Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

ArseBurger

Marlow wrote: »

There is another another way of doing this and that is to just basically shut down the Ripwave service and to people that then call in, because it isn't working, ship a new unit.

A splash page is the way to do it. It doesn't even need a walled garden approach. Link this with an incentive such as a discount.

The shapers that Imagine use can do this...

I am sure they've thought of this. If not, I'll pop them over an invoice.

Marlow

ArseBurger wrote: »

A splash page is the way to do it. It doesn't even need a walled garden approach. Link this with an incentive such as a discount.

The shapers that Imagine use can do this...

I am sure they've thought of this. If not, I'll pop them over an invoice.

Sure that can be done. The problem there, is if the user never uses web-based services (ok .. unlikely, but could happen) or can't do english Then they wouldn't know what's up.

Anyhow . .. pointless discussion

/M

ArseBurger

Marlow wrote: »

Sure that can be done. The problem there, is if the user never uses web-based services (ok .. unlikely, but could happen) or can't do english Then they wouldn't know what's up.

You use multiple languages. Either all on the splash page or based upon your browser's configuration.

It's been done before. The capture rate is in the 90's when reward based.

Hammer of Thor

Screw it, I wasn't happy with Irish Broadband/Imagine when I had their ripwave service, and from reading the comments here I can see their attitude towards customers and prospective customers hasn't changed a bit.

On the upside tho I did a little rooting about to see what other countries who already have this system in use think and came across this -
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/clearwire-and-sprint-slinging-wimax-to-nc-hi-and-tx-in-november/
if you do care to take a looksee at some current users comments at the bottom I think you might be surprised! Being a consistent cynic myself I always think the worst when I hear about these things, but the majority of these guys seem to be satisfied with it, one chap even mentions that he has no problems using the PS3 with it.

There's also some mention of pricing, but it is the States, so we could mabe convert then triple the price? Ah there I go again with the cynicism!

Marlow

Hammer of Thor wrote: »

if you do care to take a looksee at some current users comments at the bottom I think you might be surprised! Being a consistent cynic myself I always think the worst when I hear about these things, but the majority of these guys seem to be satisfied with it, one chap even mentions that he has no problems using the PS3 with it.

There's also some mention of pricing, but it is the States, so we could mabe convert then triple the price? Ah there I go again with the cynicism!

You can not necessarily compare to other countries, especially the states. They have other frequency bands in lower frequencies, that they can use for WiMAX.

Ripwave used 2.4 GHz and 3.5 GHz. The new service will most likely be 3.5-3.6 GHz spectrum. The performance, latency and reliability is impaired by being at a lot higher frequency as for example in the states. Any building affects you more, the higher the frequency used is.

Don't compare apples and pears. Compare apples and apples. Right now, you can compare any mobile WiMAX rollout in Ireland with: Ripwave, Clearwire and Go!. Those are the only existing mobile WiMAX rollouts here in Ireland.

Other countries, other scenarios.

Oh and to give you another indication. 3G (and later maybe LTE) is at 2.1 GHz in Ireland. Much better chance for getting a signal.

/M

Hammer of Thor

Well gorramit you had to go and burst my bubble huh! lol, fair enough, duly noted!

ArseBurger

Marlow wrote: »

Don't compare apples and pears. Compare apples and apples. Right now, you can compare any mobile WiMAX rollout in Ireland with: Ripwave, Clearwire and Go!. Those are the only existing mobile WiMAX rollouts here in Ireland.

Be careful defining mobile WiMAX and nomadic/fixed.

There's a definite difference in providing a 802.16e network as opposed to an 802.16d network.

Marlow

ArseBurger wrote: »

Be careful defining mobile WiMAX and nomadic/fixed.

There's a definite difference in providing a 802.16e network as opposed to an 802.16d network.

Sure there is. I'm just saying, it is used in other frequency bands in other countries that cope better with Line of Sight and even though there will be improvements, you can not break physics.

If it's nomadic/mobile WiMax, it stays midband.

/M

cormie

Hi,
I'm currently using RipWave as my main home broadband. I use my mobile phone to get online when I'm out and about with a data package on o2.

Ripwave is fine, I'm on the 1mb package, it's 18.95 a month. I'm not pushed paying the extra tenner for 2mb and I like the fact I can take it anywhere and don't need anything installed on the building I'm in.

Is WiMax a viable replacement? Could I get the "mobile" version and this would be better than my 1mb ripwave AND my o2 data package? So I could just get WiMax and ditch ripwave and the o2 data package I wonder?

Any feedback appreciated

jellies

Marlow wrote: »

You can not necessarily compare to other countries, especially the states. They have other frequency bands in lower frequencies, that they can use for WiMAX.

Ripwave used 2.4 GHz and 3.5 GHz. The new service will most likely be 3.5-3.6 GHz spectrum. The performance, latency and reliability is impaired by being at a lot higher frequency as for example in the states. Any building affects you more, the higher the frequency used is.

Don't compare apples and pears. Compare apples and apples. Right now, you can compare any mobile WiMAX rollout in Ireland with: Ripwave, Clearwire and Go!. Those are the only existing mobile WiMAX rollouts here in Ireland.

Other countries, other scenarios.

Oh and to give you another indication. 3G (and later maybe LTE) is at 2.1 GHz in Ireland. Much better chance for getting a signal.

/M

The spectrum band used for any wireless network affects coverage. Agree with that.

But I cant see how it affects reliability or performance?

Reliability is generally dictated by things like the network design, and resilience of the kit.

Performance is a function of the techology itself. How well does it perform? What are the throughputs? What is the latency? etc. Not spectrum.

And....how is latency affected by frequency?
c= f x l - i.e. speed through the air does not change with frequency. Latency would be dependent on the underlying technology, chipsets, backhaul nodes, interference etc. It's not affected by the spectrum band.

Ripwave and Clearwire also are not WiMAX. Totally different technology.

So, performance at 3.5GHz should be similar to the 2.6GHz band used in the states...provided you are in coverage. The user experience of the technology should also be very similar.

Marlow

jellies wrote: »

But I cant see how it affects reliability or performance?

Reliability is generally dictated by things like the network design, and resilience of the kit.

It is affected in the sense, that reliability is not only uptime. It takes also packet-loss, signal-issues etc. into account.

So, if you are on the boundaries to the coverage and since it is a mobile device, you can loose connectivity more easy as in a fixed setup.

jellies wrote: »

Performance is a function of the techology itself. How well does it perform? What are the throughputs? What is the latency? etc. Not spectrum.

Again. Only time will show, because you won't see the real life figures until they load the network up.

jellies wrote: »

And....how is latency affected by frequency?
c= f x l - i.e. speed through the air does not change with frequency. Latency would be dependent on the underlying technology, chipsets, backhaul nodes, interference etc. It's not affected by the spectrum band.

I didn't say frequency affects latency. Because WiMAX in a fixed wireless setup at 3.5 GHz works brilliantly. I pointed out, it's a mobile/nomadic service at 3.5 GHz. 3.5 GHz is a microwave band and in general should be used for Line of Sight applications in my opinion, to get the optimum result.

jellies wrote: »

Ripwave and Clearwire also are not WiMAX. Totally different technology.

Wrong. I think you need to do some more research. Ripwave is a pre-standard of WiMAX. One of the very early ones. Navini's 802.16e solution is called Ripwave-MX and is their replacement for the early ones.

Clearwire uses WiMAX after the 802.16d standard I believe.

Corrections are welcome, but they are both WiMAX nomadic deployments.

jellies wrote: »

So, performance at 3.5GHz should be similar to the 2.6GHz band used in the states...provided you are in coverage. The user experience of the technology should also be very similar.

I do disagree very much on that. You need more signal power due to the higher frequency to archieve the same, due to the longer travel-distance of the signal. It is after all .. microwaves.

More power means less users or more contention than it would have been at 2.6 GHz. Ergo affects performance.

/M

Sponge Bob

cormie wrote: »

Ripwave is fine, I'm on the 1mb package, it's 18.95 a month. I'm not pushed paying the extra tenner for 2mb and I like the fact I can take it anywhere and don't need anything installed on the building I'm in.

Is WiMax a viable replacement? Could I get the "mobile" version and this would be better than my 1mb ripwave AND my o2 data package? So I could just get WiMax and ditch ripwave and the o2 data package I wonder?

Any feedback appreciated

I assume that if you are happy with Ripwave you must be quite close to the mast , if in a big city that mast will be upgraded to wimax and they will replace your home kit.

Therefore you should be no worse off.

If in Dublin they will ( in certain areas for certain) have more spectrum than is available to o2+ripwave combined and should be able to offer a better service on wimax . They may have applied for this extra spectrum in the other big cities too , I don't know as comreg have published nothing yet .

However it is also important to note that when ripwave is replaced the replacement device will be almost exactly like the O2 dongle and not a ripwave and will not have an external aerial like a ripwave unit does.

That will affect its performance for many unless more cells are rolled out .I do not believe the same number of cells will be able to provide the service you get now in a big city ( where ripwave has been rolled out) and they will have to increase the number of cells .

Only time will tell .

Hammer of Thor

Still no word from Imagine about pricing and average quality stats?

Do ya think everyone who's posted here should email them with a link to this thread with a few expectant question marks???-???

Sponge Bob

@Cormie again

I forgot that many people have plugged their ripwaves into top floor bedrooms and run a network cable through the house to where they use the service .

That will no longer be possible when the dongle is powered by the computer itself and is no loger a free standing unit like a ripwave .

Fortunately I know that Imagine read this thread a lot and I strongly advise them to engage with Dovado who have a long running sticky going in this very forum so that an Imagine Wimax dongle can be plugged into a Dovado unit and the signal can be boosted across the customer premises on unlicenced wi-fi to where it is required.

I see no reason why Dovado would not be very interested ....had they a dongle and drivers to play with

Marlow

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I see no reason why Dovado would not be very interested ....had they a dongle and drivers to play with

Yep. And if they don't want to play ball, there are also DrayTek and AVM's Fritz! Box, who already support 3G dongles. Should be easy to add support for other USB type dongles.

/M

Sponge Bob

Marlow wrote: »

Yep. And if they don't want to play ball, there are also DrayTek and AVM's Fritz! Box, who already support 3G dongles. Should be easy to add support for other USB type dongles.

It should indeed , and whether Dovado Draytek or Fritzbox it is in all cases cheaper than rolling out extra cells ...which is something Imagine understands very very well

Dovado had the manners to engage with Irish midband users unlike Draytek and Fritzbox and should be give first shot at it IMO.

thebman

ArseBurger wrote: »

You use multiple languages. Either all on the splash page or based upon your browser's configuration.

It's been done before. The capture rate is in the 90's when reward based.

Even if they just said for recycling they'd get a lot of them back, giving a discount such as a free months service on WiMax service if they sign up for it would probably work.

Either way I don't see why its taking so long to get it going. Surely they knew about these problems before launching a massive marketing campaign.

cormie

Thanks for that info Sponge Bob. Yes, at the moment I'm in a Dublin suburb and the connection although quite slow sometimes, is consistent and as long as I can stay connected to the likes of MSN without interruption and get emails as they arrive, then I'm happy with that. I do have to pause and wait for say youtube videos to load, sometimes for quite some time, but really I don't need more.

I have my ripwave modem connected to a wireless router and I'm not the only one who uses it. This could be a problem with Wimax and I really don't fancy having a dongle hanging out the side of my laptop either. It would probably only last a few weeks before it gets broken.

If Wimax can be wifi'd and gives me much faster speeds and can be taken mobile and costs less than €25 per month (the cost of ripwave and o2) I'd be interested. If it's in any way like the midband that I once had with Three, no thanks. I also wouldn't fancy having to buy a new route (the Dovado thingy) just for this but again, I'd consider it if even with having to buy this, it was competitive.

Thanks again for the info. Any idea how long it'll be before all this is known for sure I wonder?

Sponge Bob

Well do remember that with a dongle the key 'sharing' of the service will be done by your pc to the wifi router and if the pc is not there the nothing will work , with the Dovado unit it matters not , it replaces your current wi fi unit .

Also consider that the cost of ripwave + o2 is surely more than €25 a month .....or are o2 giving you some €5 a month data add on to a mobile rather than a dongle ??

Finally remember that the ( current) Dovado is only €130 delivered from their Irish distributor , see

http://www.commsoft.ie/shop/

Not too onerous and the rest of the house can use it if you are not there . Alternatively it may share an o2 dongle ( or even a 3 dongle , bless ) if you take your imagine dongle off with ya

cormie

Hi again,
I'm not too sure what you mean in your first sentence.. I only have the laptop. The wireless router (linksys) and ripwave modem are in another room, plugged in beside the window. I get the signal on my laptop and so do others on theirs. There's no "server" pc or anything like that, I'm not sure if that's what you meant though

Yep, I have a €7.50 (I think that's what it costs) add on for o2 data so that's where the €25 comes from.

€130 delivered is still quite expensive for the unit. That would be nearly 7 months broadband with ripwave at present:o

jellies

Sponge Bob wrote: »

@Cormie again

I forgot that many people have plugged their ripwaves into top floor bedrooms and run a network cable through the house to where they use the service .

That will no longer be possible when the dongle is powered by the computer itself and is no loger a free standing unit like a ripwave .

Fortunately I know that Imagine read this thread a lot and I strongly advise them to engage with Dovado who have a long running sticky going in this very forum so that an Imagine Wimax dongle can be plugged into a Dovado unit and the signal can be boosted across the customer premises on unlicenced wi-fi to where it is required.

I see no reason why Dovado would not be very interested ....had they a dongle and drivers to play with

This is a good point.

One of the advantages WiMAX offers over proprietary technologies like Ripwave is that there is a lot more CPE development. This should mean a lot more choice for people as to how they connect to WiMAX. This could include external antennas, home gateway, dongle or embedded chipsets. It could also include devices like cameras, game consoles etc....who knows.

At the moment imagine are replacing Ripwave units with Moto CPEi 775. This is an indoor gateway with Ethernet, Phone and WiFi connections, so the problem of sharing connectivty around a house or flat does not arise.

I understand the USB dongle will also be available as an option. Maybe this will also work with the Dovado unit as an alternative.

jellies

Marlow wrote: »

I do disagree very much on that. You need more signal power due to the higher frequency to archieve the same, due to the longer travel-distance of the signal. It is after all .. microwaves.

More power means less users or more contention than it would have been at 2.6 GHz. Ergo affects performance.

/M

OK maybe I wasn't clear.

Consider a WiMAX customer on a 2.6GHz and a 3.5GHz network with the same signal strength (RSSI) and signal quality (C/I). Both of these customers will get the same performance.

However, if the customer is 1km on the 2.6GHz network, to get the same experience they would have to be about 0.8km away on the 3.5GHz network to account for increased signal loss at the higher frequency.

This is not a problem, provided the network is planned accordingly.

In urban areas this can actually be an advantage as it reduces interference for dense cells and increases the potential network capacity.

Remember, from early next year Intel will have 3.5GHz capability embedded in their WiMAX chipset, so they obviously don't see a problem at this frequency.

Marlow

jellies wrote: »

Consider a WiMAX customer on a 2.6GHz and a 3.5GHz network with the same signal strength (RSSI) and signal quality (C/I). Both of these customers will get the same performance.

However, if the customer is 1km on the 2.6GHz network, to get the same experience they would have to be about 0.8km away on the 3.5GHz network to account for increased signal loss at the higher frequency.

This is not a problem, provided the network is planned accordingly.

My point on apples compared with apples. A lot more investment is required to archieve the same coverage. Sure there are advantages, but it requires, that the provider is willing to do so.

jellies wrote: »

Remember, from early next year Intel will have 3.5GHz capability embedded in their WiMAX chipset, so they obviously don't see a problem at this frequency.

Intel is responding to the market and what frequencies are available. They will have to cope with the issues that arise. If they see a problem with the frequency or not. It's a matter of demand and supply.

How well it works can only be seen, when a rollout is deployed with that specific hardware.

Until then, the only nomadic/mobile WiMAX deployments are Ripwave and Clearwire in Ireland. That's a fact. And proprietary, pre-WiMAX standard or not, they are all 802.16(x), so go under and marketed as WiMAX. You can not market a product as WiMAX and then years later say it's not.

/M

Sponge Bob

jellies wrote: »

At the moment imagine are replacing Ripwave units with Moto CPEi 775. This is an indoor gateway with Ethernet, Phone and WiFi connections, so the problem of sharing connectivty around a house or flat does not arise.

Thanks jellies , the Moto cpei is an all in one Dovado equivalent ( no dongle as the wimax is built in) but I understand they cost quite a lot right now . They would for equivalence sake replace BOTH of Cormies current windowsill gadgets with the one single gadget .

see http://www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/Business+Product+and+Services/Wireless+Broadband+Networks/WiMAX/wi4+WiMAX+Fixed+Devices/CPEi+775_US-EN

However I understand they currently cost about $400 each right now ( that will drop a lot next year ) and the dongle about half that . Get them while they are available yiz ripwavers reading this

Seeing as we have Jellies around I would like to know what VoIP number blocks are available and can I get more than one phone number mapped to each of these cpei 775 units by any chance ???

TIA

onedmc

jor el wrote: »

That was eircom Broadband Time, and I think Imagine were the only reseller to take up the wholesale option (mainly because it was sh*t). They did actually offer it for a while, but I don't think for very long. It should never have been called broadband either, as broadband is "always on", and 20 hours a month is far from always on.

Fool me once smae on you fool me twice shame on me...

They ars spreading out pre-launch waffle, probably in order to get some funding to actually pay for this launch. I suppect they want to be able to tell some unsuspecting investors that thay haev had 50,000 enquiries in the 1st week.

i wonder have they even bought the infrastructues and I suspect that when the funding does come in, the first thing that will be purchased is a couple of new cars for the lads.

We may never see this and certainly not in the less populated area. My are is supposed to be live but its not.

Into Everything

Well here we are. A week and a half after the "launch" and they still haven't/ can't or won't release the information about pricing and service. Ah well at least they can find time to update their facebook page every couple of hours. I've given up on this product. I'm just going to have to wait until eircom decides to upgrade my line in about 2030.

Sponge Bob

The facebook camaign is coming unstuck , see .

Meanwhile the morkeshing droids are twittering away like a canary with haemorrhoids ...as they do. This facebook/twitter crap is all rather counterproductive

imagineeurope

1. @fjsvasconcelos We're rolling out WiMax area by area.Check out imagine.ie for phase 1 of our roll out & register to get WiMax in your area!about 20 hours ago from web in reply to fjsvasconcelos
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ArseBurger

jellies wrote: »

The spectrum band used for any wireless network affects coverage. Agree with that.

But I cant see how it affects reliability or performance?

Reliability is generally dictated by things like the network design, and resilience of the kit.

Performance is a function of the techology itself. How well does it perform? What are the throughputs? What is the latency? etc. Not spectrum.

And....how is latency affected by frequency?
c= f x l - i.e. speed through the air does not change with frequency. Latency would be dependent on the underlying technology, chipsets, backhaul nodes, interference etc. It's not affected by the spectrum band.

Ripwave and Clearwire also are not WiMAX. Totally different technology.

So, performance at 3.5GHz should be similar to the 2.6GHz band used in the states...provided you are in coverage. The user experience of the technology should also be very similar.

Do some investigation on QAM levels...

newbuild06

When i first heard about this i thought great at last those of us who are unfortunate enough to live in an area with no broadband might finally be getting some broadband. However after reading this thread and following the launch of the imagine campaign its not looking too fruitful. Why is everything so secret about pricing ?
Our only real option at the moment is 3 and that does not look the best, back to dial up again.

Marlow

newbuild06 wrote: »

When i first heard about this i thought great at last those of us who are unfortunate enough to live in an area with no broadband might finally be getting some broadband. However after reading this thread and following the launch of the imagine campaign its not looking too fruitful. Why is everything so secret about pricing ?
Our only real option at the moment is 3 and that does not look the best, back to dial up again.

Looking at the coverage stage 1 they aren't trying to cover areas that have no coverage. They are covering areas that have plenty of other broadband options.

/M