RTÉ/TG4 win Magners League rights

icdg

RTÉ and TG4 have won a joint bid for the rights to the Magners League from next season onwards, according to today's Sunday Business Post (page 2). They'll each show one live game each week.

A big coup for RTÉ although there is of course the danger that they will simply show Leinster and Munster games and that Connacht and Ulster fans won't get a look in, never mind the rest of the league. Satellite viewers have BBC Wales, S4C, and STV to view other games but those of us with cable/MMDS don't. Suppose the devil will be in the detail of what Celtic Rugby insist the two stations show - although Leinster and Munster are of course the big draw in terms of ratings. Hopefully there will at least be highlights of other games and hopefully RTÉ will have Hook and Pope on most weeks! The other drawback is of course having to put up with Irish commentary on TG4. At least S4C make English commentary available via the red button but to do that here would probably be classed as 'anti-Irish langauge'.

Still it will mean an end to Setanta's insitance on putting the big games on the increasingly-bad value channel that is Setanta Sports 1. And the other big fallout is, where does Setanta go from here. They are basically left with 3pm Premier League kickoffs (until the end of the season) and Formula 1 (which most people interested in the sport will watch on BBC anyway, their coverage is far superior). The game is, IMO, up for Setanta Ireland now and a merger with Sky or ESPN would seem to be their only option.

Mossy Monk

Great news for rugby supporters. I am delighted.

channelsurfer

good news for the rugby fans free to air...... setanta must be in shock over loosing it... i cant read the article on the post website as it dosent say who won it!!!! see link below

http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/new-broadcast-homes-for-magners-league-45091.html


Ps any word on the premier league contract rights or is it out to tender yet.... there was talk of september for the irish rights but no word yet???

Apogee

icdg wrote: »

The other drawback is of course having to put up with Irish commentary on TG4. At least S4C make English commentary available via the red button but to do that here would probably be classed as 'anti-Irish langauge'.

They don't provide an alternate Irish commentary during the GAA championship on RTÉ during the summer either. By your logic, is that because they would be classed as 'anti-English langauge (sic)' or even 'anti-Ger Canning'?

Brian CivilEng

Can't say that this is good news, Setanta had plenty of air time to broadcast the Magners League. Pretty much every Leinster and Munster game is shown live and repeated ad infinitum over the next week. Can't see RTÉ or TG4 doing that.

Mossy Monk

abitofacomedian wrote: »

Can't say that this is good news, Setanta had plenty of air time to broadcast the Magners League.

Which could be viewed at €16 a month

Brian CivilEng

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Which could be viewed at €16 a month

What's better, paying to watch or not getting it at all?

fifth

This could be potentially brilliant for Irish rugby, if only we had more detail.

channelsurfer

probably will be announced tommorrow if its true by celtic rugby now the cats out of the bag..... and if eoin ryan makes heineken cup games available as has been rumoured it could be better

ynotdu

I agree with ICDG that this HAS to be the final nail in the coffin for Setanta Ireland and 1.i am amazed that Setanta have kept any customers on UPC were Setanta Ireland comes as part of the 'basic' package.
not only have Setanta being charging too much they have also being treating customers with contempt.

I have to wonder was the guy{forget his name}who now holds a 60% in the Irish arm of Setanta crazy or has he got a buisness plan when even the 33 saturday games are again up for grabs?

I am curious who's money is behind the MSK channels promising only gailige sports on ch 433&437 on the Sky digital platform?
IMO it might be a placeholder for a Setanta return of types in the UK{but proably only available for pubs?}

Dont know about a merger though,at present who would want or need Setanta?

it seems to me that only a single Setanta can survive on UPC as part of the Dig-Max package.
On Satellite I do not see it having a future at all in NI,and just may'be enough for ex-pats in the UK if it became part of the news and events pack.
but then again there is time for strange things to happen yet!:)

Mossy Monk

abitofacomedian wrote: »

What's better, paying to watch or not getting it at all?

Watching it on RTÉ and TG4 is better I think

Brian CivilEng

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Watching it on RTÉ and TG4 is better I think

Well I take it that you are just a casual fan then. I would prefer to sit down on Friday and watch a live game, and an as live game. Then a couple of games on Saturday afternoon and maybe the same on Sunday. I also enjoy the repeats during the week of games I have attended. Now if RTÉ put the games on the RTÉ Player then that sorts out the repeats, but I doubt that they will be showing too many games like Connacht v Dragons.

Mossy Monk

abitofacomedian wrote: »

Well I take it that you are just a casual fan then. I would prefer to sit down on Friday and watch a live game, and an as live game. Then a couple of games on Saturday afternoon and maybe the same on Sunday. I also enjoy the repeats during the week of games I have attended. Now if RTÉ put the games on the RTÉ Player then that sorts out the repeats, but I doubt that they will be showing too many games like Connacht v Dragons.

Yep, that's right. I am not a real rugby supporter because I would prefer to have it on free television :rolleyes:

I have a box under my television that allows me to record games from a variety of channels and that means I can watch them whenever I like even games I am not able to be at my television for. Games like Connaught v Dragons I am sure will be shown by BBC Wales and S4C. Granted cable viewers don't have those but then they don't pay for Setanta either. In that respect I can understand why they might be a bit annoyed by Setanta losing the rights.

channelsurfer

probably means rte/tg4 wont bid for the 3pm premiership soccer matches and will be happy with live magners league or is it the start of a new joint bidding strategy?.... setanta will have to at least get the 2 packages that espn currently have along with the 3pm matches to make it viable again and make people want to subscribe...

Mossy Monk

channelsurfer wrote: »

probably means rte/tg4 wont bid for the 3pm premiership soccer matches and will be happy with live magners league or is it the start of a new joint bidding strategy?.... setanta will have to at least get the 2 packages that espn currently have along with the 3pm matches to make it viable again and make people want to subscribe...

Can they afford to compete with ESPN? They can only do so by bidding outrageously and we all saw what happened the last time they did that. Setanta should go like Eurosport. It works well for them to be a basic channel.

Brian CivilEng

Mossy Monk wrote: »

In that respect I can understand why they might be a bit annoyed by Setanta losing the rights.

Caught me, cable viewer here.

I wonder is there any chance of Setanta getting secondary rights? Sort of like the way they used to show repeats of GAA games that RTÉ had already shown, or maybe showing games that RTÉ or TG4 don't want.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

The other drawback is of course having to put up with Irish commentary on TG4. At least S4C make English commentary available via the red button but to do that here would probably be classed as 'anti-Irish langauge'.

This is the first time RTÉ have taken a interest in these games and lets face many were annoyed (even with the Irish Language commentary) that Setanta took over the rights to those games. TG4 and S4C should just commentate in their respective languages after all that is what they are there to do but to promote their languages, TG4/S4C can't be narrow minded and only broadcast to those only interested in their respective languages. Anyway enough with the TG4 bashing.

On another note Setanta must now be up **** creek. I don't see how they are attractive for a Pay TV option.

And what about Scottish viewers?

Elmo

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Can they afford to compete with ESPN? They can only do so by bidding outrageously and we all saw what happened the last time they did that. Setanta should go like Eurosport. It works well for them to be a basic channel.

Is Eurosport not part owned by Sky?

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

Is Eurosport not part owned by Sky?

No. TF1 own them I think.

byte

Yeah, looking at Wikipedia (I know, I know), it would seem that Eurosport launched as a joint venture between EBU and Sky.

Then it was merged with Screensport in the early nineties, owned jointly by TF1, Canal+ and Havas Images.

Now, it's wholly owned by TF1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurosport

That said, I did think that Eurosport UK was a joint venture with somebody, but seems not.

celticfc

Great News!

Elmo wrote: »

And what about Scottish viewers?

From: http://www.theairwaves.net/index.php/tvindustrynews/3959-rte-a-tg4-seal-new-rugby-deal

Setanta currently hold these rights in Ireland, with BBC Wales and S4C showing live matches in Wales and STV having highlights and selected live coverage in Scotland of Glasgow vs Edinburgh. The BBC also show BBC Wales's coverage via their interactive service throughout the UK.

Mossy Monk

byte wrote: »

That said, I did think that Eurosport UK was a joint venture with somebody, but seems not.

I think NTL had some sort of a stake in them at one point.

icdg

Elmo wrote: »

This is the first time RTÉ have taken a interest in these games and lets face many were annoyed (even with the Irish Language commentary) that Setanta took over the rights to those games. TG4 and S4C should just commentate in their respective languages after all that is what they are there to do but to promote their languages, TG4/S4C can't be narrow minded and only broadcast to those only interested in their respective languages. Anyway enough with the TG4 bashing.

On another note Setanta must now be up **** creek. I don't see how they are attractive for a Pay TV option.

And what about Scottish viewers?

Scottish viewers are in an even worse position than we will be. They only have highlights on STV and the only (a whole two a year!) games they'll cover live will be the Edinburgh-Glasgow derbies.

Digifriendly

icdg wrote: »

Scottish viewers are in an even worse position than we will be. They only have highlights on STV and the only (a whole two a year!) games they'll cover live will be the Edinburgh-Glasgow derbies.

Yes that's as it stands at present but could this not change from next season? Games in Scotland Setanta have shown live this season e.g. Glasgow vs Munster/Edinburgh vs Leinster, might they not be live on STV next season as Setanta as far as we know will no longer be showing any live ML games?

Elmo

Digifriendly wrote: »

Yes that's as it stands at presnt but could this not change from next season? Games in Scotland Setanta have shown live this season e.g. Glasgow vs Munster/Edinburgh vs Leinster, might they not be live on STV next season as Setanta as far as we know will no longer be showing any live ML games?

If RTÉ or TG4 are host broadcaster they should be able to provide STV or BBC Scotland with a live feed.

keith99

Elmo wrote: »

If RTÉ or TG4 are host broadcaster they should be able to provide STV or BBC Scotland with a live feed.

From: Info <Info@rte.ie>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:50:35 +0100
Subject: RE: 2010 magners rugby tv rights
To:

Dear Keith

The update from RTÉ is that we expect the Magners League to make an announcement in the coming week or so. As the process is ongoing, we are not in a position to make any comment in the meantime.

Thank you for your query.

Kind Regards



RTÉ Information-Communications

channelsurfer

keith99 wrote: »

From: Info <Info@rte.ie>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:50:35 +0100
Subject: RE: 2010 magners rugby tv rights
To:

Dear Keith

The update from RTÉ is that we expect the Magners League to make an announcement in the coming week or so. As the process is ongoing, we are not in a position to make any comment in the meantime.

Thank you for your query.

Kind Regards



RTÉ Information-Communications

interesting.... wonder how the sunday bus post got hold of the story then? did RTE leak it or someone from Magners league in the hope that setanta would increase their bid?

channelsurfer

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/rte-plays-hardball-in-rights-war-1930465.html

more today in the indo.... a very anti rte article and more of a whinge that you would think tv3 would write..... why shouldnt they use some of my 160euro a year to provide me with magners league...

keith99

channelsurfer wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/rte-plays-hardball-in-rights-war-1930465.html

more today in the indo.... a very anti rte article and more of a whinge that you would think tv3 would write..... why shouldnt they use some of my 160euro a year to provide me with magners league...

another terrible move by tv3, what next bertie ahern presenting their champions league coverage and their rugby world cup coverage


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Mossy Monk

That article reads like everyone has Setanta. It is a load of nonsense and I am happy that RTÉ and TG4 have the rights.

RTÉ have bought the rights to the Magners League so they can get the World Cup says the journalist. I didn't think the Independent were ones for conspiracy theories.

Elmo

Operating costs at RTE 2 are not 120 they are 90.

TV3 have only begun to look at sports not soccer related in recent years which is a good thing but I some how cann't see them wanting Magner's League indeed if Setanta had gone for a deal with TV3 it would have been very risky with Setanta. Magner's League is a minority league that was first put on TG4 when on other channel was interested.

icdg

Mossy Monk wrote: »

That article reads like everyone has Setanta. It is a load of nonsense and I am happy that RTÉ and TG4 have the rights.

RTÉ have bought the rights to the Magners League so they can get the World Cup says the journalist. I didn't think the Independent were ones for conspiracy theories.

Perhaps not as far fetched, since losing the Magners' League is essentially game over for Setanta. November will illustrate this fully, there is an international window at the same time for both rugby and football during the month and the Formula One season is over. There will be very little live sport for Setanta to show during this period (although they are covering some Italy rugby home games, which is literally scrapping the bottom of the barrell...)

This basically shows how unlikely Setanta are to survive as a pay-TV proposition next season. Even if they retain what little football they have left, and the F1 rights, I cannot see what else they have for most of the year to keep the channel viable, unless they pick up some foreign football rights cheapily (does anyone have French league rights at the moment? Some of the South American or African leagues perhaps?) Even that might not be enough to drum up some interest.

Elmo

We don't know what the Business plan for Setanta Sports Ireland is. They could easily go for European, African, American, Asian and Australian Sports rather than the usual Irish and British sports. If they do this they may be looking at cheaper rights for such games due to the lack of poplarity for such sports in this country. This could bring Setanta right back to their begins providing Ex-pats with their sporting events in Ireland, which seems to be their propersition around the world.

Remember Setanta aren't just Setanta Ireland and Setanta Sports 1, they are an international brand.

http://www.setanta.com/ca/
http://www.setanta.com/africa/
http://www.setanta.com/au/
http://www.setanta.com/us/

The lose of key games for the survival of Setanta Sports may not be all that important to them if they can provide niche sports to other nationalities living in Ireland, remember pay TV is mainly interested in subscriptions not advertising.

keith99

Elmo wrote: »

We don't know what the Business plan for Setanta Sports Ireland is. They could easily go for European, African, American, Asian and Australian Sports rather than the usual Irish and British sports. If they do this they may be looking at cheaper rights for such games due to the lack of poplarity for such sports in this country. This could bring Setanta right back to their begins providing Ex-pats with their sporting events in Ireland, which seems to be their propersition around the world.

Remember Setanta aren't just Setanta Ireland and Setanta Sports 1, they are an international brand.

http://www.setanta.com/ca/
http://www.setanta.com/africa/
http://www.setanta.com/au/
http://www.setanta.com/us/

The lose of key games for the survival of Setanta Sports may not be all that important to them if they can provide niche sports to other nationalities living in Ireland, remember pay TV is mainly interested in subscriptions not advertising.

more fta rugby not on setanta

FRIDAY 13 NOVEMBER

AUTUMN RUGBY INTERNATIONALS, RTÉ Two, 7.30pm
Tom McGurk will be joined by George Hook and Brent Pope for the second of this month's eight Autumn Rugby Internationals on RTÉ Television as France take on Tri-Nations champions South Africa. The match kicks off at 7.45pm from Toulouse with commentary by Ryle Nugent and Frankie Sheehan.

keith99

keith99 wrote: »

more fta rugby not on setanta

FRIDAY 13 NOVEMBER

AUTUMN RUGBY INTERNATIONALS, RTÉ Two, 7.30pm
Tom McGurk will be joined by George Hook and Brent Pope for the second of this month's eight Autumn Rugby Internationals on RTÉ Television as France take on Tri-Nations champions South Africa. The match kicks off at 7.45pm from Toulouse with commentary by Ryle Nugent and Frankie Sheehan.

List of fixtures to be broadcast on RTÉ Two television and RTÉ.ie (Island of Ireland)

Wales v New Zealand:
Saturday, 7 November - 5.00pm

Frances v South Africa:
Friday, 13 November - 7.30pm

Scotland v Fiji:
Saturday 14 November - 2.10pm

Ireland v Australia:
Sunday, 15 November- 2.30pm

Wales v Argentina:
Ireland v Fiji:
Saturday, 21 November - 2.00pm

Ireland v South Africa:
Saturday, 28 November - 2.00pm

France v New Zealand:
Saturday 28 November - 7.15pm

Mossy Monk

That's interesting but this thread is about the Magners League.

Liam Byrne

abitofacomedian wrote: »

What's better, paying to watch or not getting it at all?

I don't get the question ? It'll be on either RTE or TG4, so everyone can get it; and it's a step towards making the TV licence worthwhile again.

It's far too easy for Setanta and Sky to outbid, based on the fact that people have to pay extra......and while I'm against monopolies, having to pay both Sky and Setanta if you wanted to see a good few matches was crazy!

It's great news, IMHO.....

Liam Byrne

channelsurfer wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/rte-plays-hardball-in-rights-war-1930465.html

more today in the indo.... a very anti rte article and more of a whinge that you would think tv3 would write..... why shouldnt they use some of my 160euro a year to provide me with magners league...

Bull**** article!

RTE will be using its state-subsidised muscle to buy something it does not need and cannot cover properly, at a rate that a commercial broadcaster cannot match, with money that it does not have, so that it can extract a deal that prevents another commercial broadcaster from competing for valuable sports rights

Setanta only got it in the first place by outbidding RTE based on their hope for extra subscriptions, ffs! :rolleyes:

Elmo

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I don't get the question ? It'll be on either RTE or TG4, so everyone can get it; and it's a step towards making the TV licence worthwhile again.

Was the Celtic league ever on RTÉ.

Setanta only got it in the first place by outbidding RTE based on their hope for extra subscriptions, ffs!

You will note that most in the Press are in love with TV3 and Setanta, often forgetting what they aren't doing and using allot of stats and figures provided by them to make RTÉ look bad. This has been the case for the last 2 months.

Also Setanta outbid TG4 not RTÉ.

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

Was the Celtic league ever on RTÉ.

No. Only TG4.

icdg

keith99 wrote: »

more fta rugby not on setanta

FRIDAY 13 NOVEMBER

AUTUMN RUGBY INTERNATIONALS, RTÉ Two, 7.30pm
Tom McGurk will be joined by George Hook and Brent Pope for the second of this month's eight Autumn Rugby Internationals on RTÉ Television as France take on Tri-Nations champions South Africa. The match kicks off at 7.45pm from Toulouse with commentary by Ryle Nugent and Frankie Sheehan.

Can't see the relevance of this to the thread, to be honest - can we concentrate on the Magners League, please...

Koloman

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Bull**** article!

No, that article was right! RTE is trying to close the competition down and using the license fee to do it. It is simply uncompetitive.

Mossy Monk

Koloman wrote: »

No, that article was right! RTE is trying to close the competition down and using the license fee to do it. It is simply uncompetitive.

Rubbish. Going by this theory RTÉ can never ever purchase any sporting rights previously held by another broadcaster.

They must believe that they can make a profit out of this. They aren't what you would call flush with cash atm so I seriously doubt that they are paying over the odds so they can shut Setanta Sports down.

Elmo

The article suggested that TV3 bid for these rights, I can't imagine TV3 being in a position to want these rights. TV3 IMO from their point of view have enough sporting rights. However I would question why RTÉ are interested in the rights. IMO if the rights holders wanted 2 channels for content they should have gone with Setanta and TG4 the only people who have ever really been interested in the League.

Anyway I have only heard speculation so far that either RTÉ or TV3 approached the rights holders.

Koloman

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Rubbish. Going by this theory RTÉ can never ever purchase any sporting rights previously held by another broadcaster.

They must believe that they can make a profit out of this. They aren't what you would call flush with cash atm so I seriously doubt that they are paying over the odds so they can shut Setanta Sports down.

Why should RTE waste money on these rights if TV3 or Setanta are willing to do it without using public money?

Elmo

Koloman wrote: »

Why should RTE waste money on these rights if TV3 or Setanta are willing to do it without using public money?

It is hearsay that TV3 even thought about these rights. It is hearsay that RTÉ has these rights, I amn't aware so far of any confirmation that this is the case.

Setanta would be using public money since anyone watching Setanta pays for that privilege.

Also The Celtic/Magners League is a very much minority league/sport, why do you think TG4 had the rights for so many years?

Mossy Monk

RTÉ are in the business of making money. They bought these rights with the intention of making more money from advertising than what they paid for them. Why would they back away to leave somebody else have them?

Why do they buy rights to GAA and Irish soccer matches when TV3 and Setanta can do them? Why bother with anything at all?

Koloman

Elmo wrote: »

Setanta would be using public money since anyone watching Setanta pays for that privilege.

At least people have a choice with Setanta on whether to subscribe or not. The licence fee is mandatory to anyone with a TV. I for one resent that fact.

Elmo

Koloman wrote: »

At least people have a choice with Setanta on whether to subscribe or not. The licence fee is mandatory to anyone with a TV. I for one resent that fact.

People have a choice to sub to UPC after that they have no choice Setanta Ireland remains a Pay TV service with part of your sub going to Setanta. We could go around splitting hairs it isn't like Setanta are the best of example of good business management in the last number of months. Something that has nothing to do with the Licence fee.

An Tarbh

Koloman wrote: »

Why should RTE waste money on these rights if TV3 or Setanta are willing to do it without using public money?

If that's the case there should be no sport on RTÉ so long as one of the commercial broadcasters is willing to bid for them. That makes no sense whatsoever, if there's revenue to be made from any sporting rights then RTÉ are perfectly entitled to bid for them so long as they don't go way over the odds.

Mossy Monk

Koloman wrote: »

At least people have a choice with Setanta on whether to subscribe or not. The licence fee is mandatory to anyone with a TV. I for one resent that fact.

I am assuming that you do not like rugby.