL are.

R.O.R

peposhi wrote: »

That's the one

http://carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=486203&r=s.php%3Fm%3D88%26amp%3Bo%3D1172%26amp%3Bg%3D0

I'm trading in my Honda HRV... too hard on petrol...

Hmmm.....

Ad removed or expired. Wonder if someone is reading this?

peposhi

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Make:
Toyota

Model:
Vitz

Year:
2003

Price:
€ 5,250

Mileage:
22,991 miles/
36,999 km

Fuel type:
Petrol

Engine size:
1.0

Colour:
Metallic Silver

Body:
Hatchback

Owners:
1

Transmission:
Automatic

Last update:
16/02/2010

Comments:
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The advert has been deleted...

I couldn't get the pictures

peposhi

R.O.R wrote: »

Hmmm.....

Ad removed or expired. Wonder if someone is reading this?

Yes, 8.5 - 9.5l/100km is too hard for me... I'm used to 5.506 l/100km

peposhi

I rang Jap Cars and they've said the car would be ready for me on Tuesday and they are paying VRT. Fingers crossed I've chosen a good car. There where good and bad comments about them. We'll see

colm_mcm

The ad is removed because the OP bought it.


Personally I wouldn't buy a spark plug from them, not to mind an entire car.

peposhi

Probably I'm stubborn, but I do believe I'm getting a good car. That's how I feel from that what I saw... and I drove the car for a while... happy enough

Right 1st Time

A 7 year old car and only 23000 miles! Id be looking to get some kind of report on that it seems very low for an 03 car

Eoin

It might be an alarm bell, but 3000 miles a year on a type of car that's often a second family car used for short journeys isn't that unbelievable. Plus, I think the average Japanese mileage is lower than ours.

Graham_B18C

peposhi wrote: »

Probably I'm stubborn, but I do believe I'm getting a good car. That's how I feel from that what I saw... and I drove the car for a while... happy enough

Been reading car forums for about two years now and I have never ever heard one good report for them.

You should try get a better warrenty. Even a 3 Month Full Warrenty rather than Engine & Gearbox

colm_mcm

See if they have the auction sheet from when it came from Japan. that'll have the mileage on it. You can be sure they'll have lost it.

peposhi

colm_mcm wrote: »

See if they have the auction sheet from when it came from Japan. that'll have the mileage on it. You can be sure they'll have lost it.

A missing auction list couldn't be used to stop the deal, could it?

Atomic Pineapple

peposhi wrote: »

A missing auction list couldn't be used to stop the deal, could it?

You can stop the deal if you want but you'll lose your deposit.

Japanese mileage is often way lower than ours, even so its still low enough to set alarm bells ringing.

I'd have the car mechanically checked out as when i was up there (3 years ago) they had cars that were in a shocking state

peposhi

draffodx wrote: »

You can stop the deal if you want but you'll lose your deposit.

Japanese mileage is often way lower than ours, even so its still low enough to set alarm bells ringing.

I'd have the car mechanically checked out as when i was up there (3 years ago) they had cars that were in a shocking state

I have a friend, very good mechanic. I'm thinking to take him with me there before I pay the rest of the money. If he's not satisfied, then I should walk away and swallow a big one...

colm_mcm

It'll need auto trans fluid changed, also make sure auxillary belts are done (doesn't have timing belt) and that the tyres on it went on since it was in Japan.
Also make sure the radio works to your satisfaction - if it's the Jap spec one you won't have radio station names, alternative frequency function and the displayed frequency won't be the actual frequency. You also may need to fit an immobiliser for your insurance.

I may be way out here, but I think the NCT technically are supposed to make sure the tyres are E marked. Aside from that, any Japanese car I've had experience of came in on tyres that were unsafe despite having sufficent tread.

qz

peposhi wrote: »

I have a friend, very good mechanic. I'm thinking to take him with me there before I pay the rest of the money. If he's not satisfied, then I should walk away and swallow a big one...

It's the best thing to do in the situation I think, it's either that or (more than likely) find out you bought a dog and 'have to swallow an even bigger one'.

underpaid

Hi, make sure you get a warrenty with it AND make sure you get that in writing, have heard from frineds that he can be slightly rude if people come back with genuine faults with a car bought there

kazul

colm_mcm wrote: »

It'll need auto trans fluid changed, also make sure auxillary belts are done (doesn't have timing belt)

Why?

colm_mcm

Between coming from Japan and getting on the forecourt the car will have been sitting up for ages, causing flat spots on the tyres, and faster deterioration of the automatic transmission fluid, you should change this every 30k anyway and there will be no service history - bad fluid will wear out the box and there may be metal shavings etc in the fluid also if the fluid has overheated at any stage its fecked.

Belts on the imports I've seen have been badly cracked, Any half decent garage would have done these and he'll be talking to a brick wall if he wants it done afterwards.

kazul

Maybe I'm just lucky with my damaged-repaired, clocked, jap import ex-taxi but I just changed an auxilliary belt tensioner a while ago and left the glazed cracked ones on. Helps that I have a spare set and a toolbox in the boot and a small bit of knowledge and lots of patience/work to keep her running smoothly
Dunno if my ATF was ever changed, it's pretty dark but only a small clunk into 2nd and no other hassles.