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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

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    #2732
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭nerd69


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can Cam win a superbowl? Just curious if people think he has it in him. Love watching him play!

    i do think he can but not for a few years he needs more players around him.
    as a matter of fact i think he can and i emphasize i didn't say he will but he has the potential to be a hof qb


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    #2733
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭nerd69


    matthew8 wrote: »
    Absolutely. I can't see any reason he can't. Good attitude, good throw, smart, durable. He has it all. The only thing that could hold him back is maybe the lockout made him look better than he really is, I don't have anything to back this up but I felt rookie qbs did really well last year and it mightn't be a coincidence there was a lockout.

    this is a very good point actually there was so many records broken last year the lockout helped peoples numbers


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    #2734
    TimThomas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭TimThomas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can Cam win a superbowl? Just curious if people think he has it in him. Love watching him play!

    He needs a team around him to aid in his efforts thats for sure. Newton is a bright young QB and has shown us the goods but the Panthers are not there just yet.


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    #2735
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Just thinking out loud who will be on Hard Knocks?

    Before the lockout the Bucs were a hot favourite but that's gone now

    Has to be Denver surely?
    New owners in St Louis and Jacksonville will be trying to build up their profiles

    Texans would be a good watch too

    Training camp is not that far away. Well even if it's a few months the HBO producers will be getting organized now


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    #2736
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭nerd69


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Just thinking out loud who will be on Hard Knocks?

    Before the lockout the Bucs were a hot favourite but that's gone now

    Has to be Denver surely?

    Texans would be a good watch too

    on a simular subject is there a hard knocks curse ala the madden curse


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    #2737
    spiralism
    Registered Users Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Just thinking out loud who will be on Hard Knocks?

    Before the lockout the Bucs were a hot favourite but that's gone now

    Has to be Denver surely?
    New owners in St Louis and Jacksonville will be trying to build up their profiles

    Texans would be a good watch too

    Training camp is not that far away. Well even if it's a few months the HBO producers will be getting organized now

    We were considered last year but Elway said no to the idea(was cancelled last year anyways though), he didn't want the circus surrounding it. If Tebowmania and it's subsequent killing off with the Manning signing proved anything, it's that Elway wants a grounded, successful organisation that earns its respect and fame through sustained success, not a media circus. Can't fault that attitude.


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    #2738
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    nerd69 wrote: »
    on a simular subject is there a hard knocks curse ala the madden curse

    The Jets got to the AFC championship game the last season, there's none of that do-lally going on around Hard Knocks.

    And Hard knocks is more about who will allow it rather than who might be most popularly wanted. If anything teams struggling to be competitive make for more interesting material.


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    #2739
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    spiralism wrote: »
    We were considered last year but Elway said no to the idea(was cancelled last year anyways though), he didn't want the circus surrounding it. If Tebowmania and it's subsequent killing off with the Manning signing proved anything, it's that Elway wants a grounded, successful organisation that earns its respect and fame through sustained success, not a media circus. Can't fault that attitude.

    Err, well if that's what you want you don't bring in the biggest free agent in perhaps the history of the NFL. The circus will continue unabated in Denver, just under a different name.


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    #2740
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭nerd69


    Syferus wrote: »
    The Jets got to the AFC championship game the last season, there's none of that do-lally going on around Hard Knocks.

    And Hard knocks is more about who will allow it rather than who might be most popularly wanted. If anything teams struggling to be competitive make for more interesting material.

    fair point and i agree i know the bucs refused as well. personally id like to see the packers theres a lot of characters in the changing room and there seems to be a lot of camaraderie
    Syferus wrote: »
    Err, well if that's what you want you don't bring in the biggest free agent in perhaps the history of the NFL. The circus will continue unabated in Denver, just under a different name.

    hard knocks is not worth the circus peyton manning is worth all of it and more


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    #2741
    spiralism
    Registered Users Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Syferus wrote: »
    Err, well if that's what you want you don't bring in the biggest free agent in perhaps the history of the NFL. The circus will continue unabated in Denver, just under a different name.

    Manning doesn't create controversy like Tebow though, he'll win a lot of games and we'll be in the spotlight for being good rather than for massive debate surrounding Tebow


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    #2742
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    spiralism wrote: »
    Manning doesn't create controversy like Tebow though, he'll win a lot of games and we'll be in the spotlight for being good rather than for massive debate surrounding Tebow

    A very possible scenario: Manning gets injured and they're left with nothing at QB and a team built around veteran comfort blankets and a defence set up to defend leads. You'll see the same fans that paid for billboards for Tebow going into complete meltdown alongside the team itself. Elway would end up ran out of town.

    Going after Manning means you're setting one obvious goal: now or never. Manning could stay healthy and this could still end up a failure because the Broncos roster needs so many other things to fall for it to be able to truly compete for the Superbowl. All that 'building through the draft' guff - and that's all it obviously was given this move - is out the window. They've racketed up the expectations far, far beyond what they would have been with Tebow.

    This has much, much more scope for controversy written into it.


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    #2743
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭nerd69


    Syferus wrote: »
    A very possible scenario: Manning gets injured and they're left with nothing at QB and a team built around veteran comfort blankets and a defence set up to defend leads. You'll see the same fans that paid for billboards for Tebow going into complete meltdown alongside the team itself. Elway would end up ran out of town.

    Going after Manning means you're setting one obvious goal: now or never. Manning could stay healthy and this could still end up a failure because the Broncos oster needs so many other things to fall for it to be able to truly compete for the Superbowl. All that 'building through the draft' guff - and that's all it obviously was given this move - is out the window. They've racketed up the expectations far, far beyond what they would have been with Tebow.

    This has much, much more scope for controversy written into it.

    its a risk but its worth it a healthy manning gives any team a chance at a super bowl tebow does not if eli manning went down last year the giants wouldnt have won a superbowl players can get injured and it can end your season football is a risky game and a top 5 qb of all time is worth the risk more than most any broncos fan giving out about this is mad 1 sb beats the years of playoffs they will get at best with tebow


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    #2744
    poldebruin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭poldebruin


    Syferus wrote: »
    A very possible scenario: Manning gets injured and they're left with nothing at QB and a team built around veteran comfort blankets and a defence set up to defend leads.

    Totally possible - for all 32 teams, every year. Nothing unique to Denver with this comment.
    Syferus wrote: »
    You'll see the same fans that paid for billboards for Tebow going into complete meltdown alongside the team itself. Elway would end up ran out of town.

    Elway pursued and landed the biggest free agent acquisition in the NFL for many years. If Manning can be 3/4 the quarterback he was at his peak, he has made Denver a legitimate contender in the AFC overnight.

    Syferus wrote: »
    Going after Manning means you're setting one obvious goal: now or never.

    Hardly never, but certainly nothing wrong with going for it now as you say.
    Syferus wrote: »
    Manning could stay healthy and this could still end up a failure because the Broncos roster needs so many other things to fall for it to be able to truly compete for the Superbowl.

    That's true also, but the main thing the roster needed was vast improvement at the quarterback position, which he has now addressed in spades. Another solid draft and 1 or 2 more value free agent signings and the roster will be an improvemnt over last years version.
    Syferus wrote: »
    All that 'building through the draft' guff - and that's all it obviously was given this move - is out the window.

    Bit of a negative tone here - but I still believe that Elway's preferred method of building a team will be through the draft. Peyton Mannings do not come on the market often (ever) and I'm glad they chose to pursue him. There's nothing wrong with adding to yuor team thorugh free agency, and there's usually value to be had if you wait a week or two.
    Syferus wrote: »
    They've racketed up the expectations far, far beyond what they would have been with Tebow.

    So what? - surely this is a good thing. If you improve your team you can hardly be accused of ratcheting up expectations?
    Syferus wrote: »
    This has much, much more scope for controversy written into it.

    Well it's certainly the biggest story of the offseason and will be followed closely for the entirity of the NFL season I'm sure - but the right play was made by the FO, and whether that stirs controversy or not is not of concern to them.


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    #2745
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Well this is a little different to other QB situations. They've switched directly from 'let's build this from the ground up', be that with Tebow or someone else, to having a 3-4 year window, if lucky, to use an expensive HOF-bound vetern QB to win a Superbowl and consequently having to buy their way to a 'Bowl ready team.

    It's a completely switch of tacts and that's what makes it a risk - if it fails (and with Manning's recent history there's increased scope for that) everyone will be ready to tell Elway and company how utterly stupid they were to put all their eggs in one basket.

    It's the Farve/Childress dynamic with a less showy QB. The carts are hitched and they're either reaching the stars together or crashing in a flaming heap.

    Objectively it's a no-brainer to want a QB of Manning's talent, but this is fraught with potential disaster for all parties.


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    #2746
    poldebruin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭poldebruin


    They can still do both. If they draft a QB to sit for 2/3 years, who'll take over upon Manning's retirement.

    Tebow was clearly not Elway's guy and rather then replace him with a freshly drafted qb or ride into another season of uncertainty with him, they have replaced him with Peyton Manning!!

    Denver are still well under the cap for the season, and have not sacrificed future cap space (someone else should be able to confirm this - I'm no expert) but I don't feel this is a do - or - die approach or buying their way to be bowl ready.

    As a Denver fan I would like to see them spend as much as they can (up to the cap) upgrading the roster. Nothing would make me happier.


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    #2747
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    poldebruin wrote: »
    They can still do both. If they draft a QB to sit for 2/3 years, who'll take over upon Manning's retirement.

    Tebow was clearly not Elway's guy and rather then replace him with a freshly drafted qb or ride into another season of uncertainty with him, they have replaced him with Peyton Manning!!

    Denver are still well under the cap for the season, and have not sacrificed future cap space (someone else should be able to confirm this - I'm no expert) but I don't feel this is a do - or - die approach or buying their way to be bowl ready.

    As a Denver fan I would like to see them spend as much as they can (up to the cap) upgrading the roster. Nothing would make me happier.

    You don't get Peyton Manning to win division titles.

    Elway's stuck his neck on the line by getting Manning and anything less than an AFC title in the next few years will damage him, and in the worst case scenarios, mean he's out of a job.

    People were all about saying Elway and co were bringing direction back to the Broncos after McDaniels; well, they've just changed that direction mid-stream and that inevitably means the stakes get higher.

    That's the price you pay for your own actions and for Manning. It's to be determined if it's a viable route to continued success.


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    #2748
    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Richie Dunne doing doing some work with the Browns to help him get over an injury!


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    #2749
    spiralism
    Registered Users Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Some Miami fan messed with Jeff Ireland's wiki entry:

    w8uR.jpg

    :pac:


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    #2750
    AIR-AUSSIE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭AIR-AUSSIE


    spiralism wrote: »
    [URL=" Miami fan messed with Jeff Ireland's wiki entry:[/URL]

    [IMG][/IMG]

    :pac:

    Does GOB Bluth stand for anything, cos otherwise I know a guy from the Football365 forum with that username... :confused:


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    #2751
    spiralism
    Registered Users Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »
    Does GOB Bluth stand for anything, cos otherwise I know a guy from the Football365 forum with that username... :confused:

    He's a character in Arrested Development AFAIK


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    #2752
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Syferus wrote: »
    You don't get Peyton Manning to win division titles.

    Elway's stuck his neck on the line by getting Manning and anything less than an AFC title in the next few years will damage him, and in the worst case scenarios, mean he's out of a job.

    People were all about saying Elway and co were bringing direction back to the Broncos after McDaniels; well, they've just changed that direction mid-stream and that inevitably means the stakes get higher.

    That's the price you pay for your own actions and for Manning. It's to be determined if it's a viable route to continued success.

    It's not if they have put the future of the team on the line. There were no draft picks involved. Sure, manning will cost a lot of money, but it was money the Broncos had room to spend. If they brought in 2/3 FA's this off season for the same price manning costs, you wouldn't be saying 'make it to a SB or bust'. So why is it different just because Mannings involved. The Raiders gave up far more for Carlson Palmer, yet nobody is saying they must make the SB in the next few years to save the coaches job


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    #2753
    Syferus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    It's not if they have put the future of the team on the line. There were no draft picks involved. Sure, manning will cost a lot of money, but it was money the Broncos had room to spend. If they brought in 2/3 FA's this off season for the same price manning costs, you wouldn't be saying 'make it to a SB or bust'. So why is it different just because Mannings involved. The Raiders gave up far more for Carlson Palmer, yet nobody is saying they must make the SB in the next few years to save the coaches job

    Peyton Manning is a different beast to almost every other FA/trade in the past 15-20 years. Only Farve-Vikings is comparable and even that wasn't as hyped up as Manning's decision this week. It's an undoubted statement of intent by the Broncos.

    Manning himself wouldn't have chosen the Broncos if they werent targeting a Superbowl in the near term. That means spending and, like I keep saying, charging the franchise's purported direction mid-stream.

    Elway and co have ratcheted up expectations and hence put a lot on the line. Their job has actually became more fraught with risk with Manning than without. It's opportunity-cost.

    Hue Jackson has already been fired, by the way :pac:


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    #2754
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Great off-season.

    Shows you the weight of what has happened when the same topic is in 4 threads but all with different slants to it. The Manning thread, the Tebow thread and the Bronco's thread. Maybe move the conversations from this one to one of them 3?


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    #2755
    spiralism
    Registered Users Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Great off-season.

    Shows you the weight of what has happened when the same topic is in 4 threads but all with different slants to it. The Manning thread, the Tebow thread and the Bronco's thread. Maybe move the conversations from this one to one of them 3?

    Broncos thread? Like you're saying though, they're dealing with four different slants


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    #2756
    spiralism
    Registered Users Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Unrelated, but this fella's strips crack me up:

    Drew Litton

    here's one:

    disablefordollars-550x366.gif


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    #2757
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,754 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Aikman has lost it


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    #2758
    cosatron
    Registered Users Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭cosatron


    jeff saturday had workouts with the titan's,packers and bronco's. do you guy's think we have a chance(packers) of getting him, he would be a good addition as wells is gone and we could draft the centre from the badgers and school him up behind saturday. god the packers are very quiet in this off-season, its no fun.


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    #2759
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Ryan Diem has retired. If i were Andrew Luck I'd strongly consider not signing for the Colts.


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    #2760
    ReacherCreature
    Registered Users Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    cosatron wrote: »
    jeff saturday had workouts with the titan's,packers and bronco's. do you guy's think we have a chance(packers) of getting him, he would be a good addition as wells is gone and we could draft the centre from the badgers and school him up behind saturday. god the packers are very quiet in this off-season, its no fun.

    Packers actually signed Saturday.
    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Aikman has lost it

    What's Aikman on? That's the silliest thing I've read this week.


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    #2761
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Fantastic signing for GB simply from the perspective that he's probably the smartest lineman in the NFL. He'll be a great help to Rodgers, who's only flaw is his tendancy to take sacks.

    Plus he's the coolest mofo in the league, playing for my 2nd fave team. Stunned Denver didn't sign him. Wonder what happened.


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