WHICH ONE OF THESE CARS WOULD YOU GET

Biro · 05-11-2009 6:54pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Why I wouldnt buy either personally is they are both faux performance cars, like the Hyundai Coupe.

Matt - that's a surprising comment coming from you. You never like it when someone says the Phaeton is just a faux luxury car, just like the Hyundai Sonata...

Biro · 05-11-2009 6:55pm

Sizzler wrote: »

I know its a subjective issue but personally for that money Id be benchmarking the Honda against this -

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/TT/180-BHP-/200943195615158/advert?channel=CARS

Id take the Audi all day long.

A girly, overpriced, ponsey, poor handling car over a high-rev'ing, pin-sharp, no badge snobbery proper car? Fair enough, whatever floats your boat!

aliesneo · 05-11-2009 7:47pm

mildews wrote: »

Neither!!! You will look like a skanger in both

haha i totally agree... with the neither part..

Flyer1 · 05-11-2009 7:50pm

Biro wrote: »

Yer man couldn't drive then. The 190 Celica would easily have the upper hand on the b16a Civic.

Would have thought so myself but got the pull on him every time on the straight. The civic made 177 on the dyno at westward, always was a quick one for the work done to it.

Evolute · 05-11-2009 7:55pm

Integra all the way. The celica looks like it got into a fight with a wood chipper and lost

Lauder · 05-11-2009 8:28pm

These Integra's are Front Wheel Drive right?? Then what is the point of having a rear spoiler? It it just to look like a goon or are these an addition?

Matt Simis · 05-11-2009 9:10pm

Biro wrote: »

Matt - that's a surprising comment coming from you. You never like it when someone says the Phaeton is just a faux luxury car, just like the Hyundai Sonata...

Yeah, Im a hypocritical jerk that way.

The gulf from Phaeton to "Sonata" of all things is bigger than Celica to Coupe.. by a million miles.
Also, I dont have the Phaeton anymore, Im crusing in a V12 BMW coupe these days.

But I retract my comment, with the Integra in the mix I cant make a case, I think with some stretching one could say the Celica, like the Coupe, looks faster than it is. I guess one could say the Integra has the opposite appeal aesthetically! :pac:
But for Jap performance I personally would be looking at that Scooby, Z Cars and GTRs.

laoishibee · 05-11-2009 9:12pm

Lauder wrote: »

These Integra's are Front Wheel Drive right?? Then what is the point of having a rear spoiler? It it just to look like a goon or are these an addition?

If your cornering fast you still need downforce at the back, these cars can be tail happy even though theyre fwd.

It benefits it to some extent but prob is more of an aesthetic addition!

sleepysniper · 05-11-2009 10:21pm

laoishibee wrote: »

If your cornering fast you still need downforce at the back, these cars can be tail happy even though theyre fwd.

It benefits it to some extent but prob is more of an aesthetic addition!

Wouldn't look right without the spoiler either!

Graham_B18C · 05-11-2009 10:28pm

Lauder wrote: »

These Integra's are Front Wheel Drive right?? Then what is the point of having a rear spoiler? It it just to look like a goon or are these an addition?

I read a thing on a dc2 forum a few weeks back about the differences between the dc2 SIR and Type R, one of them was the spoiler and front splitter.

On an SIR they are just for looks, but on the Type R they were developed in the wind tunnel to give equal downforce and all that.

I can only assume the DC5 is the same. Ant the spoiler on the DC5 looks brill, I've seen em without and it looks awful

Atomic Pineapple · 05-11-2009 11:22pm

As Grahamho says wind runnel as well as track testing has proven the benefits of a rear spoiler, they look well too.

You'd only look like a "goon" if you were driving say a 1.4 corolla or something with a pointless spoiler.

Do some people on here think motoring is about being as boring as possible and drive 90bhp cars from a to b or something? Seems to be a negative side affect of boards.ie's popularity

Graham_B18C · 06-11-2009 1:02am

draffodx wrote: »

Do some people on here think motoring is about being as boring as possible and drive 90bhp cars from a to b or something? Seems to be a negative side affect of boards.ie's popularity

Indeed it does man. I cant understand people slating these drivers, in a motors forum! I thought this section was for car lovers!

B11gt00e · 06-11-2009 3:07am

Matt Simis wrote: »

Yeah, Im a hypocritical jerk that way.
The gulf from Phaeton to "Sonata" of all things is bigger than Celica to Coupe.. by a million miles.
Also, I dont have the Phaeton anymore, Im crusing in a V12 BMW coupe these days.

But I retract my comment, with the Integra in the mix I cant make a case, I think with some stretching one could say the Celica, like the Coupe, looks faster than it is. I guess one could say the Integra has the opposite appeal aesthetically! :pac:
But for Jap performance I personally would be looking at that Scooby, Z Cars and GTRs.

did you pick up a good 850ci recently or a new money 6 of sorts?

JHMEG · 06-11-2009 9:38am

Matt Simis wrote: »

But I retract my comment, with the Integra in the mix I cant make a case,

EVO magazine described the Integra-R (albeit DC2) as the best handling FWD car ever made that also manages to outdo some RWD icons. That's a pretty good recommendation I'd say.

Matt Simis · 06-11-2009 9:43am

B11gt00e wrote: »

did you pick up a good 850ci recently or a new money 6 of sorts?

5.6l 850CSi,

, there was no V12 6 series.

JHMEG wrote: »

EVO magazine described the Integra-R (albeit DC2) as the best handling FWD car ever made that also manages to outdo some RWD icons. That's a pretty good recommendation I'd say.

I said I take it back! :P
I looked at its results on Fastestlaps.com, and wow, its definitely a fast fast car and it did indeed thrash some RWD star cars on tracks. Which makes the choice of it and the Celica (which is ok, but way outclassed here) even more lob sided.

Mr Benevolent · 06-11-2009 9:58am

Matt Simis wrote: »

5.6l 850CSi,

Good god. What's it like to drive and maintain?

Sizzler · 06-11-2009 10:19am

Biro wrote: »

A girly, overpriced, ponsey, poor handling car over a high-rev'ing, pin-sharp, no badge snobbery proper car? Fair enough, whatever floats your boat!

*sighs*

I was using the TT as an example. A top marque and arguably ground breaking design for a sports car of its generation and you are trying to tell me 9k for a jap import is better value :eek: I'm not saying the Honda is a bad car Im just trying to highlight the price is ridiculous when there is better value to be had for that sort of money. It may well be the "market rate" for the model but theres better to be had for that sort of cash.

JHMEG · 06-11-2009 10:22am

Matt Simis wrote: »

I looked at its results on Fastestlaps.com, and wow, its definitely a fast fast car and it did indeed thrash some RWD star cars on tracks.

It's not about speed tho, it's about handling and about feedback to the driver. The DC2 is famous for both. I can't comment on the DC5 but have seen it described in one auto mag as standing head and shoulders above the DC2 (tho I'm sure many will disagree).

The makers went so far in tuning the DC2-R that not only are some body panels thinner than the standard car, but some are thicker where rigidity was required. Also a little known fact is the car is perfectly balanced side-to-side when it has an ~85kg driver and no passenger.

SV · 06-11-2009 11:30am

Sizzler wrote: »

*sighs*

I was using the TT as an example. A top marque and arguably ground breaking design for a sports car of its generation and you are trying to tell me 9k for a jap import is better value :eek: I'm not saying the Honda is a bad car Im just trying to highlight the price is ridiculous when there is better value to be had for that sort of money. It may well be the "market rate" for the model but theres better to be had for that sort of cash.

that might be your point but the TT simply isn't a better car.
never has and never will be.

Sizzler · 06-11-2009 3:14pm

SV wrote: »

that might be your point but the TT simply isn't a better car.
never has and never will be.

The TT was for illustration purposes only my good man

The TT cost some poor bugger night on 50K at one stage, the Honda was probably no more than 25k in Japan new and some lad is trying to cream some poor recession beaten buyer for close to 10k:eek:

We could argue all day about the Honda being better than [INSERT RANDOM CAR HERE] but we'll move on

Atomic Pineapple · 06-11-2009 3:27pm

Just because someone paid €50k for a TT and then it suffered massive depreciation doesn't make it a better car or a better buy for someone.

Same with any other car just because its come down in price more so than another car doesn't make it a better buy, in fact it could mean the opposite, the depreciation may be due to the car not being any good

Matt Simis · 06-11-2009 3:56pm

Confab wrote: »

Good god. What's it like to drive and maintain?

Fantastic to drive (4 wheel steering and near 50/50 weight distribution). Spent EUR3k on parts within the first 4wks. Still have a few bits to do, largely the fault of previous owner/garage(s) that were selling it.

JHMEG wrote: »

It's not about speed tho, it's about handling and about feedback to the driver. The DC2 is famous for both. I can't comment on the DC5 but have seen it described in one auto mag as standing head and shoulders above the DC2 (tho I'm sure many will disagree).
The makers went so far in tuning the DC2-R that not only are some body panels thinner than the standard car, but some are thicker where rigidity was required. Also a little known fact is the car is perfectly balanced side-to-side when it has an ~85kg driver and no passenger.

I think Ill go see if there is one in Forza3 to play with later!

Atomic Pineapple · 06-11-2009 4:16pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

I think Ill go see if there is one in Forza3 to play with later!

There is, the Jap spec Dc2 is there anyway, not sure about the Dc5

Sizzler · 06-11-2009 4:22pm

draffodx wrote: »

Just because someone paid €50k for a TT and then it suffered massive depreciation doesn't make it a better car or a better buy for someone.

Same with any other car just because its come down in price more so than another car doesn't make it a better buy, in fact it could mean the opposite, the depreciation may be due to the car not being any good

Indeed!

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/318Ci-M-/200940195393675/advert?channel=CARS

I bet you still pick the Honda

Atomic Pineapple · 06-11-2009 4:25pm

Sizzler wrote: »

Indeed!

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/318Ci-M-/200940195393675/advert?channel=CARS

I bet you still pick the Honda

Probably, if I was buying a BMW it would have to be an M3 or M5

Graham_B18C · 06-11-2009 5:08pm

Sizzler wrote: »

Indeed!

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/318Ci-M-/200940195393675/advert?channel=CARS

I bet you still pick the Honda

Are you trying to say that it's a better car?

There's a 2L BMW in my house and it aint as good as the Integra as a drivers car. Have you ever even driven one?

But the TT, I do like them a lot, but I wouldn't so for one unless it was the 225 bhp one!

Sizzler · 06-11-2009 5:18pm

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Are you trying to say that it's a better car?

There's a 2L BMW in my house and it aint as good as the Integra as a drivers car. Have you ever even driven one?

But the TT, I do like them a lot, but I wouldn't so for one unless it was the 225 bhp one!

Have driven the beamer alright but not the honda, dont doubt its a decent car. Nevermind the bhp bollox, we live in Ireland remember

Gumbo · 06-11-2009 5:53pm

Sizzler wrote: »

Have driven the beamer alright but not the honda, dont doubt its a decent car. Nevermind the bhp bollox, we live in Ireland remember

then you might aswell buy a 1.1 fiesta if thats your argument!
the 318Ci is a comfy cruiser with 136 bhp, the DC5 is a performance car with 220bhp, LSD etc etc why are the 2 cars even for one minute being compared?

you talk about value for money........if i wanted a comfy cruiser i'd buy a BMW, if i wanted a performance car i'd buy the Honda, smple as.

Sizzler · 06-11-2009 6:37pm

kceire wrote: »

then you might aswell buy a 1.1 fiesta if thats your argument!
the 318Ci is a comfy cruiser with 136 bhp, the DC5 is a performance car with 220bhp, LSD etc etc why are the 2 cars even for one minute being compared?

you talk about value for money........if i wanted a comfy cruiser i'd buy a BMW, if i wanted a performance car i'd buy the Honda, smple as.

I think it all stemmed from me saying the Honda was not worth the cash, whoops

Gumbo · 06-11-2009 6:46pm

Sizzler wrote: »

I think it all stemmed from me saying the Honda was not worth the cash, whoops

nothing to do with money here, but if you try to compare cars, then try pick suitable cars to compare

we all dont want eco, green, diesel mondeos.......:D

WHICH ONE OF THESE CARS WOULD YOU GET

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