Worst Car Maker ever

RobAMerc

Inspired by the Top Gears/ Boards Best Car Maker ever how about a thread devoted to the brands that have done nothing what so ever for motoring. The brand that despite making loads and loads of cars never really took motoring forward.


Please don't start Alfa bashing, I know the boardsies are besotted with reliability, but there really is alot more to cars than that and there really is alot more to car companies than the last 20 yrs !

I'm gonna kick it off with my opinion.

Opel - in my opinion Opel / Vauxhall have done nothing for motoring bar provide mediocre sh*te for people who couldn't give a fiddlers.
I've yet to see Opel produce something innovative - I notice even their latest advert uses a German slogan. Wow - now why has nobody ever thought of that before !

Tragedy

Vx220? Nova? Manta? Lotus Carlton?

Mr.David

Daewoo have made some horendous sh1te....

The City Rover was the biggest joke ever....

Buick are pretty awful too....

Owen

Daewoooooooooooooooooooooooo. Imagine the shame of telling someone you drive a Daewoooooooooooooooo Tacuma/Nubira/Leganza. "Oh but it's a chevrolet!" ... really? Does it have a v8 hemi, or a straight six? Then it's not a real chevvy, is it.

RobAMerc

Tragedy wrote: »

Vx220? Nova? Manta? Lotus Carlton?

VX220 = Lotus
Nova = sh*te ( had one )
Manta = sh*te
Lotus Carlton = its in the name.

high horse

Tragedy wrote: »

Vx220? Nova? Manta? Lotus Carlton?

Manta - far too tail happy
VX220 - Its made by Lotus
Lotus Carlton - well its a Lotus, isn't it?

Opel were the manufacturer I thought of when I was the thread title.
Daewoo would also be a contender for the title here, cheap cars but not even good cheap like Fiats would be

Mr.David

RobAMerc wrote: »

VX220 = Lotus
Nova = sh*te ( had one )
Manta = sh*te
Lotus Carlton = its in the name.

I have to agree with you...Opel are one of those manufacturers you wouldnt give two sh1tes about if it never existed. Has contributed sweet f all...

R.O.R

I'm with RobAMerc on this one.

Up until the Insignia it appears to me that Opel/Vauxhall have had a look what Ford have done, then tried to copy it, making it cheaper but worse.

As long as it was cheaper they were selling cars, and a lot of them have been awful.

Insignia breaks the mould though, and hopefully the new Astra will too.

Joey the lips

Folks I drive a opel corsa 1.2, Its not the hottest car but extreamly reliable. If it breaks down tonight yer all dead for the jinx!

Thornography

RobAMerc wrote: »

Opel - in my opinion Opel / Vauxhall have done nothing for motoring bar provide mediocre sh*te for people who couldn't give a fiddlers.
I've yet to see Opel produce something innovative - I notice even their latest advert uses a German slogan. Wow - now why has nobody ever thought of that before !

+1

Have never and will never own one Id rather watch me money float down the jacks.

mixer101

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Worst pile of muck to ever come out of a factory.
Pure unadulterated SH1TE on wheels (as long as the wheels manage to stay attached to the rest of the excrement)

Hornswoggle

Another one for Opel here. Drove a 2004 vectra for a year and a half and it broke my heart. Never again! it's not just me though, one or two of my mates who drive newish Opels say the same...

Tragedy

RobAMerc wrote: »

VX220 = Lotus
Nova = sh*te ( had one )
Manta = sh*te
Lotus Carlton = its in the name.

Young lads absolutely loved Nova's, so they did something right.

And I think every manufacturer has used external firms to design/develop models(whether existing or new)

Renault, Mercedes, Fiat, Alfa to name but a few.

Cosmo K

Proton!

Twin-go

Kia - The interior is made from a similar plastic that holds each lare of biscuits in a tin of Kimberly and the body uses the same material as the buscuit tin itself. They need a 7 year warranty for a reason plus after about 6 months the warranty is worth more than the car.

Toyota now = Boring. they need to bring back the likes of the Celica, MR2 and Supra)

Nissan = Responsible for the Micra, need I say more?

robtri

I think people are being over critical of Opel.......

all other manufacturers are similar...... a lot of their great cars are collaboration with subsideries of the main parent or outside companies....


Worst car manufacturer ......

Daewoo comes to mind.... alright......
VW is also there...... there cars bore the pants off me..... seriously boring....

CamperMan

mixer101 wrote: »

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Worst pile of muck to ever come out of a factory.
Pure unadulterated SH1TE on wheels (as long as the wheels manage to stay attached to the rest of the excrement)

I agree with you ... FIAT are crap.

next has to be Renault, I had a 2002 Laguna, after that I promised never to get another Renault

furtzy

Que lots of people commenting on brands they have never owned......

daveharnett

Can't think of any renault that i'd be remotely interested in, but that might just be my age talking.

mixer101 wrote: »

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Worst pile of muck to ever come out of a factory.
Pure unadulterated SH1TE on wheels (as long as the wheels manage to stay attached to the rest of the excrement)

For me, lack of engineering ambition is probably the worst offence for a manufacturer, and the FIAT group can't be accused of this.

I'd be more inclined to point to some of the newer manufacturers - Kia, Daewoo, and (particularly) Ssanyong. Have not made any contribution to the development of the automobile, and looks like they have no intention of doing so, just turning a profit from rehashing the innovation of others.

RobAMerc

mixer101 wrote: »

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Worst pile of muck to ever come out of a factory.
Pure unadulterated SH1TE on wheels (as long as the wheels manage to stay attached to the rest of the excrement)

As I said - its not about reliability and it also shouldn't be about the last few years.

Fiat have a superb motoring history - lots of classics produced and lots of great cars under their belts.

I'd have them well in the top 15 greats!

RobAMerc

daveharnett wrote: »

Can't think of any renault that i'd be remotely interested in, but that might just be my age talking.

Take a look back at the 5 Gordini, 5 GT Turbo, Clio 16v, Clio 172, 182 etc and at the current crop, hot Meganes are said to be cracking cars ( no experience of them ).

Renault have a fine history of fine sports cars for the masses.

No way I can agree.

mike65

Suzuki, witless dull motoring. Opel have produced the Senator, the Monza and the Manta all of which have some merit.

Kia?

daveharnett

RobAMerc wrote: »

Take a look back at the 5 Gordini, 5 GT Turbo, Clio 16v, Clio 172, 182 etc and at the current crop, hot Meganes are said to be cracking cars ( no experience of them ).

Renault have a fine history of fine sports cars for the masses.

No way I can agree.

Fair enough. All bar the hot clios (which I forgot) were before my time. I stand corrected.

bazzachazza

Lada ?

unkel

Cosmo K wrote: »

Proton!

Mr.David wrote: »

Daewoo have made some horendous sh1te....

Anything Malaysian or Korean. Pretty much anything Asian really.

*runs away fast - the Toyotabois are coming *

TomMc

British Leyland et al produced some awful rubbish down the years.

The Opel Omega was a highly competent car, not that far back. And the Vauxhall Senator was also a lot of motor for the money on the used market.

Renault were always one of the major players when it came to hot hatches and still are.

Fiat had the Coupe and the Barchetta in more recent times. The Dino and 130 Coupe amongst others are all time classics. In fact even the old boss of Bristol cars drove a 125 as his everyday transport and drives a new 500 nowadays.

coolbeans

Quite a lot of people talking shtie on this thread.

cnocbui

mixer101 wrote: »

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Worst pile of muck to ever come out of a factory.
Pure unadulterated SH1TE on wheels (as long as the wheels manage to stay attached to the rest of the excrement)

I love silly provocative opinions. :rolleyes:

VolvoMan

Opel, like Audi, aren't really a manufacturer in their own right. Before GM took them over in the 1920's they might have been, but a lot of their cars are sold identically around the world under GM's various brands. I also don't understand what it is that makes the English think Vauxhall is a brand of their own when really they are just another one of GM's brands used around the world.

antomorro-sei

Anything French.

Tragedy

VolvoMan wrote: »

Opel, like Audi, aren't really a manufacturer in their own right. Before GM took them over in the 1920's they might have been, but a lot of their cars are sold identically around the world under GM's various brands. I also don't understand what it is that makes the English think Vauxhall is a brand of their own when really they are just another one of GM's brands used around the world.

Why did Irish people think Jordan were an Irish F1 team?

Vauxhall's are by and large manufactured in England(as are Irish opels, right?)
A lot of the cars receive significant input based on what they think English buyers want.

Tea 1000

coolbeans wrote: »

Quite a lot of people talking shtie on this thread.

Agreed. Fiat are one of the most innovative brands of all. Top 5 anyway. Toyota have had their moments, but their shower of dull-boxes dampen the memories!! VW have had their ups and downs. The big French 3 have their classics a-plenty. Opel have a lot of mediocrity though. They are struggling for innovation history. The Insignia is fantastic, but apart from the Omega and a few Lotus models, I'm sorry to say it's the first Opel ever that I'd actually buy with my own money! But there has been worse, so I wouldn't have them at the bottom.
I'm sure there's a Chinese model or two that are crap. What have Lada done either? Daewoo are poor alright. Kia and Hyundai are trying at least, and beating others at their own game, so wouldn't criticise. I always thought the C'eed is the car the crappy Auris should have been.

daveharnett

unkel wrote: »

Anything Malaysian or Korean. Pretty much anything Asian really.

*runs away fast - the Toyotabois are coming *

And the nissanbois, hondabois, mitsubois, scoobois et al...:D

Blitzkrieger

TomMc wrote: »

British Leyland et al produced some awful rubbish down the years.

/thread

RobAMerc

daveharnett wrote: »

And the nissanbois, hondabois, mitsubois, scoobois et al...:D

Can't agree - almost all of these produced something interesting at one point at least.

SV

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Anything French.

The worst car maker ever is 'Anything French.' ?
Never heard of them.



p.s: try and make sure the next reply uses more than a few brain cells.

Tea 1000

SV wrote: »

The worst car maker ever is 'Anything French.' ?
Never heard of them.

You're better off, they were woeful! The "Anything French 1000" was particularly bad, but the worst of all was the "Anything French Oooh-la-laaaa". As ironically named as the Mitsubishi Charisma and the Nissan Sunny!

Big Nasty

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Daewoooooooooooooooooooooooo. Imagine the shame of telling someone you drive a Daewoooooooooooooooo Tacuma/Nubira/Leganza. "Oh but it's a chevrolet!" ... really? Does it have a v8 hemi, or a straight six? Then it's not a real chevvy, is it.

Chevy didn't make The Hemi!

daveharnett

mike65 wrote: »

Suzuki, witless dull motoring.

I'd consider the swift sport the best supermini around at the moment.

And then there's this. (edit: go 4:30 in)

biko

Trabant

antomorro-sei

SV wrote: »

The worst car maker ever is 'Anything French.' ?
Never heard of them.



p.s: try and make sure the next reply uses more than a few brain cells.

Sweet Jesus :eek: take it handy yeah?

Pug, Citroen, Renault etc...

VolvoMan

Tragedy wrote: »

Why did Irish people think Jordan were an Irish F1 team?

Probably a similar reason to why we thought Opel were Irish because they sponsored the football team.

Twin-go

furtzy wrote: »

Que lots of people commenting on brands they have never owned......

Why would I want to go out and buy a crap car from a crap brand

daveharnett

RobAMerc wrote: »

Can't agree - almost all of these produced something interesting at one point at least.

I agree. I'm pointing out that unkel has dismissed a lot of awfully good asian manufacturers.

Twin-go

Tea 1000 wrote: »

You're better off, they were woeful! The "Anything French 1000" was particularly bad, but the worst of all was the "Anything French Oooh-la-laaaa". As ironically named as the Mitsubishi Charisma and the Nissan Sunny!

Everybody knows the French are renowned for their handling, Va va voom:D

coolbeans

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Anything French.

Can't agree there. Citroen: DS, Traction Avant, 2CV, CX and the cheap 'n cheerful MPVs they're making at the moment. Great cars.
Peugeot: Pioneers in diesel and continue to be so. Indeed they make the only truly reliable high tech diesels at the moment as far as I can see. Not to mention the 205s GTI and non GTI, the Rallye variations, the 505...many others if I had the time.
Renault's been covered already.

FIAT made the original small car; the Topolino. Their current range is pretty good too. The stereotype is a lazy one at best.

deceit

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Sweet Jesus :eek: take it handy yeah?

Pug, Citroen, Renault etc...

I wouldnt agree with this even in recent years pug 106gti, 205gti, 306gti, saxo vts, renault clio any sporty model and the new renault megane hot hatch would be brilliant cars. No forgetting a citreon ds and other classics also

VolvoMan

Alfa Romeo





Runs for cover!

coolbeans

A Kia Cee'd is a decent car. Crap brand but decent cars. Anyone who knows what they're talking about will admit this.

daveharnett

mixer101 wrote: »

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Worst pile of muck to ever come out of a factory.
Pure unadulterated SH1TE on wheels (as long as the wheels manage to stay attached to the rest of the excrement)

CamperMan wrote: »

I agree with you ... FIAT are crap.

next has to be Renault, I had a 2002 Laguna, after that I promised never to get another Renault

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Anything French.

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Sweet Jesus :eek: take it handy yeah?

Pug, Citroen, Renault etc...

Twin-go wrote: »

Why would I want to go out and buy a crap car from a crap brand

Top Gear has a lot to answer for.

antomorro-sei

coolbeans wrote: »

Can't agree there. Citroen: DS, Traction Avant, 2CV, CX and the cheap 'n cheerful MPVs they're making at the moment. Great cars.
Peugeot: Pioneers in diesel and continue to be so. Indeed they make the only truly reliable high tech diesels at the moment as far as I can see. Not to mention the 205s GTI and non GTI, the Rallye variations, the 505...many others if I had the time.
Renault's been covered already.

FIAT made the original small car; the Topolino. Their current range is pretty good too. The stereotype is a lazy one at best.

Yeah yeah, your right. I drive a Pug myself, however, everything just seems to brake in it :mad:

205 GTi = I want one