How many people would want Karate in the Olympics?

DaBrow

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Furious-Dave

What would be the point? From a spectator point of view there's already Boxing, Judo and Tae Kwon Do. What could Karate offer that's different? Kata?

DaBrow

Furious-Dave wrote: »

What would be the point? From a spectator point of view there's already Boxing, Judo and Tae Kwon Do. What could Karate offer that's different? Kata?

Taekwondo is the descendant of Karate.... Shotokan Karate heavily influenced Taekwondo during the Japanese Occupation of Korea from 1910-1945. So there isn't really much difference if you compared them with one another.

Almost all (90%) of taekwondo techniques originate from Shotokan; apart from the language and a couple of kicks... that's what makes it different.

Taekwondo has Forms too called Hyung.... so please tell me how that makes it different to Karate.

Furious-Dave

You misunderstood my question. I know the relationship between TKD and Karate (sort of). I was asking what would be the point of having Karate in the Olympics. Perhaps Karate was passed over because TKD is already there?

DaBrow

Furious-Dave wrote: »

You misunderstood my question. I know the relationship between TKD and Karate (sort of). I was asking what would be the point of having Karate in the Olympics. Perhaps Karate was passed over because TKD is already there?

I think money was the main reason.... Rugby & Golf have enough tournaments and I think its ridiculous that given how much cash they generate already, why they should be considered olympic sports.

Taekwondo in the Olympic Games is WTF.... Basically legs only which differs from ITF Taekwondo which uses Hands and Legs.

Karate has Kicks, Punches and takedowns - Plus there is no political rivalry in the sport compared to Taekwondo.

The WUKO & WKF have better relations and don't descriminate each other like WTF & ITF.

Doug Cartel

There's no way they'd add karate without getting rid of TKD. Same goes for kick-boxing, san da, or anything that's even remotely similar.

DaBrow

Doug Cartel wrote: »

There's no way they'd add karate without getting rid of TKD. Same goes for kick-boxing, san da, or anything that's even remotely similar.

I don't see what the issue would be...

They could have a mixed sparring event category which would be very entertaining and it would show more skill attached to the fighters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fqPCu40l3Y

This is Russian Kyukoshin fighters against Chinese Taekwondo Practioners

Doug Cartel

DaBrow wrote: »

I don't see what the issue would be...

The issue is that they already have TKD. The TKD people would kick up a massive stink if their event was taken away, and there's no real group lobbying for a mixed striking event, so why would the IOC change anything?

yomchi

DaBrow wrote: »

Taekwondo is the descendant of Karate.... Shotokan Karate heavily influenced Taekwondo during the Japanese Occupation of Korea from 1910-1945. So there isn't really much difference if you compared them with one another.

Almost all (90%) of taekwondo techniques originate from Shotokan; apart from the language and a couple of kicks... that's what makes it different.

Taekwondo has Forms too called Hyung.... so please tell me how that makes it different to Karate.

WTF Taekwon-Do which participates in the olympics is not the direct descendant of Shotokan karate. WTF Taekwon-Do is a stand alone martial art developed many years after the original chang hon system (ITF) was designed, which has roots in Shotokan.

yomchi

DaBrow wrote: »

Karate has Kicks, Punches and takedowns - Plus there is no political rivalry in the sport compared to Taekwondo.

The WUKO & WKF have better relations and don't descriminate each other like WTF & ITF.

No politics? ONAKAI / IKAB ??

There is no political rivalry between the ITF and the WTF, both groups are working together on joint activities in South Korea.

bungaro

is it true that the country hosting the olympics can introduce a new sport?? if so i wonder will brazil bring in bjj when its in rio?!

Doug Cartel

They can have demonstration sports, but these don't count towards medal counts. It seems to be getting more difficult to introduce these though. China was supposed to have san da last time, and that never happened. I think BJJ would be too similar to judo to be included, even as a demo sport.

Chris89

Theres allready enough borings in the olympics for another martial art.

I would love to see submission wrestling in there, but with judo and wrestling already i doubt itll stand much of a chance.

Also brazil will probably do a little capoeira as there demo sport, every brazillian we know does bjj but that doesnt mean everyone in brazil does.

Itd be like us trying to introduce Sean Nos dancing.

DaBrow

yomchi wrote: »

WTF Taekwon-Do which participates in the olympics is not the direct descendant of Shotokan karate. WTF Taekwon-Do is a stand alone martial art developed many years after the original chang hon system (ITF) was designed, which has roots in Shotokan.

Taekwondo split in two if I remember correctly.

With respect I practised WTF which according to you is a stand alone style, but I didn't see anything really different from other techniques I learnt from Wado Ryu Karate whish I still train in. ITF wasn't that different apart from more punches allowed.

I fail to see how it differs from Shotokan which strongly influenced the entire style of taekwondo in its early days, the split happened partly because of Gen Choi who wished to share the art across Korea because he was a South Korean General who was born in the DPRK.

One side wanted more kicking and the other liked the mixture of hand and foot, from what I gather.

yomchi wrote: »

No politics? ONAKAI / IKAB ??

ONAKAI is a mixed Karate Organisation.... they have Clubs in Shotokan, Wado Ryu and a few other styles if I'm not mistaken.

IKAB is also a mixed Karate Organisation... They have clubs in Shotokan, Wado Ryu too.

These organisations are not Styles.... they are athletic associations and that is the difference between WTF & ITF which are styles.

There is no political rivalry between the ITF and the WTF, both groups are working together on joint activities in South Korea.

ITF is a single body for a single form of taekwondo and likewise with WTF which won the agreement with the IOC for its style to be used in the summer games....

The WUKO & WKF don't operate like this and the reason is this:

WKF: Recognises Wado Ryu, Shotokan, Goju Ryu & ****o Ryu which are the 4 traditional styles

WUKO: Recognises all the four but include Shōrin-ryū, Uechi-ryū, Kyokushinkai, Budōkan.

DaBrow

Chris89 wrote: »

Theres allready enough borings in the olympics for another martial art.

I would love to see submission wrestling in there, but with judo and wrestling already i doubt itll stand much of a chance.

Also brazil will probably do a little capoeira as there demo sport, every brazillian we know does bjj but that doesnt mean everyone in brazil does.

Itd be like us trying to introduce Sean Nos dancing.

Ireland has a martial Art called Báta... Stick fighting.

I'm saddened Japan wasn't selected for the Olympics, Karate & Kendo/Iaido would have been great demonstrations.

Going off topic a little...

I'll be suprised if the olympics even are being prepared in Brazil, that country from what I've read and seen is more violent than Colombia was in the 80's to the last few years before Uribe was elected.... That footage of the police chopper being shot down in the favelas shows how dangerous Rio really is and fierce gunbattles happen daily there.

The world cup in 2014 I doubt will be smooth aswell which is also held in Brazil, I'm not optimistic about South Africa either in June.... After how FIFA Handled what happened between Ireland & France, I'm refusing to have it on my TV Screen this June & July.

yomchi

With respect I practised WTF which according to you is a stand alone style, but I didn't see anything really different from other techniques I learnt from Wado Ryu Karate whish I still train in. ITF wasn't that different apart from more punches allowed.

I fail to see how it differs from Shotokan which strongly influenced the entire style of taekwondo in its early days, the split happened partly because of Gen Choi who wished to share the art across Korea because he was a South Korean General who was born in the DPRK.

One side wanted more kicking and the other liked the mixture of hand and foot, from what I gather.

And with equal respect, I have done both ITF and WTF. You are missing a large part my point if you think arts can be deemed similar due to techniques. There are huge differences between the sport of WTF Taekwondo and Karate, first and foremost its rule set, as you say yourself, Karate has throws and takedowns etc, WTF does not. The ring is bigger for WTF and 95% of the shots thrown are circular in direction and players will clinch before being separated by the umpire, take downs are not allowed - none of that can happen in Karate due to the different rule set. You can't say arts are similar because a kick looks like a kick.

ITF Taekwon-Do again has a much different set of rules as a style it has more linear kicks, but marginally, in WTF you can score and fall, not so for ITF. Shotokan influenced Taekwon-Do in the early days true, but it influenced the patterns/tul not the sport elemenT which didn't develop for the ITF until nearly 15 years afer Taekwon-Do was developed.

Your reason for the split happening couldn't be further from the truth. General Choi was part of a failed coup to over throw the South Korean president. The World Taekwon-Do Federation or WTF for short was formed in 1973 after an acrimonious fall out between General Choi and the South Korean government led by General Park Chung-He , which resulted in General Choi leaving Korea to live in Canada.

The WTF was formed as a political knee jerk reaction to General Choi’s exile, Taekwon-Do was a unique Korean national art, South Korea couldn't have it under the ‘influence’ of a Korean exile based in Canada. The Korean Taekwon-Do Association went on to form the Kukkiwon the WTF head office and administration centre based in South Korea. It wasn't because some wanted only kicks and some wanted to punch

Charlie3dan

I'm a shotokan practitioner and personally I wouldn't like to see it make the olympics.
I have no problem with sport karate and I compete myself but I'm not in favour of people doing karate only for sport which I think would be the case if it were included in the Olympics.

The martial arts that are in the Olympics have been changed to suit the Olympics. While this might mean greater exposure for the art I think some of the changes are to the detrement of the art.

Having said all that, if karate does end up getting in, I'd happily try out for the team.

yomchi

Good point Charlie

DaBrow

yomchi wrote: »

And with equal respect, I have done both ITF and WTF. You are missing a large part my point if you think arts can be deemed similar due to techniques. There are huge differences between the sport of WTF Taekwondo and Karate, first and foremost its rule set, as you say yourself, Karate has throws and takedowns etc, WTF does not. The ring is bigger for WTF and 95% of the shots thrown are circular in direction and players will clinch before being separated by the umpire, take downs are not allowed - none of that can happen in Karate due to the different rule set. You can't say arts are similar because a kick looks like a kick.

ITF Taekwon-Do again has a much different set of rules as a style it has more linear kicks, but marginally, in WTF you can score and fall, not so for ITF. Shotokan influenced Taekwon-Do in the early days true, but it influenced the patterns/tul not the sport elemenT which didn't develop for the ITF until nearly 15 years afer Taekwon-Do was developed.

Your reason for the split happening couldn't be further from the truth. General Choi was part of a failed coup to over throw the South Korean president. The World Taekwon-Do Federation or WTF for short was formed in 1973 after an acrimonious fall out between General Choi and the South Korean government led by General Park Chung-He , which resulted in General Choi leaving Korea to live in Canada.

The WTF was formed as a political knee jerk reaction to General Choi’s exile, Taekwon-Do was a unique Korean national art, South Korea couldn't have it under the ‘influence’ of a Korean exile based in Canada. The Korean Taekwon-Do Association went on to form the Kukkiwon the WTF head office and administration centre based in South Korea. It wasn't because some wanted only kicks and some wanted to punch

I'm glad to see that we can respectfully argue over this, I do remember that on the issue of Choi... He caused a large controversy because he passed on the knowledge of Taekwondo to the North Koreans AKA The Enemy and he was a general in the Southern Army despite his being born in PyongYang and Anti-Communist leaning.

As a person who has practised Taekwondo; there are throws and takedowns in the art from advanced self-defence/forms... but these aren't allowed in actual sparring competition, Karate Sparring only allows a takedown in the format of a sweep where you then have to make a finishing hand technique but only if you are very quick.

Too be honest, a lot of Taekwondo Kicks that I've seen don't really differ from Karate....

The Front Kick is the Same

The Turning Kick is the Roundhouse Kick

The Back kick isn't too different

One Step forward/backward Kicks don't really differ

Jumping Kicks don't differ that much either.... Only one Airborne kick like the split kick appears unique.


I can't see how the majority of techniques from TKD really differ from Karate, with respect.


WTF Taekwondo appears more like Full-Contact Kyokushin Karate Rules...... Full Power is allowed and You can kick to the head and body but you can only punch to the mid section and minus the head.

ITF is semi-contact and allows hand techniques to the face along with kicks to the body.... The rules which I follow in Wado Ryu.

DaBrow

Charlie3dan wrote: »

I'm a shotokan practitioner and personally I wouldn't like to see it make the olympics.
I have no problem with sport karate and I compete myself but I'm not in favour of people doing karate only for sport which I think would be the case if it were included in the Olympics.

The martial arts that are in the Olympics have been changed to suit the Olympics. While this might mean greater exposure for the art I think some of the changes are to the detrement of the art.

Having said all that, if karate does end up getting in, I'd happily try out for the team.

I take on board your view, if Karate was accepted in the Olympics... they would have to work with the WUKO & WKF which are the official International bodies of Karate.

It would allow people from recognised styles to compete under specific rules and challenge one another, they would certainly see that competitors are Martial Artists first and sportsmen second. The WKF is more traditional in the styles it recognises while the WUKO are a mixture of Traditional and More Recent Styles like Kyokushin.

Taekwondo in the Olympics operates under the agreement of the WTF, Olympic Taekwondo follow WTF sparring rules or are very heavily influenced by them so I don't think many changes have been made to make it an IOC Sport.

Karate isn't as political as Taekwondo, I went to University in the UK and I noticed there were a few clubs in TKD that were "Independent" because they refused to side with the ITF or WTF. They taught the art itself and in regard to sparring trained in both ITF/WTF depending on competitions they entered.

Damo W

Hi Guys,

I teach karate Koryu Uchinadi kenpo-jutsu www.koryu-uchinadi.com (and come from a Shotokan background) I would have no problem with karate in the olympics even though I don't partake in competitions or teach competition karate (in fact quiet the opposite).

Any movement to bring karate or the ma in general to the front is good in my eyes.

And if people become involved in martial arts (regardless of what it is) from viewing something at olympic level well thats cool, the more the merrier.

[Being in the olympics might also provide the basis for an Olympic squad being formed and reduce the barriers between various groups (political and style based) and standardise the general rule set, just an add on there]

Bearing in mind that sport karate is a 'new invention' and that there are many more older karate systems than the 'traditional' ones (how can they call them traditional, but that's another thread:)) listed by WUKO and WKF.

Just my thoughts

me_arse

[Being in the olympics might also provide the basis for an Olympic squad being formed and reduce the barriers between various groups (political and style based) and standardise the general rule set, just an add on there]

Bearing in mind that sport karate is a 'new invention' and that there are many more older karate systems than the 'traditional' ones (how can they call them traditional, but that's another thread:)) listed by WUKO and WKF.

The basis of an olympic Karate squad already exists - the ONAKAI squad. ONAKAI is the national representative for the WKF in Ireland and therefore would be the Olympic squad. Its a pity it disn't get in as I believe it is a very entertaining spectator sport and the kata is second to none http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkSlONbEhDM. I think it was very unfortunate that Karate's olympic bid was turned down and I also think that the voting system was changed in a biased manner at the last minute to suit golf. Karate was second favourite to be accepted along with Rugby 7s and I believe the WKF were very disappointed in the manner of which they failed. http://www.wkf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=220:information-on-ioc-executive-board-decision-for-new-sports-added-in-the-programme&catid=42:wkf-news&Itemid=109

Chris89

If them katas get into the Olympics, well have acting and interpretative dance next.

Fair enough those little spars in that video are a bit of a competition, but is it just one hit and its over or what? not much of a fight. And whats going on with those fake fights, are they just demonstrations or what?

Maybe its because i havent a clue about karate but it seems like a rubbish spectator sport, tkd aswell.

I havent a clue about gymnastics, but thats a bit good to watch.. and the high dive and pretty much all of track and field. That appeals to everyone.

The olympics was originally just a race and a fight. Thats what you want

DaBrow

me_arse wrote: »

[Being in the olympics might also provide the basis for an Olympic squad being formed and reduce the barriers between various groups (political and style based) and standardise the general rule set, just an add on there]

Bearing in mind that sport karate is a 'new invention' and that there are many more older karate systems than the 'traditional' ones (how can they call them traditional, but that's another thread:)) listed by WUKO and WKF.

The basis of an olympic Karate squad already exists - the ONAKAI squad. ONAKAI is the national representative for the WKF in Ireland and therefore would be the Olympic squad. Its a pity it disn't get in as I believe it is a very entertaining spectator sport and the kata is second to none http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkSlONbEhDM. I think it was very unfortunate that Karate's olympic bid was turned down and I also think that the voting system was changed in a biased manner at the last minute to suit golf. Karate was second favourite to be accepted along with Rugby 7s and I believe the WKF were very disappointed in the manner of which they failed. http://www.wkf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=220:information-on-ioc-executive-board-decision-for-new-sports-added-in-the-programme&catid=42:wkf-news&Itemid=109

I'm hoping people like you would join the group at the beggining of this thread, I feel that Karate was sidelined purely for money.... There are more Karate Practioners than Golf & Rugby enthusiasts I believe.

I was very angered that Golf was chosen over Karate... Especially when the spirit of the games is supposed to be about Amateurs acheiving great things.

Boxing for example is an amateur sport in the games and Professional Boxers are not allowed compete under IOC rules, most of the categories are in the spirit of this ideal.

There are already loads of internationally recognised tours and tournaments for that sport; this will be dominated entirely by professionals and will ruin the games.... Rugby is like this too and I feel the IOC sold out to commercialism.

Chris89

your facebook group still only has one member by the way.

DaBrow

Chris89 wrote: »

your facebook group still only has one member by the way.

Give it time!:)

It's only a day old

Roper

People seriously overestimate the popularity and importance of what they do. Karate is, by and large, not a sport for the vast majority of people so saying it's popular therefore it should be in is a bit rich.

Gorman

A K1 style event would be great, that way it's open to boxers, Mauy Thai, TKD, karate, kickboxers etc,

BTW I know that would never happen, would be great though.

DaBrow

Roper wrote: »

People seriously overestimate the popularity and importance of what they do. Karate is, by and large, not a sport for the vast majority of people so saying it's popular therefore it should be in is a bit rich.

The event selection rules were suddenly changed to make it easier for Golf & Rugby (Money?) than Karate, which was a leading contender.

Many were angered of this, especially when there are already enough Golf & Rugby tournaments.

Sid_Justice

I think it's a bit premature for a sport that doesn't even have a proper world championships to go looking for olympics recognition.

I've love to see submission grappling make it to the games but i won't hold my breath. wouldn't mind if they got rid of Greco.

Chris89

Karate is just so boring to watch unless youre involved in it.

Why would you want them to get rid of greco??

Sid_Justice

I don't see the justification for 2 different types of wrestling in the games. I'd doubt anyone that doesn't wrestle knows what the difference is. if they're going to have two types why not have freestyle and submission? obviously i don't do greco.

DaBrow

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I think it's a bit premature for a sport that doesn't even have a proper world championships to go looking for olympics recognition.

I've love to see submission grappling make it to the games but i won't hold my breath. wouldn't mind if they got rid of Greco.

Sorry??

There is the WKF World Championships

There are plenty of other Championships aswell but the World Karate Federation (IOC Recognised) which is one of only two Officially recognised International Bodies for Karate has these events.

The WKF WORLD KARATE CHAMPIONSHIPS are held every 2 years, the last time they were held was 2008.

Doug Cartel

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I don't see the justification for 2 different types of wrestling in the games. I'd doubt anyone that doesn't wrestle knows what the difference is. if they're going to have two types why not have freestyle and submission? obviously i don't do greco.

They've been there since the early days of the modern games. The selection criteria really only applies to additions. There's probably a quite a few older events they could do with culling, but that's not something I want to get started on right now.

Doug Cartel

Chris89 wrote: »

Karate is just so boring to watch unless youre involved in it.

I could say the same about a lot of the sports. I can remember discussing judo with non judo people during the last games, and they were not impressed.

Furious-Dave

DaBrow wrote: »

Sorry??

There is the WKF World Championships

There are plenty of other Championships aswell but the World Karate Federation (IOC Recognised) which is one of only two Officially recognised International Bodies for Karate has these events.

The WKF WORLD KARATE CHAMPIONSHIPS are held every 2 years, the last time they were held was 2008.

Just watched some of it there on Youtube. A lot of unnecessary shouting. How is it that Knockdown Karate fighters don't do nearly as much "Kiai"? Sorry but I'm with Chris89 on this one, it's boring to watch. The Kyokushin vs TaeKwonDo clip was cool though. Knockdown is the only type of Karate competition I could stick watching.

Doug Cartel

The shouting is to get the judges to notice that you "hit" your opponent. It's not as necessary in knockdown, because it's much easier for the judges to notice when somebody has been beaten half unconscious.

Chris89

Surely if you were good enough at hitting you wouldnt need to shout for the judges to notice you made contact.

its a snooze to watch.

Furious-Dave

Doug Cartel wrote: »

The shouting is to get the judges to notice that you "hit" your opponent. It's not as necessary in knockdown, because it's much easier for the judges to notice when somebody has been beaten half unconscious.

Ye I suppose that makes sense. The first KO in the KK vs TKD video looked sore, POW! Right in the liver Although looking at it again it's hard to tell which of the final 2 punches did the damage.

Doug Cartel

Sidenote: You should check out kendo, where hits don't count at all unless you cut, stamp and shout at the same time. I used to train judo in a building where our hall was connected to another where they trained kendo. The noises you'd hear coming out of that place were unreal.

joepenguin

Charlie3dan wrote: »

The martial arts that are in the Olympics have been changed to suit the Olympics. While this might mean greater exposure for the art I think some of the changes are to the detrement of the art.

The problem is now that the wkf have changed alot of their rulings etc to make them more olympic friendly but they are not in. Imo all the detrimental changes have taken place but there is still no recognition.

From a spectator point of view i can see how its not interesting. Mainly the contact issue. Try to convince someone to watch a game of football where you are not allowed score goals, and if a team do score a goal then that is deemed unfair and they get disqualified. Becasue thats what people outside of the sport karate world see when the see wkf style fights.

DaBrow

Furious-Dave wrote: »

Just watched some of it there on Youtube. A lot of unnecessary shouting. How is it that Knockdown Karate fighters don't do nearly as much "Kiai"? Sorry but I'm with Chris89 on this one, it's boring to watch. The Kyokushin vs TaeKwonDo clip was cool though. Knockdown is the only type of Karate competition I could stick watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBhtnP_vTwc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OZi8KoSjMQ&feature=related

WKF is mainly Semi-contact but Full-Contact does exist too

Chris89

DaBrow wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBhtnP_vTwc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OZi8KoSjMQ&feature=related

WKF is mainly Semi-contact but Full-Contact does exist too

watched that video there, the world champs promotions one.

The deal seems to be, it doesnt matter if you get absoloutely boshed in the face, as long as you bosh someone marginally sooner.

In pretty much every one of the examples, both people get punched, one just lands milliseconds sooner.

There is no sporting appeal, and no aesthetic appeal either. Because of what i noted above, its not even appealing as a display of skill.

I do appreciate that this is all coming from me, who has no clue about the ins and outs. But i think thats a great point in itself as 99% of the people watching the olympics also wont have a breeze what all the shouts are for.

Furious-Dave

DaBrow wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBhtnP_vTwc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OZi8KoSjMQ&feature=related

WKF is mainly Semi-contact but Full-Contact does exist too

I was going to make a comment but I can see this entire thread becoming a completely off topic Karate debate

DaBrow

Furious-Dave wrote: »

I was going to make a comment but I can see this entire thread becoming a completely off topic Karate debate

I must admit, you're right.

This is about Karate being cheated out of the Olympics...

Chris89

nobody wants to watch it. its as simple as that

Roper

I think they should include Karate chopping. Blocks, wood, ice, that sort of thing. They could do it on the weightlifting platforms.

Only chopping though. There's a shortage of chopping in the Olympics.

DaBrow

Chris89 wrote: »

nobody wants to watch it. its as simple as that

http://www.wkf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=217:aips-poll-karate-and-rugby-7s-are-the-medias-choice-for-new-olympic-sports&catid=42:wkf-news&Itemid=109

"A total of 305 journalists from 83 countries registered their vote.
Sport Votes Percentage
Karate 120 20.48%"


http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=3806&tp=n

Chris89

That post made no sense and im afraid those links might be pr0n.

I represent the people, there is allready so many snoozes in the olympics..like, that one where they ski around and shoot weird guns.

From a spectators point of view, there is ABSOLOUTELY no need for a fight where youre not actually allowed to fight... to be included in the olympic games.

I appreciate you would like to see it in there and thats cool. But people who dont do karate's couldnt care less.

DaBrow

Chris89 wrote: »

That post made no sense and im afraid those links might be pr0n.

I represent the people, there is allready so many snoozes in the olympics..like, that one where they ski around and shoot weird guns.

From a spectators point of view, there is ABSOLOUTELY no need for a fight where youre not actually allowed to fight... to be included in the olympic games.

I appreciate you would like to see it in there and thats cool. But people who dont do karate's couldnt care less.

You're not a Karateka, so I fail to see how you represent their opinion....

Martial Artists in the IOC apart from Taekwondo & Judo Practioners have no representation publicly, how do you know they don't want Karate in the Olympics?

You're confusing the winter games with the Summer Games, but the Olympics is an event which entirely military themed in origin.

The last link is the International Sports Press Association, I hardly think you'll see people taking their clothes off there! That post shows what sport they would like to see as an olympic event, Karate came tops!!!

Chris89

I mean i represent the people who arent karatekakas or whatever.

I did karate when i was a kid, and my uncle is an 5th dan blackbelt a Dublin karate school, so im not hating on karate or anything, i just dont see its place in the olympics.

My point is, theres allready enough events that shouldnt be in there from a spectators point of view, so why add another.