Freemasons?

PanchoVilla

So I'm here reading Morals and Dogma and I come across a curious passage.

The FORCE of the people, or the popular will, in action and exerted, symbolized by the
GAVEL, regulated and guided by and acting within the limits of LAW and ORDER,
symbolized by the TWENTY-FOUR-INCH RULE, has for its fruit LIBERTY, EQUALITY,
and FRATERNITY,--liberty regulated by law; equality of rights in the eye of the law;
brotherhood with its duties and obligations as well as its benefits.

Seems our friend PaintDoctor has failed to grasp the basic principles of the symbolism of Freemasonry, I wonder if your lodge knows about that. It seems the 24 inch ruler has nothing to do with the number of hours in the day and how we must use that time, but has a very different symbolic meaning. Apparently the mallet represents the force (will?) of the people, the ruler represents the rule of law, and together they are used to chisel the rough stone of the masses into a uniform society, or something to that effect.

The rough Ashlar is the PEOPLE, as a mass, rude and unorganized. The perfect Ashlar,
or cubical stone, symbol of perfection, is the STATE, the rulers deriving their powers from
the consent of the governed; the constitution and laws speaking the will of the people;
the government harmonious, symmetrical, efficient, --its powers properly distributed and
duly adjusted in equilibrium.

Anyway, if anyone is interested I'll link the PDF. It's actually a great read and Mr. Pike seems to have been a pretty good guy. I still think that Freemasonry has been corrupted and no longer stands for what it once did. This is probably down to infiltration by the Illuminati. Surprisingly, PaintDoctor doesn't even really believe such an organization exists. Perhaps he should read a bit about Adam Weishaupt. Anyway, here's the link:

http://fedgeno.com/documents/morals-and-dogma-by-albert-pike.pdf

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

, PaintDoctor doesn't even really believe such an organization exists. Perhaps he should read a bit about Adam Weishaupt. Anyway, here's the link:

http://fedgeno.com/documents/morals-and-dogma-by-albert-pike.pdf

I think you read the Illuminant Trilogy and didn't realise it was satire.

PanchoVilla

Di0genes wrote: »

I think you read the Illuminant Trilogy and didn't realise it was satire.

I think you have no knowledge of the history of secret societies. The continuous ridicule of conspiracy theorists by skeptics who are completely ignorant of the most basic knowledge of these conspiracies is becoming tedious. Do us a favor, go research these things and educate yourself a little bit before you come here and try to debunk historical fact.

Adam Weishaupt

Illuminati

The movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria), by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830), who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. The movement was made up of freethinkers, as an offshoot of the Enlightenment, and seems to have been modeled on the Freemasons. Some observers at the time, such as Seth Payson, believed the movement represented a conspiracy to infiltrate and overthrow the governments of European states. Some writers, such as Augustin Barruel and John Robison, even claimed that the Illuminati were behind the French Revolution, a claim that Jean-Joseph Mounier dismissed in his 1801 book On the Influence Attributed to Philosophers, Free-Masons, and to the Illuminati on the Revolution of France.

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I think you have no knowledge of the history of secret societies. The continuous ridicule of conspiracy theorists by skeptics who are completely ignorant of the most basic knowledge of these conspiracies is becoming tedious. Do us a favor, go research these things and educate yourself a little bit before you come here and try to debunk historical fact.

Adam Weishaupt

Illuminati

I am aware of it. And linking me to wikipedia article that cites Mark Dice, David Icke, and Alex Jones as "experts" on the illuminati is fecking hilarious.

PanchoVilla

Di0genes wrote: »

I am aware of it. And linking me to wikipedia article that cites Mark Dice, David Icke, and Alex Jones as "experts" on the illuminati is fecking hilarious.

Can you show me where that article I linked cites these people as "experts" and where even mentions Alex Jones? Oh, and I'm aware of the possible existence of black holes, it doesn't mean I know a damn thing about them. Like I said, try and educate yourself about the theories put forward on this forum before you come and try to debunk anything.

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Can you show me where that article I linked cites these people as "experts" and where even mentions Alex Jones?

"Writers such as Mark Dice,[7] David Icke, Ryan Burke, Jüri Lina and Morgan Gricar have argued that the Bavarian Illuminati survived, possibly to this day. Many of these theories propose that world events are being controlled and manipulated by a secret society calling itself the Illuminati"

So two for three.

Oh, and I'm aware of the possible existence of black holes, it doesn't mean I know a damn thing about them. QUOTE]

Thats nice however a cursory examination of the facts about Black Holes, will show there's an enormous amount of evidence supporting their existence.

Like I said, try and educate yourself about the theories put forward on this forum before you come and try to debunk anything.

Patronising and glib, instead of waving me in the direction of Icke and Wikipedia, perhaps you could cite the authors and books that you have read that support your theories.

PS Dan Brown writes fiction.

PanchoVilla

Di0genes wrote: »

So two for three.

And yet there is no mention of them being "experts" is anything. You seem to just make things up in your own head.

Thats nice however a cursory examination of the facts about Black Holes, will show there's an enormous amount of evidence supporting their existence.

You misunderstand my post. I'm simply saying that because you are aware of the Illuminati does not mean you know anything about the organization or that you even believe it actually exists/existed.

Patronising and glib, instead of waving me in the direction of Icke and Wikipedia, perhaps you could cite the authors and books that you have read that support your theories.

PS Dan Brown writes fiction.

I won't waste any more of my time then. I'm sure any works I site will be just as quickly dismissed as you dismiss Icke, a man who has spent years of his life researching these subjects. I may not agree with some of his theories but I can at least acknowledge the incredible amount of work he's done. You, on the other hand, seem to dismiss any and all opinions that do not agree with your own.

PS Dan Brown's fiction is based on fact, a bit like how Andy McNab's fiction is based on his years of experience in the SAS.

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

And yet there is no mention of them being "experts" is anything. You seem to just make things up in your own head.

Wow, you are just splitting hairs here.

You misunderstand my post. I'm simply saying that because you are aware of the Illuminati does not mean you know anything about the organization or that you even believe it actually exists/existed.

I am aware of the Illuminati and I am aware they don't exist except in the minds of paranoid delusional idiots like Icke and Dice.

I won't waste any more of my time then. I'm sure any works I site will be just as quickly dismissed as you dismiss Icke, a man who has spent years of his life researching these subjects. I may not agree with some of his theories but I can at least acknowledge the incredible amount of work he's done. You, on the other hand, seem to dismiss any and all opinions that do not agree with your own.

no I dismiss Icke because he's a gibbering idiot who makes lurid pronouncements, makes basic factual errors and is clueless about pretty much every verifiable fact he utters. This is a man who takes two plus plus and comes up with Prince Philip is a Lizard.

PS Dan Brown's fiction is based on fact, a bit like how Andy McNab's fiction is based on his years of experience in the SAS.

Dan Brown's fiction is not based on fact he's like a child who's had Umerto's Eco's Focault's Pendulum read out to him and then tried to describe the plot.

Richard tea

Keep up the good work Pancho, your posts are very informative. My view of a Freemason is a bunch of men that get together and do dodgy business deals, brown envelopes and all that.

P.s, Pancho, be careful not to get sidetracked with thread spoilers. They would have you talk about lizard people rather than talk about their cult. Just my 2 cents:)

PanchoVilla

The Morgan Affair is an incident which took place in New York in 1826. Captain William Morgan, a former Freemason, was abducted and presumed murdered by Freemasons after he wrote a book exposing the beliefs and practices of Freemasonry. The events led to widespread opposition to Freemasonry throughout the New England states and elsewhere. The body of William Morgan was never found and he had not been seen since his abduction.

The following is an account of the Morgan Affair written by a Freemason and provided by a Freemason's website.

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/freemasonry_morgan_affair.html

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The Morgan Affair is an incident which took place in New York in 1826. Captain William Morgan, a former Freemason,

Well there's two things problematic with his account. While there were several William Morgan's in his unit during the war of 1812, there were none with the rank of captain.

And Morgan wasn't a freemason, he applied for and was rejected by this lodge.

was abducted and presumed murdered by Freemasons after he wrote a book exposing the beliefs and practices of Freemasonry. The events led to widespread opposition to Freemasonry throughout the New England states and elsewhere. The body of William Morgan was never found and he had not been seen since his abduction.

Again simply not true. Anti Masons have ceased on the case. A body was found a year later and presumed by anti Masons to be Morgan's despite the fact that the clothing was positively identified as another man.

In short anti Masons have seized on the dubious "facts" of this case
and used it as anti Mason fodder. It resonates with me as I'm reading an account of the trial of Samuel Pepys and its anti catholic hysteria.

The following is an account of the Morgan Affair written by a Freemason and provided by a Freemason's website.

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/freemasonry_morgan_affair.html

Did you actually read your account it more or less agrees with me.

We need a facepalm smile.

PanchoVilla

Di0genes wrote: »

Well there's two things problematic with his account. While there were several William Morgan's in his unit during the war of 1812, there were none with the rank of captain.

And Morgan wasn't a freemason, he applied for and was rejected by this lodge.

Now, it is documented that in 1825 he was received into the York Rite Royal Arch Degree at LeRoy, N.Y. on 31/5/1825, in the Western Star Chapter no. 33.

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/freemasonry_morgan_affair.html

I'm just going by what this Freemason tells me under "Some family history". I assume you just didn't bother reading the article or perhaps skimmed over that bit. Well, the following is a similar account by another Freemason. This account refers to Morgan as "Captain William Morgan".

Please remember that I have been talking about the first quarter of the 19th century – the
25 years leading up to the appearance in our midst of one Captain William Morgan.

Two years later he moved to Batavia, where he claimed to be a Freemason, and
attended lodge, although there is now considerable doubt that he had ever received the
Masonic degrees in any regular Lodge. The records do show, however, that in May of
1825, Morgan received the Royal Arch degree in Western Star Chapter #3 3 in LeRoy.

http://pictoumasons.org/library/Zufall,%20William%20R%20~%20The%20Morgan%20Affair.pdf

So, do you have any source that he was not a captain and not a Freemason other than what the wikipedia article claims without any reference whatsoever?

Again simply not true. Anti Masons have ceased on the case. A body was found a year later and presumed by anti Masons to be Morgan's despite the fact that the clothing was positively identified as another man.

In short anti Masons have seized on the dubious "facts" of this case
and used it as anti Mason fodder. It resonates with me as I'm reading an account of the trial of Samuel Pepys and its anti catholic hysteria.

"Dubious" facts such as Morgan was arrested and jailed by a Masonic posse and that he was bailed out and abducted by Masons? Once again, do you actually have any references for these assertions? I know it says this in the wikipedia article but I've just provided two similar accounts from two Freemasons.

Did you actually read your account it more or less agrees with me.

I should ask you the same question. The accounts I have provided clearly state he was a Captain and a Freemason accepted into the Royal Arch Degree in Western Star Chapter no. 33 in LeRoy, N.Y. These accounts were written by Freemasons so I suppose you're trying to argue with them. I'm just simply relaying the information.

We need a facepalm smile.

Indeed.

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/freemasonry_morgan_affair.html

I'm just going by what this Freemason tells me under "Some family history". I assume you just didn't bother reading the article or perhaps skimmed over that bit. Well, the following is a similar account by another Freemason. This account refers to Morgan as "Captain William Morgan".

They seem to take Morgan on his word.

http://pictoumasons.org/library/Zufall,%20William%20R%20~%20The%20Morgan%20Affair.pdf

So, do you have any source that he was not a captain and not a Freemason other than what the wikipedia article claims without any reference whatsoever?

http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/mil/usa/1812/

No mention of a Captain William Morgan.

"Dubious" facts such as Morgan was arrested and jailed by a Masonic posse and that he was bailed out and abducted by Masons? Once again, do you actually have any references for these assertions? I know it says this in the wikipedia article but I've just provided two similar accounts from two Freemasons.

No evidence he was killed. The accounts also refer to Morgan as a liar, dishonest and a fraud.

I should ask you the same question. The accounts I have provided clearly state he was a Captain and a Freemason accepted into the Royal Arch Degree in Western Star Chapter no. 33 in LeRoy, N.Y. These accounts were written by Freemasons so I suppose you're trying to argue with them. I'm just simply relaying the information.



Indeed.

Oh and dear.

PanchoVilla

The following link provides an online copy of the book William Morgan may or may not have been murdered for writing. It details the initiation ritual of an Entered Apprentice and other things I've not had a chance to read yet. It's worth a look for anyone with an interest in Freemasonry.

This is an excerpt from the initiation ceremony. Fairly graphic stuff for a gentlemen's club.

To all of which I do most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, without the least equivocation, mental reservation, or self evasion of mind in me whatever; binding myself under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water-mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-hours; so help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/captmorgansfreemasonrycontents.htm

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The following link provides an online copy of the book William Morgan may or may not have been murdered for writing. It details the initiation ritual of an Entered Apprentice and other things I've not had a chance to read yet. It's worth a look for anyone with an interest in Freemasonry.

This is an excerpt from the initiation ceremony. Fairly graphic stuff for a gentlemen's club.



http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/captmorgansfreemasonrycontents.htm

So to be clear.

There's no evidence Morgan was serving Officer in the US Army.

There's plenty of evidence Morgan was considered to be of low moral standing, and a liar.

There's no evidence Morgan was in a lodge. There is evidence that he was rejected by a lodge.


While it's likely several freemasons attacked Morgan's office, they received prison sentences.

There's no a shred of evidence Morgan was murdered by Freemasons.

Oh and All this occured 200 years ago!

If this is the most damning accusation against freemasons this is pretty pathetic .

PanchoVilla

Di0genes wrote: »

So to be clear....blah, blah, blah...

So to be clear, I'm done arguing with you. You have failed completely to debunk anything I have posted and yet you continue to deny the most obvious facts of the case as stated by Freemasons themselves. There's nothing more tedious than trying to debate someone who's just arguing for the sake of it. But hey, thanks for quoting my post. It sucks being at the bottom of a page.

Oh, and double spacing after every sentence is just attention seeking. You must really hate being ignored.

The Recliner

PanchoVilla wrote: »

So to be clear, I'm done arguing with you. You have failed completely to debunk anything I have posted and yet you continue to deny the most obvious facts of the case as stated by Freemasons themselves. There's nothing more tedious than trying to debate someone who's just arguing for the sake of it. But hey, thanks for quoting my post. It sucks being at the bottom of a page.

Oh, and double spacing after every sentence is just attention seeking. You must really hate being ignored.

We like people to be civil when posting, it is one of the rules on Boards
if you can't be civil then don't post

Doubly so if you are posting just to get a dig at someone then you really shouldn't post

Your post added nothing to the topic, please don't do that again

Di0genes

PanchoVilla wrote: »

So to be clear, I'm done arguing with you.

Thats the 2nd time you made this threat

You have failed completely to debunk anything I have posted

Actually I think I've sufficiently shown that the death of "captain" morgan is not as clear cut as you may think.

and yet you continue to deny the most obvious facts of the case as stated by Freemasons themselves.

Freemasons argue that there's no evidence Morgan was murdered.

Keeping in mine, your damning evidence that Freemasons are evil, is a 200 year old missing persons case of a man who was apparently bitter that the Freemasons rejected him.

There's nothing more tedious than trying to debate someone who's just arguing for the sake of it.

This

Oh, and double spacing after every sentence is just attention seeking. You must really hate being ignored.

And this

Trust me there is something more tedious than trying to debate someone who's arguing for the sake of it, and it's arguing with someone who's doing just that, and is completely unaware of their own hypocrisy

IceMaiden

Another interesting thread that could be very informative if given the chance.
Fortunately on some places its possible for people to talk & debate about these type of subject without it all going personal or out of balance.
My observations of the tracing board image.

Pillar on the Southside could be engraved around its top with fleur de-leys /lilies
Boaz & Joachin- Boaz possibly named after one of king David’s ancestors
Believed to symbolise strength
W-wisdom
S-strength
B-beauty
Some have said a true lodge should be built upon three pillars each on a foundation of truth & justice

Trestle/tracing board [architects drawing board] could be the master masons wisdom
Chessboard floor of dark/light frequent life challenges the surrounding border with tassels in gold are the rewards that can be achieved
four virtues temperance, fortitude, prudence, justice.

The square- honesty on the level
The plumb rule-straight upright behaviour etc
The level- equality & justice
7 stars perhaps relate to the sacred sevenfold of revelation.
.Alternatively the 7 subjects of- grammar, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music & astronomy.

Jacobs ladder 3 steps - faith, hope, charity
It’s the ladder that could be telling more only I am finding it difficult to see exactly who or what is actually displayed on the ladder.
Its obvious they are descending & in some places the Jacobs ladder shows of the connection between here & heaven or the constant link between the two perhaps even that its possible to move between the two .& Jacobs ladder 3 steps - faith, hope, charity.

Rex Deus oath :- swearing secrecy lest my tongue be cut out also that if breached ,incurs a penalty of lest my heart be torn or cut out my chest.
Apparently an early scholar on such matters [Dimitrije Mitronovic] in the early part of twentieth century found some common links between some freemasons rituals & the knights templar & Rex Duce history.

Ballentradoch[Temple] has Templar graves & Masonic ones.
Kilmory has a gravestone depicting a warrior/knight & Templar cross & a Masonic type set square unfortunately so far its undated.
A templar mason knights gravestone with sword/cross hammer & square from pre1291 is to be found in Israel..
A picture of the lord with compass the divine architect is found in a mid thirteenth century bible[bible moralisee]
Another similar depiction of the lord is in a fourteenth century Holkham bible architect of the universe.
One of the original Templar/Masonic links goes back to a German noble Baron Karl Gottlieb von Hund in the early 1750sclaiming to be initiated as chevalier templier.

I was most interested to read about The METAL SQUARE at the 16th century
Limerick bridge, any further information on this would be very welcome.
A number of graveyards in GB have Masonic graves from many years past & amongst notable old buildings are a number of churches having Masonic connections , it would be interesting to know of any old buildings or graves etc around Ireland with any Masonic links or Templar ,much of this history goes un-noticed or not recognised but much is still to be found

gizmo

Wasn't the explanation of the board given in this post already?

PanchoVilla

To answer Icemaiden's post, Ireland has a long history of Freemasonry. The Wellington Monument in Phoenix Park, an obelisk representing the lost phallus of Osiris, was of course built to commemorate Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington. Arthur Wellesley was the son of Garret Wesley, 1st Earl of Mornington and a Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Ireland. In fact, the Grand Lodge of Ireland is the second oldest Freemason lodge in the world.

Another famous obelisk in Ireland is Conolly's Folly in Maynooth, which can be seen from the motorway. It was built commissioned by Katherine Conolly, widow of William Conolly. The folly is adorned with pinecones/pineapples and eagles, both significant symbols in Freemasonry.

Regarding the square found in Limerick, it was recovered from Baal's Bridge during an excavation in 1830. It is believed to be one of the earliest Masonic items in the world. The name of the bridge itself is quite interesting, as Ba'al is the name of a pagan god in Phoenician and Canaanite religions/cults.

http://www.freemasonsnorthmunster.com/Baal's_Bridge_Square.htm

PanchoVilla

gizmo wrote: »

Wasn't the explanation of the board given in this post already?

If you read the first part of Morals and Dogma, "1º - Apprentice", you'll see that PaintDoctor is completely incorrect in his explanation of the tracing board. All, or most of the symbols are explained in the following PDF:

http://fedgeno.com/documents/morals-and-dogma-by-albert-pike.pdf

Johnny Utah

Wow, very interesting topic.

medicman2009 wrote: »

Be careful, everything is not what it seems with them. The symbolism of joining, the oath ceremony etc. The blindfolding of the initiate, does it mean to blindly follow? or does in mean you are being hoodwinked by the controlling powers of freemasonry? The genius of their oaths, ceremonies etc, is the varying interpretation by members. Many good decent Freemasons genuinely believe they are a brotherhood and a force for good, but the true power and meaning is only known to the higher echelons. The 'Grand Architect' is not God - the very opposite. I could go on and on, I also considered joining them in the past and thanks to some close relatives who left them, I was put wise.
So I would strongly advise you to stay clear.

Can you elaborate a bit further, medicman?

Thanks.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

To answer Icemaiden's post, Ireland has a long history of Freemasonry. The Wellington Monument in Phoenix Park, an obelisk representing the lost phallus of Osiris, was of course built to commemorate Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington. Arthur Wellesley was the son of Garret Wesley, 1st Earl of Mornington and a Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Ireland. In fact, the Grand Lodge of Ireland is the second oldest Freemason lodge in the world.

Another famous obelisk in Ireland is Conolly's Folly in Maynooth, which can be seen from the motorway. It was built commissioned by Katherine Conolly, widow of William Conolly. The folly is adorned with pinecones/pineapples and eagles, both significant symbols in Freemasonry.

Regarding the square found in Limerick, it was recovered from Baal's Bridge during an excavation in 1830. It is believed to be one of the earliest Masonic items in the world. The name of the bridge itself is quite interesting, as Ba'al is the name of a pagan god in Phoenician and Canaanite religions/cults.

http://www.freemasonsnorthmunster.com/Baal's_Bridge_Square.htm

Seems to be a lot of masonic symbols around Dublin alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaUpWzZOek

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/28696/Illuminati__amp__Masonic_Symbols_in_Dublin_Ireland_P2/

Torakx

Thas a good video on dublin.thanks for that.
I remember a few days ago looking at those statues with wings on O'Connel street and wondering what symbolism was in them.Now i know at least some of its meaning.
Im sure the pyramids and freemason "clubhouse" is just near to main government buildings by coincedence

Yitzhak Rabin

adamski8 wrote: »

any update on your membership yekahs?

Still waiting to hear back. Apparently, it can take quite a bit of time to establish whether or not I'm a good guy, and then all the members of the lodge need to vote on it. The lodge generally only meets once a month, so it takes a month for each stage to happen. Hopefully I'll get the good or bad news within a month or so.

gizmo

yekahs wrote: »

Still waiting to hear back. Apparently, it can take quite a bit of time to establish whether or not I'm a good guy, and then all the members of the lodge need to vote on it. The lodge generally only meets once a month, so it takes a month for each stage to happen. Hopefully I'll get the good or bad news within a month or so.

So how long does it take to figure out if you're an evil guy bent on world domination? :pac:

Owen

PanchoVilla wrote: »

If you read the first part of Morals and Dogma, "1º - Apprentice", you'll see that PaintDoctor is completely incorrect in his explanation of the tracing board.

No I'm not, but then again, I'm sure you believe everything you link to on anti-Masonic sites is true. As opposed to say, someone like me, who's actually had, and given degrees. You get funnier, and funnier. Not only was your Albert Pike screw up hilarious, but you link David Icke as a source of wisdom.

Anyway, despite you many many mistakes being pointed out to you at length, you still go on linking to anti-masonic sites, still believe everything you read online is true, and still have done *absolutely no research on your own* apart from a bit of googling.

Why don't you join the masons, and see first hand what it's about? You're perfectly entitled to leave after your first meeting if you don't like it. Then, you'd actually have some real knowledge, and some real evidence rather then the made up nonsense you're putting out here. Don't want to join? Fine, that's perfectly normal for some people to, but go to an open day, or have a tour of one of the Lodges and meet real people and ask real questions - but be open to the answers. Your inability to accept that you may be wrong is the entire reason people here are frustrated with you - the only reason you're posting in this thread is to have others agree with you, and if they don't, you go off on a copying/pasting rant which ends up being quite tiresome.

Torakx

To Yekahs
Do you ever wonder what connections they have since you applied?
Maybe they have info from fellow professionals and department heads to gather information.
I would imagine some of the head guys in the army would be masons already ahead of you.Would be stupid of them not to recruit those with influence across all sections of society here.

Yitzhak Rabin

gizmo wrote: »

So how long does it take to figure out if you're an evil guy bent on world domination? :pac:

I would have thought they would have got that from my first meeting when I turned up with a white Persian cat and an eye patch.

Owen

We don't have some sort of intelligence network to investigate anyone. What happens is that the name of the person applying is called out in a meeting, and left with no decision made for the month. Then, if anyone knows anything bad about that person - like they have a criminal record, or if they're a bad person in society, then can be refused membership.

Like I've pointed out before, if you have any sort of wrong doing in your past, you're not allowed join. And if you are an existing member, and break any laws, or do anything to undermine the state you live in, or your workplace, you're out too.