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Rotterdam Marathon 2010
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Moycullen1 wrote: »If there was a nice coffee shop at or in the vicinity of the expo it might be a nice way to pass a couple of hours on Saturday afternoon if people fancied meeting up for a while during the day.
Lets hope you dont get called after the race by Anti-Doping Officials or you'd be fecked
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Lets hope you dont get called after the race by Anti-Doping Officials or you'd be fecked
Good point. Don't anyone be asking for directions to a coffee shop before the race, afterwards is another matter, but before hand I think it's a cafe that you'd be looking for. Not certain though as never had call for one of them.
Maybe just ask for a Starbucks to be safe as if its the generic term.0 -
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Most of them are in Amsterdam, but there will be a very small number in other places as well. I have heard rumors that some places don't have any, but I've had no reason to venture outside of Amsterdam before myself so am not sure.
I do expect to be returning in a very similar state as my previous times to the Netherlands, but due to very, very different reasons. 0 -
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Most of them are in Amsterdam, but there will be a very small number in other places as well. I have heard rumors that some places don't have any, but I've had no reason to venture outside of Amsterdam before myself so am not sure.
I do expect to be returning in a very similar state as my previous times to the Netherlands, but due to very, very different reasons.
I'd gladly run 3 marathon one after the other in the one day than have one of those space cakes again! Absolutely lethal stuff!
I shant be joining you guys in the "coffee shops" if you decide to go there!0 -
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I think you could register until 7 on the Saturday but don't quote me.
For the record 040... don't worry about that. I was just curious to know if its like Amdam.
There is a good band called 'Band of Horses' playing in Rotterdam on the Saturday night. If anyone can understand Dutch that is
....the link to buy tickets on their website is dutch.
Are people doing their long runs on flat roads or mixing it up? Any thoughts on that?0 -
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misty floyd wrote: »I think you could register until 7 on the Saturday but don't quote me.
For the record 040... don't worry about that. I was just curious to know if its like Amdam.
There is a good band called 'Band of Horses' playing in Rotterdam on the Saturday night. If anyone can understand Dutch that is....the link to buy tickets on their website is dutch.
Are people doing their long runs on flat roads or mixing it up? Any thoughts on that?
Sorry to nip in here. Doing Paris the same weekend which is flat also.
Doing all long runs now on flat to simulate the race. Want to get the muscles etc used to and strenghtened against the constant repetition before race day.0 -
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I reckon you should aspire to run a negative split, even if it doesn't actually happen on the day. Planning to slow down due to tiredness over the last few miles is one sure fire way of making sure that it happens!KentuckyPete wrote: »Agreed but according to Pfitzinger very few people can run negative splits like that. Uncle Pete reckons this applies at all levels of ability - he says even Gebrsellassie had a positive split for his world record. I reckon I'd have to budget for a crap mile or two at the end. I'm putting a lot of faith in that book for a number of aspects to the training / preparation / tactics so I should probably stay consistent. In my one and only marathon to date I had a fairly hefty +15 (yikes) split at DCM '09
I've followed that program twice (12 week/55 mile), with great results (and negative splits on both occasions). Good luck.0 -
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Krusty_Clown wrote: »I reckon you should aspire to run a negative split, even if it doesn't actually happen on the day. Planning to slow down due to tiredness over the last few miles is one sure fire way of making sure that it happens!
I've followed that program twice (12 week/55 mile), with great results (and negative splits on both occasions). Good luck.
Cheers Krusty - agree on the ambition - just need to deal with the oul' pessimistic side
Well done on Barcelona - a model set of splits to back up your argument too. Inspration to all us Rotterdamers for sure0 -
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No problems, she's since read through the thread and mailed me a few other bits of information. I've asked here to come on here herself in case anyone has questions, but she doesn't seem that interested. Here's the latest anyway
I see the question on coffee ships in Rotterdam as well
There are plenty in Rotterdam, though not at tourist friendly as Amsterdam, most are dark and dingy, there is one with windows so it less dingy which is behind the Napoli Restaurant I mentioned, can't remember what it is called.I think they have answered their own questions on the coffee shop..
For the person who wants
Tickets for Band of Horses
Seems you have to buy a ticket on line then exchange it for a wrist band in Schouwburgplein, the band are playing in a festival which is happening over the weekend. The photo is a picture of the queue of people who were getting their wrist bands last year. The venue for the music is Watt, this is a good music venue http://www.watt-rotterdam.nl but seems the festival is on there the Friday and Saturday night before the marathon so you have to get festival tickets..
Seems the festival includes things like a tour of Rotterdam if people are looking for something to do over the weekend.. http://www.motelmozaique.nl/english/
The part in Dutch about the tickets on the link.
At the festival you have to exchange your tickets for a wristband which gives you entrance to all festivalvenues. But please remember: We are a festival and not all visitors fit in just one venue, so if you definitely don’t wanna miss out on a specific show make sure to be there on time! Swapping your ticket for a wristband can/must be done at the Schouwburgplein (right in front festivallocation the Rotterdamse Schouwburg), on Friday from 17.00h till 00.00h for Fridaytickets, 2-daytickets and sleepingtickets for Friday. On Saturday from 17.00h till 00.00h for Saturdaytickets and sleepingtickets for Saturday.0 -
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Extract from website:
Pacers
The Runner's World Pacing Team will be active again during the 30th edition of the Fortis Marathon Rotterdam. These experienced runners will help you to achieve the finish time you are aiming for. They set the pace and give you advice during the race. They are clearly recognizable and are classified based upon aspired finish times. Click here for more information and registration.
The link doesn't give much info but it would appear that there are pacers from 3:15 to 4:30 inc at 15 minute intervals
Update: the above info is from the English website whereas the info below is from the translated Dutch version:
Pacing Team
In cooperation with the Fortis Rotterdam Marathon, the Runner's World Pacing Team for this years runners to be present at their desired time dream hares.
What is Runner's World Pacing Team?
Participants in the Runner's World Team Pacing walk behind pacers (organizers) to. The pacers are experienced and ultra-marathon runners who are able to schedule a walk as flat as possible. To you through the difficult moments dragging, they have occasionally fall back into the group for your courage to speak. They are not only capable of a tight and steady pace to run, but you can also move with tips and advice invaluable.
The participants are divided in groups planned target times. Each group to run the marathon along two pacers. They are clearly identifiable by a uniform and a balloon. The color of the balloon shows what time they run. This time is also printed on the balloon. Your participation in the Runner's World Pacing Team are - beyond the usual fees for the event itself - no extra cost.
The target times in the marathon are:
3.15, 3.30, 3.45, 4.00, 4.15 and 4.30 hours0 -
Moycullen1 wrote: »Pug, Although I wouldn't consider myself particularly experienced and I have no coaching experience I have done over three thousand miles over the last four years between 8 and 9 minute/mile pace so we might be quite similar in terms of form.
Firstly have you done any short distance races over the last couple of months as they are a great way of gauging form assuming that you have the long runs done for stamina. Do you do much speed work such as 4 by 1 mile sessions etc. What is your marathon PB by the way.
For my second best marathon(3:44) which happened to be my second marathon I did one 20 two 17 and two 15 mile LSR's. My pace for the 20 was over 9:20 but I remember being able to run 6 or 7 mile runs at 7:45 with a good push.
I have a theory that for the 3:45 to 4hr marathon range you need to be able to do 6 or 7 mile runs at about 40 or 45 seconds faster than you goal pace at a steady/purposeful pace but not at a 10k race pace. Although in saying that if you look at the mcmillan running calculator for a 3:45 Marathon (8:30 m/m based on 26.5miles) the 10k pace is 7:42 pace and the 10mile pace is 8:02. From what you said it doesn't sound like you are a million miles away from this level but as I said take what I say with a pinch of salt as even though I have eight marathons done I would still consider myself a complete novice in comparison to some of the members on boards.
Even though I wouldn't like you to jeopardise your run in Rotterdam I wonder if you should work out a 3:50 pace schedule to see what you think. On the day you will know after a couple of miles whether it feels right or not. If you adopt the three thirds approach hopefully you wont go far wrong, ie you should feel like you are holding yourself back for the first third, then running at a steady but comfortable pace for the second third and so being able to take the strain of the final third without a significant drop in pace. By the way just to explain this strategy it doesn't mean you run three different paces but rather you try and pick a pace that you can more or less maintain throughout.
Thanks for the reply Moycullen. No I haven't done any races since before Christmas I've been concentrating on training for this marathon. I do zero speed work, I think I'm pretty poor at training in general tbh. I put in the miles all right, but other than the lsr I generally just keep trotting along at the same pace which is a little bit below what I could probably do if I were in race mode. Speed work is the one thing I want to concentrate on when Rotterdam is over (or maybe after Cork).
I like that three third approach idea, it kind of makes sense, and based on what you said around times I think you might be right about my times being close to 3.45, but they're also close to 4 hours. What I might do is start off with an initial pace aiming for the 4 hours, and if after a third or so I feel like I'm holding back speed up a little and see how it goes. It may not be the fastest I'm capable of I don't know, but I suppose there are plenty of other races out there for figuring that side of things out 0 -
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