Global Warming.

Cian92

I for one hope the ice caps, are benefitting from this cold snap. Now that it's cold you don't hear anything about this global warming shit.

My name is URL

Do you disagree that any change is taking place in the global climate?

Milky Moo

Global warming causes extremes of all weather.

ball

My name is URL wrote: »

Do you disagree that any change is taking place in the global climate?

It's called "Winter"

Forget about global warming ...

We are entering a a new ICE AGE!

freezing my bollix off.

Mike 1972

Its called climate change * now (because there were too many people out there who couldnt understand how global warming could lead to localised cooling)

* mind you the new phrase has problems of its own

epgc3fyqirnbsx

They should take the money made from carbon tax and spend it on salt for the roads

Kashkai

Climate change may or may not be a natural/manmade occurence but don't you think its at least funny that after the big song and dance do-nothing useful conference in Copenhagen recently on the impending disaster that awaits us from global warming, we then have the coldest winter in decades:D. You HAVE to see the funny side in all this, unless you're a member of the Green party, speaking of which, where is our green environment minister who has responsibility for funding the local authorities. Perhaps he's so convinced about this heating up of the planet that he's living in denial of the cold snap and thus won't dole out money to get more salt/grit on the roads.:rolleyes:

My name is URL

ball wrote: »

It's called "Winter"

Yeah, tell that to the people directly affected by changes to the climate. Islands been overrun by the sea in the Pacific etc

just because it's not caused by man doesn't mean it should be brushed aside as rubbish.. it's happening, whatever it may be that's causing it

Is it not about time for people to swallow their pride and accept that climate change is real? Maybe then we'll be able to come up with ways of dealing with it, instead of retorts on how it isn't man-made

philologos

OP you should have put a poll up, "Do you believe in global warming?" Yes or no.

Turtwig

Jakkass wrote: »

OP you should have put a poll up, "Do you believe in global warming?" Yes or no.

Please don't OP.
I've read and seen enough depressing stuff lately.:(

electrogrimey

Jakkass wrote: »

OP you should have put a poll up, "Do you believe in global warming?" Yes or no.

Even better, do you believe in climate change. Global Warming will confuse people. :rolleyes:

Pompey Magnus

My name is URL wrote: »

Is it not about time for people to swallow their pride and accept that climate change is real? Maybe then we'll be able to come up with ways of dealing with it, instead of retorts on how it isn't man-made

Are there actually people who deny that climate change occurs? I mean people who believe the Earth has had the same climate for the past 4 billion years, because I haven't met them. The whole debate centres on whether its man made or not, if we don't know that then we can't address the problem (if there is one and if it can be addressed).

philologos

Charco - Climate change occurs throughout history. I think we should be aiming to find alternatives to oil and other things, but I am not sure at present as to whether or not global warming is occurring. I mean wasn't it the point that the co2 was removing the ozone layer, and warming the earth, melting the polar ice caps?

The_Kew_Tour

Global Warming :eek::eek::eek:

Turtwig

Charco wrote: »

The whole debate centres on whether its man made or not, if we don't know that then we can't address the problem (if there is one and if it can be addressed).

I disagree the whole issue is that no one denys our climate is changing it's just genuine* skeptics aren't convinced by the significance of our role in it. This leads to one central argument : Is the best way to combat climate change by
Adaptation alone, or Adaptation combined with Mitigation?
It's really that simple.

To be perfectly honest if it's not man made then we will be in for an even stickier ride because mitigation is far more practical than adaptation.
* I say genuine because alot of people tend to just go into a groupthink and read and discuss rubbish from frankly god awful pseudo science.

Are there actually people who deny that climate change occurs? I mean people who believe the Earth has had the same climate for the past 4 billion years, because I haven't met them.

Like everything in life there are some.

SoupyNorman

I believe that the planet is overpopulated and close to a tipping point, there can be no question that we are having SOME tangible impact on the earth.... The human race really is just like a virus.

However the earth does go through it's own extreme weather cycles, this is not to be forgotton. Ice ages, extended warm periods....Sea leves have risen and fell numerous times.

For us we are hyper-sensitive to it because we are threatened with it now, it's not just some record in a history book and this hyper-sensitivity can lead to many different avenues of speculation as to what is causing the changes in the weather.

For me I believe that it is Human and naturally driven.

ball

We have one really hot week and one really cold week every year.
Every time they come around, people get excited about climate change.

This is the first time we've had a decent amount of snow in a while.
Enjoy it while it lasts.



I'll see you in 5-6 months time when the sun shines more than most months

Turtwig

Jakkass wrote: »

it the point that the co2 was removing the ozone layer, and warming the earth, melting the polar ice caps?

CFCs (which are also a minute proportion of GHG) were removing the ozone layer.
Melting the polar ice caps is only part really tiny piece of it.:)

General predictions for ireland are just two general seasons (winter and summer).
Increased frequency of intense of rainfall in winter, and in summer increased periods of drought with possibly increased frequency of intense rainfall.
It is predicted that certain crops in ireland (e.g potatoes -can't remember the other ones) will become hard, if not impossible, to cultivate and grow by farmers.
Certain ecosystems will be threatened and many low lying areas will be subject to more flooding.

philologos

SoupyNorman wrote: »

I believe that the planet is overpopulated and close to a tipping point, there can be no question that we are having SOME tangible impact on the earth.... The human race really is just like a virus..

I don't think we should condemn ourselves for existing. Humans are having a negative impact on the environment in numerous ways including:
1) Landfill
2) Polluting rivers / seas
3) Increasing erosion by modifying rivers and sea structures
4) Causing smog
5) Desertification
6) Destroying rainforests etc.

We also happen to be wasting food on an obscene level in America and in Europe, and throwing it away before it even gets sold! Not that that is an environmental issue, but it is a problem.

These are things that we can and do need to change. The OP is right to be asking whether or not global warming is down to humans, and we have to ask whether the warming trend is reversing or not.

Capt'n Midnight

I haven't noticed any 7ft snow drifts, this isn't in the top 10 worst snows I've experienced around here.

Capt'n Midnight

Jakkass wrote: »

Humans are having a negative impact on the environment in numerous ways including:

Apart from African species that co-evolved with us, we've also managed to make extinct most terrestrial animals bigger than a moose.


We are pretty good at creating deserts too, much of the forrests of ancient Egypt went in to building the pyramids.


Blue fin tuna are close to the edge, as are Atlantic Cod and many other fish. but don't worry their plaice in the eco-system are being taken by unappetising jellyfish, squid and other invertebrates.

junkyard

Global warming is a natural progression for this planet, it's going to happen whether we're here or not, the idea of taxing us for the situation is a work of genius, the greatest scam in the history of mankind so far imho.

Turtwig

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Apart from African species that co-evolved with us, we've also managed to make extinct most terrestrial animals bigger than a moose.


We are pretty good at creating deserts too, much of the forrests of ancient Egypt went in to building the pyramids.


Blue fin tuna are close to the edge, as are Atlantic Cod and many other fish. but don't worry their plaice in the eco-system are being taken by unappetising jellyfish, squid and other invertebrates.

Supposedly before humans the background rate of extinction was 1 species every four years. With modern humans it's about 120,000 times that rate.:(

junkyard wrote: »

Global warming is a natural progression for this planet, it's going to happen whether we're here or not, the idea of taxing us for the situation is a work of genius, the greatest scam in the history of mankind so far imho.

I think, you should realise that taxing is the "easy" option.

junkyard

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Apart from African species that co-evolved with us, we've also managed to make extinct most terrestrial animals bigger than a moose.


We are pretty good at creating deserts too, much of the forrests of ancient Egypt went in to building the pyramids.


Blue fin tuna are close to the edge, as are Atlantic Cod and many other fish. but don't worry their plaice in the eco-system are being taken by unappetising jellyfish, squid and other invertebrates.

And are we to blame for dinosaurs becoming extinct too and all the other extinct species that lived on the planet? What about all the new species of animals and insect that are being discovered? This planet is evolving as are we as human beings, we'd be still in the sea or swinging off trees if it wasn't for evolution, it's time to adapt not pay taxes because the bottom line is money.

Mr. Presentable

It's typical Ireland. The globe is warming to record levels, even the Poles are warming, and here we are in the coldest winter for 50 years!

galwayrush

adrian280582 wrote: »

Global Warming :eek::eek::eek:

Apparently so, but my balls are freezing.

Capt'n Midnight

galwayrush wrote: »

Apparently so, but my balls are freezing.

If you are a brass monkey I would advise you to seek warmth as a matter of urgency

galwayrush

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

If you are a brass monkey I would advise you to seek warmth as a matter of urgency

Bertie Ahern must be very worried about his neck atm:pac:

epgc3fyqirnbsx

SoupyNorman wrote: »

I believe that the planet is overpopulated and close to a tipping point, there can be no question that we are having SOME tangible impact on the earth.... The human race really is just like a virus.

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Kill the poor to feed the hungry????

I don't believe that the weather this year and last year is a result of global warming/climate change or whatever you want to call it. The sun is pretty much dead right now so that is most likely the cause. Expect more of the same (including dodgy summers) until solar activity picks up again.

I'm not saying that we aren't destroying the planet but I think it's exaggerated - groups are too quick to throw the climate change card when something unexpected happens. Mary Robinson tried to blame the November floods on it when, lets face it, lots of new properties were built in flood plains over the last decade.

Capt'n Midnight

Adonis Panicky Villager wrote: »

Kill the poor to feed the hungry????

Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight


Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night

While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

AARRRGH

If we have a warm winter they'd say it's because of global warming...
If we have a cold winter they say it's because of global warming...

You have to ask yourself why are so many business people and environment scientists so passionate about global warming. I'll give you a hint: $$$.

Dudess

Karsini wrote: »

I'm not saying that we aren't destroying the planet but I think it's exaggerated - groups are too quick to throw the climate change card when something unexpected happens. Mary Robinson tried to blame the November floods on it when, lets face it, lots of new properties were built in flood plains over the last decade.

Yeah, and it's not as if there weren't floods long before global warming theories abounded.

I'm somewhere in the middle too: I can't stand the aggressively anti-green lobby but I equally have no time for the silliness of blaming any harsh weather on humans. The winter of '63, for instance, was a lot harsher than this one.

philologos

AARRRGH, it also means energy independence from the Middle East for Western countries. I have a feeling that that is a big driving force too.

Capt'n Midnight

junkyard wrote: »

And are we to blame for dinosaurs becoming extinct too and all the other extinct species that lived on the planet? What about all the new species of animals and insect that are being discovered? This planet is evolving as are we as human beings, we'd be still in the sea or swinging off trees if it wasn't for evolution, it's time to adapt not pay taxes because the bottom line is money.

The bottom line is not money. It's good business sense to harvest now generate profit and then invest the money elsewhere.

Humans are the one species that are not restricted by the energy or other resources in a local eco-system as they will just import them form elsewhere while they asset strip.

We've seen it with the whales, Japanese trying to maximise value form old ships . who cares if all the whales die, the money made can be used elsewhere. Same story with fish a esp. Tuna and Krill. Many fisheries have been wiped out because politicians and fishermen arguing about how much fish are needed to support jobs instead of listening to scientists who tell them the maximum amount of fish that can be removed in a good year without causing the population to crash.


We are discovering more species , but usually in areas that are being exploited for the resources that the species need to survive.


Not all species have an equal right to be protected. The Mediterranean sea has dried out numerous times , 10,000 years ago there were many freshwater shellfish over Hungary in an ancient lake.


And yes there was an unfortunate incident with a microwave oven and a flux capacitor back in 2143 , the result of the feedback loop reverbratd back 65, million years

DonkeyStyle \o/

All the carbon taxes collected from around the world are going towards building several giant Mr.Burns style sun-blockers. Keep it under your hat though.

opinion guy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And yes there was an unfortunate incident with a microwave oven and a flux capacitor back in 2143 , the result of the feedback loop reverbratd back 65, million years

I thought it was a toaster ???:D

Gotta hand it to the polititians thou - they have a meeting in Copenhagen in December and they've apparently solved global warming already. Who says all they do is talk ?:)

SoupyNorman

SoupyNorman wrote: »

The human race really is just like a virus.

yeah well.....your a towel

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah well.....your a towel

wanna get hiiigh?

4leto

Its snowing right across the northern hemisphere, Copenhagen Global warming summit has been an unprecedented success, it has somehow halted global warming in its track. Snow is fun for a week or so, but enough is enough, so please back to global warming now. I want everyone to run the tumble dryer empty for the next 6 weeks.

jd007

Cian92 wrote: »

I for one hope the ice caps, are benefitting from this cold snap. Now that it's cold you don't hear anything about this global warming shit.

Well I for one welcome our ice cap overlords.

andrew

If I hear another person say 'SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING LOL' in relation to the current weather I'm going to have a rage aneurysm.

star.chaser

Milky Moo wrote: »

Global warming causes extremes of all weather.

could be climate change completely unconnected to carbon omissions. who knows, maybe this kind of weather change happens naturally every few hundred/thousand years? :rolleyes:

philologos

Responding and putting forward your point of view might be more useful to those who are genuinely doubting this andrew.

opinion guy

andrew wrote: »

If I hear another person say 'SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING LOL' in relation to the current weather I'm going to have a rage aneurysm.

I wouldn't do that mate, the ambulance might have a hard job getting to you what with the cold snap and all - tsch...so much for global warming lol :rolleyes:

epgc3fyqirnbsx

So much for global warming LOL

Macha

I posted this in Green Issues but unfortunately it looks like it needs to be posted here as well:

The difference between weather and climate:

Weather is the mix of events that happen each day in our atmosphere including temperature, rainfall and humidity.

Climate in your place on the globe controls the weather where you live. Climate is the average weather pattern in a place over many years.

Let's hope that those who wish to bestow upon us their opinions on climate change at least bother to learn the difference between the two.

Now you can return to your ranting.

andrew

Jakkass wrote: »

Charco - Climate change occurs throughout history. I think we should be aiming to find alternatives to oil and other things, but I am not sure at present as to whether or not global warming is occurring. I mean wasn't it the point that the co2 was removing the ozone layer, and warming the earth, melting the polar ice caps?

No, this was never/isn't the point. CO2 is thought to cause global warming because it is a greenhouse gas. CO2 does not remove the ozone layer (it is not a CFC. Incidentally, CFC's are also greenhouse gases).

These are things that we can and do need to change. The OP is right to be asking whether or not global warming is down to humans, and we have to ask whether the warming trend is reversing or not.

A significant amount of scientific evidence points to a general warming trend. It is because of this that people saying the quote below annoy me. A cold snap, or even a relatively cold year, does not a trend break. Is global warming man made? I dunno. I'd be the first to remind people that correlation does not imply causation. However, I don't think that it is useful to say that it isn't man made. Even if it isn't, by assuming it is we either at best a) mitigate global warming or at worst b) make the transition toward more sustainable energy consumption before we run out of oil.

So much for global warming LOL

http://mundobesteirol.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/fuuuuuu.jpg

Cian92

Don't get me wrong, I'm against cutting down rainforests and for protecting the environment, keeping it litter free etc. But this "global warming" it will be cold one year, warm another. It's just the weather. Is is not man made, really by trying to fix it, we are just interfering with nature. Jeremy Clarkson had a great piece in his new book about the Kyoto agreement, he reckons really we are only delaying this temperature rise by six years. It is just an excuse to tax us. Hitting those who want to drive a big engined car.

Turtwig

Cian92 wrote: »

But this "global warming" it will be cold one year, warm another. It's just the weather. Is is not man made

So is acid rain, but that is exacerbated by human causes. Why can't the entire planet weather be influenced by us?