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The 2010 "Future Endeavoured" Thread

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    #272
    Machismo Fan
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    Gerard.C wrote: »
    No loses there. I'm sure theres a massive push in TNA for one of them on the books though

    Why?


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    #273
    Diabhal Beag
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    Vance? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


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    #274
    Gerard.C
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    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    Why?

    Cos TNA cant make their own stars and is full of ex-WWE Superstars


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    #275
    D2D
    Registered Users Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Gallows was screwed when the "WWE version" of the Straight Edge Society disbanded (The PW S.E.S will always remain strong). Feel sorry for Archer, he always had potential but never really got any sort of push. Shad didn't really do anything once his best of 60 series with JTG on Superstars fizzled out. Another tag team has bitten the dust with Croft gone from the Dudebusters. Tiffany was always in trouble over her arrest and Jillian was never really going anywhere


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    #276
    Machismo Fan
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    Gerard.C wrote: »
    Cos TNA cant make their own stars and is full of ex-WWE Superstars

    Well 'full off' is a tad bit of an exaggeration - what do you base the the possibility of one of them getting a 'massive push' on?


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    #277
    Jolt2007
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    RIP Dudebusters :(:(


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    #278
    Gerard.C
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    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    Well 'full off' is a tad bit of an exaggeration - what do you base the the possibility of one of them getting a 'massive push' on?

    Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan?

    Edit - and the fact that Matt Morgan is **** and as far as I know he is main eventing these days. He's really ****, he's a big guy and he still couldnt cut the mustard in WWE. Cos hes ****. I'm sure the Hulksters sees something in him though...


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    #279
    Machismo Fan
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    Gerard.C wrote: »
    Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan?

    Edit - and the fact that Matt Morgan is **** and as far as I know he is main eventing these days. He's really ****, he's a big guy and he still couldnt cut the mustard in WWE. Cos hes ****. I'm sure the Hulksters sees something in him though...

    Erm, besides Morgan being a very good promo guy, him usually connecting with the audience and being capable of a very good match, I don't really see what Hogan sees in him. I'm most certainly not a fan of Morgan (just ask EdK) but even I'd acknowledge his potential.

    Anyway, what I was getting at is there seems to be this opinion that TNA snap up every WWE cast-off and the facts don't really back up that assertion. Anybody they do take and keep is worth their spot for the most part (Morgan, Hardy, Anderson, Angle, RVD, Pope, Mickie James etc.) and anybody else is either demoted to Xpolsion (Orlando Jordan) or goes the way of the dodo rather quickly (Test, Rikishi, The Bashams, Sean Morley, The Nasty Boyz etc.). But people tend to ignore that for some reason.


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    #280
    CMpunked
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    Wheres the sense in keeping JTG over shad?!


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    #281
    chordtype
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    CMpunked wrote: »
    Wheres the sense in keeping JTG over shad?!

    JTG is a pretty good worker.


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    #282
    CMpunked
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    I always preferred shad. Mainly because of his size, sure he was a little rough but thought if he was given the shot of being a guy who would just tear into people, he would have done it well.
    Shame.


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    #283
    Gerard.C
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    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    Erm, besides Morgan being a very good promo guy, him usually connecting with the audience and being capable of a very good match, I don't really see what Hogan sees in him. I'm most certainly not a fan of Morgan (just ask EdK) but even I'd acknowledge his potential.

    Anyway, what I was getting at is there seems to be this opinion that TNA snap up every WWE cast-off and the facts don't really back up that assertion. Anybody they do take and keep is worth their spot for the most part (Morgan, Hardy, Anderson, Angle, RVD, Pope, Mickie James etc.) and anybody else is either demoted to Xpolsion (Orlando Jordan) or goes the way of the dodo rather quickly (Test, Rikishi, The Bashams, Sean Morley, The Nasty Boyz etc.). But people tend to ignore that for some reason.

    The only time I saw Matt Morgan connect with an audience was when he had the stutter in wwe. And I couldnt name one decent match he was in either.

    I realise that a lot of them do well in TNA, but doesnt that just really make TNA WWE Future Endevoured V2.0? The best they can come up with themselves is that lad from the Jersey Shore thing. The fact that they keep snapping up ex-WWE lads, even the ones who did nothing in WWE and mean nothing (Orlando Jordan how are ya) shows they are over reliant on WWE's cast offs


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    #284
    Machismo Fan
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    Gerard.C wrote: »
    The only time I saw Matt Morgan connect with an audience was when he had the stutter in wwe. And I couldnt name one decent match he was in either.

    I realise that a lot of them do well in TNA, but doesnt that just really make TNA WWE Future Endevoured V2.0? The best they can come up with themselves is that lad from the Jersey Shore thing. The fact that they keep snapping up ex-WWE lads, even the ones who did nothing in WWE and mean nothing (Orlando Jordan how are ya) shows they are over reliant on WWE's cast offs

    Morgan had a great three match series with AJ last year and an excellent match against Angle. He has a lot of value and he has always gotten over as a face (and is doing so again now) and gotten heat as a heel.

    What do you mean 'keep snapping up ex-WWE lads'? Looking at the roster now only Orlando Jordan doesn't warrant a spot and it's not like he's being pushed to the moon. For the most part they only take the best of those released and any others don't last long at all after they fail quickly.


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    #285
    chordtype
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    Gerard.C wrote: »
    The only time I saw Matt Morgan connect with an audience was when he had the stutter in wwe. And I couldnt name one decent match he was in either.

    Against Kurt at Bound for Glory 2009. Can't think of any apart from that.


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    #286
    Lord TSC
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    Morgan had a great three match series with AJ last year and an excellent match against Angle. He has a lot of value and he has always gotten over as a face (and is doing so again now) and gotten heat as a heel.

    The problem there though is I'm fairly certain I could have a great match with AJ or Angle, as could my mother, my cat and a broom handle...

    Not that I care about Morgan one way or the other. Just that listing great matches he's had shouldn't list ones where his opponents can carry anyone to good matches.


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    #287
    Gerard.C
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    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    Morgan had a great three match series with AJ last year and an excellent match against Angle. He has a lot of value and he has always gotten over as a face (and is doing so again now) and gotten heat as a heel.

    What do you mean 'keep snapping up ex-WWE lads'? Looking at the roster now only Orlando Jordan doesn't warrant a spot and it's not like he's being pushed to the moon. For the most part they only take the best of those released and any others don't last long at all after they fail quickly.

    TNA's roster is full of ex-WWE talent. That will get them nowhere.

    There are a fair few people in TNA that dont warrant a spot really, when you consider that TNA is supposed to be the "new face of professional wrestling". Stevie Richards, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Rhino, etc.. I realise they are "ECW guys", but its not like thats where they became famous!

    Anywho we went a bit off-topic here.

    So yeah. Luke Gallows. Lousy


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    #288
    EdK
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    Im quite tired of this ex WWE argument and it's apparently negative connection,WWE is a massive company with a massive roster and they go through alot of talent in a short period,some aren't up to scratch and fall to the side others who were released for a whole host of reasons still have a lot to offer

    Wrestling is a tiny industry at the top level especially considering the amount of performers out there trying to find a job in the industry,WWE is the top dog no question but by no means is a talent a spent force just because the WWE saw fit to cut them

    And sure companies,TNA included make mistakes and sign up questionable talent but for the most part those guys/girls don't last too long

    So the likes of Jeff Hardy,Mr Kennedy/Anderson,Shelton Benjamin,Charlie Haas,Mickie James,Elijah Burke and a whole host of others are supposed to call time on their careers because WWE cut them?

    And TNA aren't supposed to sign them just because they have worked for WWE?

    Leaving WWE doesn't automatically make you a WWE reject and I see no reason why talented people can't make an impact elsewhere


    By the same token TNA has more fundamental problems and need to realise having major talent under contract doesn't automatically bring success without strong booking,marketing,advertising etc,If TNA could ever get their act together in that capacity they could be a pretty big deal

    just my opinion on it


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    #289
    Lord TSC
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    I agree in part to the idea that just because they are WWE "rejects" does not mean they shouldn't be used by TNA. My personal problems with TNA's selection is as follows...

    1. It's completly indiscriminate, with no surprise coming when anyone really joins them any more. There's nearly an acceptance that once WWE releases someone, TNA will snap them up, and that is a bad thing. TNA should be selective with their choices and should be complementing them with fresh faces and new talents. They should be having a strong mix.

    2. They have a bad habit of lessening people's importance. Jeff Hardy was the hottest free agent on the market when TNA got him and they did not even advertise him for his debut. That was suicidal. I would have been plastering his appearance details on everything I could to lure in new fans. RVD has been "just another guy", and Booker suffered the same problem for ages when he joined. TNA think that because they've got the guy, they don't need to actually think up of logical and smart stories to help keep their star status up.

    3. You can't take the attitude that signing WWE guys is good for business AND the attitude that you want to be a viable alternative to WWE. Ultimatly, WWE releases these people because they don't think they can make money with them at a top level. If TNA is happy being in the second place in the wrestling race, then doing what they are doing now is perfectly ok, but they should realise they can't advertise themselves as anything other than "WWE Lite"


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    #290
    Charisteas
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    I'm surprised Jillian Hall was let go because she was recently given a new job as a trainer for women in developmental.

    Also surprised that a Smackdown writer was let go as that has been a pretty good show the last couple of months.


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    #291
    EdK
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    It's simply not true that TNA sign every released WWE talent and they seem to be a lot more selective who they take on these days and I will admit signing the Bashams etc was a mistake

    Released WWE talent that TNA haven't signed Helms,Carlito,Snitsky,Mike Knox,Haas,Benjamin,Funaki,Jesse,Paul Burchill,Maria,DJ Gabriel,Eric Escobar,Jimmy Yang,Serena and many more

    Of the 18 WWE releases this year TNA have signed 3 (1/6) Mickie,Katie Lea and Tommy Dreamer,while I'd argue the signing of Dreamer I have no problem with them signing good female talent to make up the major losses in the KO division in the last couple of years


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    #292
    CMpunked
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    EdK wrote: »
    Released WWE talent that TNA haven't signed Helms,Carlito,Snitsky,Mike Knox,Haas,Benjamin,Funaki,Jesse,Paul Burchill,Maria,DJ Gabriel,Eric Escobar,Jimmy Yang,Serena and many more

    Don't forget Matthew Moore Hardy!! :cool:

    :P


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    #293
    Lord TSC
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    Released WWE talent that TNA haven't signed Helms,Carlito,Snitsky,Mike Knox,Haas,Benjamin,Funaki,Jesse,Paul Burchill,Maria,DJ Gabriel,Eric Escobar,Jimmy Yang,Serena and many more

    Of that list....

    Helms, Carlito, Haas and Benjamin will likely end up in Florida sooner rather than later.

    Burchill and Maria SHOULD be in TNA since both have something to offer, especially the later who won a genuine Diva of the Year competition despite not being used at all, which shows the fans care about her.


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    #294
    jaykhunter
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    CMpunked wrote: »
    Don't forget Matthew Moore Hardy!! :cool:

    Was he married to Shannon Moore at some point? :pac:


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    #295
    Machismo Fan
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    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    Burchill and Maria SHOULD be in TNA since both have something to offer, especially the later who won a genuine Diva of the Year competition despite not being used at all, which shows the fans care about her.

    TNA already have Christy Hemme, so Maria would be fairly redundant.


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    #296
    CMpunked
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    jaykhunter wrote: »
    Was he married to Shannon Moore at some point? :pac:

    Har.
    It's his middle name, but i guess it could be a nice cover up for some drunken mistake in *That american state that allows that sorta thing*.


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    #297
    Lord TSC
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    Machismo Fan wrote: »
    TNA already have Christy Hemme, so Maria would be fairly redundant.

    Fair point, I suppose.


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    #298
    Charisteas
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    I would like to see Helms, Carlito, Haas, Benjamin and even Funaki in TNA, but they have quite a lot of talent already, and are also trying to cut costs recently. So unless they have to release talent before they sign new talent, or start a second weekly TV show, I wouldn't hold my breath about these guys signing in the foreseeable future.

    That being said, Matt Hardy could be a different kettle of fish what with his brother already in the company.


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    #299
    D2D
    Registered Users Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Source:
    In addition to a quiet release by WWE for referee Aaron "Goose" Mahoney, The Wrestling Observer is reporting that the Swagger Soaring Eagle mascot was also cut by the company

    :eek::(


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    #300
    CMpunked
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    Dare_2_defy wrote: »
    Source:



    :eek::(

    Thats not gonna make any difference. Finlay will probably be in the suit next week.


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    #301
    Furious-Red
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    Sure wasnt it supposed to be Chavo in the eagle suit?


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