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Taoiseach caves in

Lexus1976

What a fecking wimp!!!! I am a support of FF and proud of it, but will not be voting for them again if Cowan is in the party. :mad:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-caves-in-on-public-sector-pay-1960583.html

Ireland will not be making an economic recovery for a long long time. Cowan for muppet of the year.

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orourkeda

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Either the nations finances are ruined or they are not.

If they are why is he doing this?

Sizzler

A text was read out on newstalk earlier "I voted for Fianna Fail in the last election to run the country not the trade unions".

Maybe he meant ruin the country and not run

hobochris

orourkeda wrote: »

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Either the nations finances are ruined or they are not.

If they are why is he doing this?

Pin the nations bankruptcy on the unions for not getting on board maybe?

FF are just trying to save face with the voters the unions have now provided a nice scape goat for future public sector related issues.

Brian Cowen can then say it wasn't our fault, blame the unions, when things do go to ****, hoping that the general public only see this viscous animal and overlook the fact that Cowen and co. let it out of its cage and overfed it in the good times, now there is not enough food for it,so its biting the hand the feeds.

helmetjack

I too am a FF supporter/member, but i totally agree they have wilted at this, I couldn't agree more with R Bruton,...sort out the public service now! Or we'll be back in same situation in a few years, where our whole economy will be built around supporting an overall inefficient public service!

SoWatchaWant

Me and a couple of lads are going to throw a brick through his window.

Run_to_da_hills

Watch budget day, the cash is going to have to come out of someone elses arse pocket. :rolleyes:

Turd Ferguson

Cowen, I am disappoint

Crann na Beatha

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Jip

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Me and a couple of lads are going to throw a brick through his window.

If you do, I'll pay for your transport to Liberty Hall to throw several through the windows there.

highgiant1985

actually I've a question about the proposed deal.

If the public sector workers take say the full week off unpaid can they still claim the social welfare? I know for example if any normally employee doesn't work for a particular week for what ever reason they are eligible to apply for social welfare payment for that week.

Or am I completely wrong.

Bandit12

Drama queens the lot of ya.

gurramok

Jip wrote: »

If you do, I'll pay for your transport to Liberty Hall to throw several through the windows there.

It'll be better to wait until the spanking new union funded Liberty Hall is built!

Handsome Bob

Fine Gael are right, the man has shown no bottle. I don't have any issues with the public sector but we can now add them to the list of those who have successfully leaned on the government (along with students and pensioners). FF can't keep caving in like this every time an interest group bands together and makes some scary noise.

Biggins

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Watch budget day, the cash is going to have to come out of someone elses arse pocket. :rolleyes:

Yep, everyone's more so. 7 days and counting till we see how much more we are all going to squeeze from our pockets!

Yet AGAIN another example of why FF should no longer be running things and why Cowen is most definitely not leadership material.
Charlie Haughty as we know now was a crooked as they come but by god he would have stood up to these FAR over paid union leader bullies!

Sean Quagmire

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Me and a couple of lads are going to throw a brick through his window.

Cool, I gots the wheels

http://www.dailyraider.com/tv/simpsonsseason6/riverdale.jpg

Sizzler

The union leaders are brekaing their bollix laughing this morning, they cant believe what they have got away with :eek:

Private sector workers = If you havent lost your job you have more than likely been asked to take a pay cut of some sort and invariably do more work.

Public sector workers = A half baked pay cut which in real terms means take an extra 2 weeks off lads on top of the 30+ days you probably have already.

Only in Ireland.

If Lenihan has any balls he will step down now as he has been shafted by Cowen. I'd vote for Dustin at this stage if he fancies having a crack at running the kip.

Sizzler

Iolar wrote: »

what precedence wil this set?:eek:

If you moan and complain enough the government will shyte themselves and go away and annoy someone else.

Danbo!

The unions said Cowen would crack at any time purple monkey dishwasher

Fuhrer

Typical move form a government that knows its going to lose the next election.

Leave the place so messed up so that when the next one comes in and has to fix it by actually cutting spending and reducing the wages to the undeserving public sector people are going to say

"Things were so much better under Fianna Fail, when we were in dire financial straits and every economist said we would have to take a pay cut we just stamped our feet and cried and they gave us another 20 days off work to sit at home and throw our toys out of our prams"

Fly1

What else do you expect from a party made up of a bunch of teachers on long-term leave and lawyers? Fire them all.

Sanjuro

Caved on this, caved on the church scandal. The man's a feckless waster. And so are the majority of his party. No surprise at all.

kincsem

Do not worry. When staff take time off other public sector workers will supply cover at the standard overtime rates.

Cut one hour, pay an hour and a half to cover.

folan

Biggins wrote: »

Charlie Haughty as we know now was a crooked as they come but by god he would have stood up to these FAR over paid union leader bullies!

As someone too young to remember Haughty, but cant understand alot of Irelands unconditional love of this man, this is a big statement, and one that says alot about the current state of affairs!

BraziliaNZ

kincsem wrote: »

Do not worry. When staff take time off other public sector workers will supply cover at the standard overtime rates.

Cut one hour, pay an hour and a half to cover.

There's no such thing as overtime in the civil service these days anyway. I for one have to come in on Saturdays sometimes and don't get paid any extra for it, but someone has to do it.
People having to take 2 weeks off unpaid amounts to something like a 7% cut in the wage bill.
So they have cut costs and saved 7%, and kept the unions happy. It just means people will have to deal with their workload when they come back.
How is this such a defeat for the taxpayer?

kincsem

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

There's no such thing as overtime in the civil service these days anyway.

Da Frontline? Garda ?

BennyLava

in one way it's a good move by FF

the measure is temp one for next year only, FF know they are going to loose the next election, if that happens next year, whoever takes control will have to sort out the PS ( becoming the "bad guys" in the process), FF from the opposition benches, can start the usual hand wringing, about how they always worked with the PS and others, and things were never as bad under their leadership,
setting themselves up for reelection 5-10 years down the line

always remember (and Cowen himself said this) FF first, they couldn't give a ****e about the country as long as they have power

BraziliaNZ

kincsem wrote: »

Da Frontline? Garda ?

i don't know, I am civil service not Garda.
Here's what bugs me - when people come on here moaning about how they can only work 4 day weeks now etc in the private sector, now that we have to do something similar you're saying it's just more holidays for us? Why is it different for us??

Biggins

folan wrote: »

As someone too young to remember Haughty, but cant understand alot of Irelands unconditional love of this man, this is a big statement, and one that says alot about the current state of affairs!

There is no love of the man from me - in any shape or form.
I still can't believe that they erected a statue to him in one west port!
Charlie was an utter crook (..and he taught his then finance minister well! O' wait, that was Ahern. There's a surprise! :rolleyes: ) - BUT - the one thing he did possess just one thing that some considered an asset, and that was he was strong and willing to get something done and refused totally to be bullied.

Sizzler

Will the government also get an extra 12-15 days off given they are on the public payroll as well? This seems to have been glossed over :eek:

How the fook is that going to work

enda1

kincsem wrote: »

Da Frontline? Garda ?

Gardaí are public service. Which frontline civil service?