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Garda Reserve Duties & Powers

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    #62
    brotherrabbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭brotherrabbit


    well folks.i'm new to boards.ie
    i applied to the GR and got through the interview and test stage. awaiting the medical. in the training is radio use covered and are GR equipped with radios while on patrol?


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    #63
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    Hi,
    In phase 3 i think that radio procedures are covered. Depending on the station you may or may not get a radio. Full timers would be equiped beofre reserves. All Gardaí have to do a course in order for them to be able to use the Tetra radios, reserves do this course and can use Tetra when on duty. :)


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    #64
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    brotherrabbit wrote: »
    well folks.i'm new to boards.ie
    i applied to the GR and got through the interview and test stage. awaiting the medical. in the training is radio use covered and are GR equipped with radios while on patrol?

    Radio (TETRA) is covered under a separate half day course. Reserves are issued with pool radios, depending on availability in the station. If they are not availabile you can be assigned to beats as the full time member will have theirs with them.
    Quick note on the medical, as stated in a previous post, lay of ipods and loud music 24 hours before hand, as the hearing test is though.
    Best of luck


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    #65
    jmc1546
    Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭jmc1546


    When can you apply to do the Tettra course? Im on phase 4 now. Im guessing you cant do the pepper spray course untill you graduate?
    Where do you do them? Local District or down in templemore??


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    #66
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    jmc1546 wrote: »
    When can you apply to do the Tettra course? Im on phase 4 now. Im guessing you cant do the pepper spray course untill you graduate?
    Where do you do them? Local District or down in templemore??


    You can normally do both courses in your local district, ask your skipper if he can find out for you when courses are on. You don't have to be graduated to do the pepper spray course, however as with your ASP it won't be issued to you until you are attested. Most stations have a pool of pepper sprays and radios and are issued to you by your skipper when you are assigned out door duties. Once you have the courses done you should ask your skipper if a radio is available as it is an invaluable tool when out side and he may not remember/think to give it to you.
    Hope this helps, best of luck.


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    #67
    brotherrabbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭brotherrabbit


    Cheers for all the good advise!, guys is most of the training done in temple more or at the regional center???


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    #68
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    Some really good info in here guys, thanks to everyone!


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    #69
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    brotherrabbit wrote: »
    Cheers for all the good advise!, guys is most of the training done in temple more or at the regional center???

    Phase 1 and 3 are held in the college. 2 day.
    Phase 2 legal studies is in your assigned CPD training centre.
    Phase 4 is in your station.
    Phase 5 is your graduation in the college.

    All other training is usually carried out in regional centre.
    ASP training may be in Templemore or regional centres.


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    #70
    walkthisway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭walkthisway


    magumadoo wrote: »
    Phase 1 and 3 are held in the college. 2 day.
    Phase 2 legal studies is in your assigned CPD training centre.
    Phase 4 is in your station.
    Phase 5 is your graduation in the college.

    All other training is usually carried out in regional centre.
    ASP training may be in Templemore or regional centres.

    Hi guys, can reserves do the pepper spraycourse while on probabtion???


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    #71
    lehanemore
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭lehanemore


    walkthisway wrote: »
    Hi guys, can reserves do the pepper spraycourse while on probabtion???

    Yes.


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    #72
    reserve Garda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭reserve Garda


    hello people just worndering is any one else working xmas eve or xmas night???


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    #73
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    reserve Garda wrote: »
    hello people just worndering is any one else working xmas eve or xmas night???

    No way man, Santa Clause is comming have to be in bed by 10
    :D:D:D:D

    Happy Christmas to all.


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    #74
    lehanemore
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭lehanemore


    reserve Garda wrote: »
    hello people just worndering is any one else working xmas eve or xmas night???


    I'm working St Stephen's night..("Boxing" night:pac:)


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    #75
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    Can a reserve issue a fixed charged notice for offences relating to the powers they have. e.g failure to act in accordance with garda signal and
    Failure to stop when so required by a member of the Garda Síochána?


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    #76
    munster4868
    Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    eru123 wrote: »
    Can a reserve issue a fixed charged notice for offences relating to the powers they have. e.g failure to act in accordance with garda signal and
    Failure to stop when so required by a member of the Garda Síochána?

    Yes


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    #77
    RoversFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭RoversFanatic


    Just a quick repost from the politics thread, regarding the fact that we are not allowed to bring our pepper spray home with us. I made the point that our full time colleagues are free to do this, and so why shouldn't we? Are we inferior, or are we equals doing the same job?
    Are we not to be trusted with it? We've put in the hard weekends in Templemore and are giving freely of our time for a few hours every month, so it just feels like a vote of no-confidence in us.
    Ditto the fact that we're not allowed to drive patrol cars. If they want us in there, why don't they allow us to make ourselves useful?


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    #78
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    RoversFanatic wrote: »
    I joined the GR over a year ago and am really enjoying it. I have a grievance, however. Why I am not allowed to bring home my pepper spray? Full-time members are, so why amn't I? Are we not all equals, doing the one job?
    Could this issue be raised, if some sort of representative organisation for reservists came into being?

    Rover

    Why would you want to bring home your spray ?????

    Remember it is consider a non lethal weapon and the risk of having it stolen or accidently activated increase if you have it outside the station when you are off duty. Wont like to explain that one to the Inspector


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    #79
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    RoversFanatic wrote: »
    I know it can be seen. And I wasn't suggesting that I wanted to bring it home. It's simply the principle of it that annoys me.
    Are we not to be trusted with it? We've put in the hard weekends in Templemore and are giving freely of our time for a few hours every month, so it just feels like a vote of no-confidence in us.
    Ditto the fact that we're not allowed to drive patrol cars. If they want us in there, why don't they allow us to make ourselves useful?

    Rover

    Dont think its a vote of no confidence. Most of the rules are there to protect us and you need to think outside the box ( ie what would happen if ??.)

    The same philosophy goes for driving an offical vehicle. What would happen if we were allowed drive , what if we were involved in an accident , if we injured a member of the public or even worse. Remember not all full timers are drivers , the skill and experience to drive a vehicle at high speed is aquired over time and through rigourous training. It requires a certain temprement and a particular skills which are not present in everyone. Just like in the general public there are good drivers and bad drivers but when in charge of an offical state vehicle you have to be a excellent driver all the time not just some of the time as your proformance behind the wheel will be judged by all , all of the time.

    Would you want that kind of responsibility ?


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    #80
    TylerIE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    RoversFanatic wrote: »
    Just a quick repost from the politics thread, regarding the fact that we are not allowed to bring our pepper spray home with us. I made the point that our full time colleagues are free to do this, and so why shouldn't we? Are we inferior, or are we equals doing the same job?
    Are we not to be trusted with it? We've put in the hard weekends in Templemore and are giving freely of our time for a few hours every month, so it just feels like a vote of no-confidence in us.
    Ditto the fact that we're not allowed to drive patrol cars. If they want us in there, why don't they allow us to make ourselves useful?


    AFAIK in general full time colleagues would generally keep their CS gas in station in their locker. Also I believe in the UK specials (who have been around over 100 years) are usually required to keep it in their lockers. Would you really like the responsibility of securing it off duty? or having to keep your car 100% secure when travelling home? Iv dealt with Police (overseas) who have accidentally discharged their protection sprays, and its not a pleasant experience.

    Re Driving in the UK Specials drive BUT...

    Its usually limited to driving from A-B or for Patrolling a geographic area. Some are allowed to stop a vehicle using B+Ts but can not pursue if the vehicle fails to stop. Others can do all driving - If they complete the training.

    However when few regular members in many areas have even
    Chiefs Permission, and even fewer (Way fewer) have completed driving courses they are hardly likely to, nor would it be desirable, for Reserve members to be doing advanced driving courses funded by the state. And would you really feel comfortable in hopping into a 3+ year old vehicle with in excess of 100k miles on it, probably has had at least one previous collision, and driving it in at least a moderate stress environment with no training? Iv driven ambulances that I thought were clapped out - but were luxury in comparison to most Garda vehicles - and it seriously was not a nice experience. Then throw in the current/recent weather!!!!

    And many stations being short a car - if one reserve damages a car to the point that its of the road even temporarily - could seriously compromise the ability of the station to cover the area - and would likely seriously hinder integration of the remainder of the reserves!

    In the future, if reserves are allowed patrol without a regular member, it may be desirable for limited driving permissions, but at the moment I would imagine that there are a lot more things to be improved other than driving and carrying home CS Gas.


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    #81
    eru123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭eru123


    No offence to us reserves but we're never going to be allowed to drive patrol cars. There are so many full timers waiting to drive that if a reserve got in ahead of them it was create pretty bad relations, since they're dedicating their full time to the job and we're only giving part of our time. Unitl every member in a particular station who wants to drive has the course done then, and only then would they look to getting reserves permission and by then there would be more than an adequete amount of drivers. So therefore there would be no need for reserves to drive. Also the minister would have to agree.

    As lst said "at the moment I would imagine that there are a lot more things to be improved other than driving and carrying home CS Gas.


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    #82
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    RoversFanatic wrote: »
    Just a quick repost from the politics thread, regarding the fact that we are not allowed to bring our pepper spray home with us. I made the point that our full time colleagues are free to do this, and so why shouldn't we? Are we inferior, or are we equals doing the same job?
    Are we not to be trusted with it? We've put in the hard weekends in Templemore and are giving freely of our time for a few hours every month, so it just feels like a vote of no-confidence in us.
    Ditto the fact that we're not allowed to drive patrol cars. If they want us in there, why don't they allow us to make ourselves useful?

    @RoversFanatic only please: Are the full-time members you know really allowed to do this? As far as I am aware they need written confirmation to do this and not all do either ask nor get that permission.

    Also, re: driving: Do all full-time members you know drive the patrol cars? I know for certain not all do; some don't have any course done but would have permission to do so and even then, that doesn't happen for the full-time members over night.

    You do seem to be annoyed at the powers you haven been entrusted with, how long are you a reserve yourself?


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    #83
    eoghan77
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭eoghan77


    Reserves should NEVER be authorized to carry pepper spray home with them. (would seriously have to question the motives there). Reserves should Never be authorized to drive Garda cars either. Just like the pepper spray, they can be lethal weapons, and should only be in the hands of the appropriately trained personnel. Reserves are most suited to maintaining a presence on the streets. People think the reserves ARE the Gardai, and are therefore they are effective in this role.


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    #84
    CO19
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭CO19


    eoghan77 wrote: »
    Reserves should NEVER be authorized to carry pepper spray home with them.

    No member be it full time or reserve is allowed to take their spray home with them,I've yet to see one being taken home,they're always put in the locker at the end of every shift.
    eoghan77 wrote: »
    Reserves should Never be authorized to drive Garda cars either. Just like the pepper spray, they can be lethal weapons, and should only be in the hands of the appropriately trained personnel.

    Reserve members are trained to the same standards as full time members in the use of pepper spray so therefore reserves are 'appropriately trained personnel' .


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    #85
    munster4868
    Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    eoghan77 wrote: »
    Reserves should NEVER be authorized to carry pepper spray home with them. (would seriously have to question the motives there). Reserves should Never be authorized to drive Garda cars either. Just like the pepper spray, they can be lethal weapons, and should only be in the hands of the appropriately trained personnel. Reserves are most suited to maintaining a presence on the streets. People think the reserves ARE the Gardai, and are therefore they are effective in this role.

    Reserves are trained to the same standard in the correct use of Pepper Spray / APS Training / Tetra / Handcuff ETC... I did those same course along side Full Time members so I don't know what you mean there by appropriately trained personnel !!
    I never wanted or want to take sprays / radio's etc home with me!! Why would I want to? it's bad enough that if we missplace a part of our uniform that we have to write out a report on it!!!! But in saying all that, maybe there is an underlying problem with the original poster regarding trust on his/her unit with him/her !!! and it's coming out in this manner... As for driving patrol cars... come off the stage... I know plenty of full time members doing their nut that they can't even get their chief's, and the poster wants to drive a patrol car:eek: Maybe it's just me but I don't have to get to take home pepper spray etc... for me to think they trust me... trust for me is where I know the full time member I am out with knows I will always be there for them in ANY situation that may crop up and I in like a flash if they need help!;)


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    #86
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    munster4868 wrote: »
    trust for me is where I know the full time member I am out with knows I will always be there for them in ANY situation that may crop up and I in like a flash if they need help!;)

    +1




    who wants to bring pepper spray home anyway? it doesnt compliment steak in the slightest


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    #87
    magumadoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭magumadoo


    If memory serves me right, during oc training instructors told all present in the class both full time and reserve Gardai that pepper spray is to be kept in lockers in the station and not brought home, as it is classed as a weapon. Why would you want to bring it home and how would you explain yourself if anything happened.


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    #88
    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    RoversFanatic wrote: »
    Are we inferior, or are we equals doing the same job?
    Are we not to be trusted with it? We've put in the hard weekends in Templemore and are giving freely of our time for a few hours every month, so it just feels like a vote of no-confidence in us.
    Ditto the fact that we're not allowed to drive patrol cars. If they want us in there, why don't they allow us to make ourselves useful?

    With all due respect, no you are not equal to a full time member....and if you think you are then you are the "problem" most members have with reserves.

    A few weeks in Templemore does NOT come a fraction close to the 10 months put in by full time members....and of course the on the job training.

    Reserves are allowed to be useful and are very useful. Public Order, patrol with members, assisting at checkpoints and assisting in the station. I have great time for most reserves apart from a small minority that have the complex of power you seem to have.

    Reserves are there for a purpose. They fulfill that purpose very well.
    eoghan77 wrote: »
    Reserves should NEVER be authorized to carry pepper spray home with them. (would seriously have to question the motives there). Reserves should Never be authorized to drive Garda cars either. Just like the pepper spray, they can be lethal weapons, and should only be in the hands of the appropriately trained personnel. Reserves are most suited to maintaining a presence on the streets. People think the reserves ARE the Gardai, and are therefore they are effective in this role.

    MOD NOTE: I think you need to take a long hard look at the sub forum your in and remember to post in context....I hope your not trolling as i'd "hate" to take action.....
    CO19 wrote: »
    No member be it full time or reserve is allowed to take their spray home with them,I've yet to see one being taken home,they're always put in the locker at the end of every shift.

    Some members are entitled to where authorised by the District officer.....specialised units such as Public Order etc etc. Regular run of the mill members cannot take it home.
    munster4868 wrote: »
    Maybe it's just me but I don't have to get to take home pepper spray etc... for me to think they trust me... trust for me is where I know the full time member I am out with knows I will always be there for them in ANY situation that may crop up and I in like a flash if they need help!;)

    Well said......


    * Just to add members cannot bring home O/C spray as it is considered a firearm in legislation and although fully entitled to in law, members cannot for security reasons. Unlike a baton which is not a security risk.


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    #89
    brotherrabbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭brotherrabbit


    Hey folks. can reserves carry a leatherman. im in OMAC and i use it on duty all the time, just wondering can I use it on duty while out with GR


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    #90
    TylerIE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    brotherrabbit wrote: »
    Hey folks. can reserves carry a leatherman. im in OMAC and i use it on duty all the time, just wondering can I use it on duty while out with GR
    I would suggest you ask one of the training sergeants.

    A regular member in my station does as do some of the boards members based on previous posts. Then member in my area was told not to by management for health and safety reasons (it being a knife, if it got taken of him in an incident the consequences are.....).

    If your thinking of RTAs then a res-q-me similar seat belt cutter may suit better.


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    #91
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    brotherrabbit wrote: »
    Hey folks. can reserves carry a leatherman. im in OMAC and i use it on duty all the time, just wondering can I use it on duty while out with GR


    nothing stopping you at all

    great bit of kit


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