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O'Leary admits on TV3 that Ryanairs Yes campaign is all about getting Aer Lingus

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    #122
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Johnboy, it's abundantly clear what was meant. He gave his reasons for campaigning for a yes vote as:

    1. The government is incompetent
    2. I think it's in the best interest of the Irish economy and the nearly 500,000 people who will be unemployed at the end of the year.

    And he mentioned in the context of the interview, as the question Yates asked was about buying Aer Lingus, that the government's incompetence is preventing him from buying them. He was asked if he was trying to get approval from the European commission by campaigning for a yes and he explained that they have no say in the matter. If you want to believe he said something else you can but it will just be one more thing to add to list list of lies and half truths propping up the no side

    I really am very peed off reading about anything that someone disagrees with with being termed as lies. (both sides)

    Thank you for your permission to believe what I wish! Nice of you.

    It shows to me the seriously low level this supposed debate on Lisbon has reached.

    You quoted MOL, and I posted my interpretation of what he said. You have posted yours .......... but adding that any other interpretation than yours is a lie.

    This type of response most certainly does not encourage me to vote Yes.
    I think it's fairly clear that you can take from this what you prefer. However, the original "quote" was entirely made up.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Entirely made up?

    There may have been a post with a quote out of context, but "entirely made up"?

    That means that MOL never said any of those words at all.

    I question the veracity of your "entirely made up" statement .... unless you can tell me the whole thing is a hoax and point me to some independent confirmation of that ...


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    #123
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I really am very peed off reading about anything that someone disagrees with with being termed as lies. (both sides)

    Thank you for your permission to believe what I wish! Nice of you.

    It shows to me the seriously low level this supposed debate on Lisbon has reached.

    You quoted MOL, and I posted my interpretation of what he said. You have posted yours .......... but adding that any other interpretation than yours is a lie.
    I have found this whole campaign amazing. He would be shooting his whole campaign in the foot if he actually said what you think he said, he'd want to be a moron. It's 100% clear what he meant when you look at the whole interview but you have managed to convince yourself otherwise. I don't think you're lying, I think you truly believe that that's what he meant, I just find it amazing that your desire to believe he said that has allowed you to believe he did. It really gives an insight into how human beings think

    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    This type of response most certainly does not encourage me to vote Yes.
    What does the attitude of Sam Vimes on boards.ie have to do with whether or not the Lisbon treaty would be good for Ireland?
    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Entirely made up?

    There may have been a post with a quote out of context, but "entirely made up"?

    That means that MOL never said any of those words at all.

    I question the veracity of your "entirely made up" statement .... unless you can tell me the whole thing is a hoax and point me to some independent confirmation of that ...

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    Entirely made up refers to the meaning gleaned from the words. Yes Michael O'Leary has said some of those words in that order in his life but he has never publicly made a statement that his yes campaign is meant to convince the government to sell him Aer Lingus


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    #124
    CCCP^
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭CCCP^


    Apparently, Michael O' Leary has spent almost 500,000 euro in search of a Yes vote to Lisbon in order to get his hands on Aer Lingus.
    Irish Times wrote:

    RYANAIR CAMPAIGN: RYANAIR HAS emerged as the campaigning group with the biggest declared spend on the Lisbon Treaty referendum after its chief executive Michael O’Leary confirmed its costs were “just under €500,000”.

    While the anti-Lisbon group Cóir’s expenditure has not been revealed, the Ireland for Europe campaign has raised more than €300,000 and Libertas leader Declan Ganley confirmed costs of “less than €100,000”.

    Yesterday, in what he called his “last political press conference”, Mr O’Leary also repeated his criticisms of the Government as “inept” and “feckless”, but he appealed to the electorate to “wait until the general election to take it out on the Irish Government”.

    He refused to say which way he voted in the last referendum, insisting that it would be a “distraction” to say whether he voted Yes or No.

    He admitted, however, that he did not think people were wrong to vote No in 2008.

    “I think the two compelling arguments the No side had the last time was we would lose a commissioner and we would lose control over our taxation.”

    But he repeatedly stressed that these were now the two principal reasons for a Yes vote.

    “We are guaranteed to keep an EU commissioner” and Ireland would secure a veto on direct taxation, and these guarantees were offered only to Ireland.

    “If we vote Yes on Friday Ireland continues to control both our income tax and our corporation tax rate and that’s what drives so much foreign inward investment in this country and so many thousands of jobs in this country.”

    Answering questions about campaign funding, Mr O’Leary said that it was Ryanair money, not his personal funds, that was being spent.

    Questioned as to shareholders’ views, he said “we had the agm last week and absolutely no dissent from our shareholders”.

    “Europe has certainly been good for Ireland. Without Europe’s policy on deregulation, Open Skies, Ryanair wouldn’t exist. Let’s not forget in Ireland we specialise in government-protected semi-State monopolies that are hopelessly inefficient, very bad for consumers ...”

    Asked what he thought of the Government’s campaign this time, he described it as “relatively clever because they stayed out of it”.

    Pressed repeatedly about whether he was campaigning for a Yes vote because he wants EU backing for his interest in Aer Lingus, the Ryanair chief executive insisted that “whether we vote Yes or No to Europe on Friday it won’t alter what’s going to happen with Aer Lingus”.

    Launching his final poster which was also published in newspapers yesterday, he reiterated criticisms of No campaigners Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald, Patricia McKenna of the People’s Movement, Socialist Party MEP Joe Higgins and Declan Ganley of Libertas.

    Mr O’Leary included Mr Higgins who won a European Parliament seat, because he lost his Dáil seat.

    The Ryanair poster, with photographs of the No campaigners, proclaims that “only losers say No to Europe”.

    Asked how fair it was for him to call politicians losers when he had not contested an election, he said “I think that’s actually why I have such a different contribution to make to this referendum.

    “I’m one of the few people in it who’s not a politician, doesn’t want to be a politician.

    He said he did not care about “family values” or “neutrality or those other issues”.

    “I care about the economy of this country.”

    Taken from http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0930/1224255524937.html
    Ryanair wrote:
    “only losers say No to Europe”.

    Remember kids, stay in school the EU!


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    #125
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    It would be nice if thread titles could be in some way related to the actual content of the OP.
    But he repeatedly stressed that these were now the two principal reasons for a Yes vote.

    “We are guaranteed to keep an EU commissioner” and Ireland would secure a veto on direct taxation, and these guarantees were offered only to Ireland.

    “If we vote Yes on Friday Ireland continues to control both our income tax and our corporation tax rate and that’s what drives so much foreign inward investment in this country and so many thousands of jobs in this country.”
    Pressed repeatedly about whether he was campaigning for a Yes vote because he wants EU backing for his interest in Aer Lingus, the Ryanair chief executive insisted that “whether we vote Yes or No to Europe on Friday it won’t alter what’s going to happen with Aer Lingus”.


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    #126
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    ''It seems that only in the European Union, Ireland and Zimbabwe you are forced to

    vote twice,''.... ''The vote should be respected. It is the only democratic thing to do.''

     - Michael O'Leary

    http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2008/10/19/story36862.asp

    I don't disagree with you Michael.


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    #127
    Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭Dinner


    moondogspot wrote: »
    ''It seems that only in the European Union, Ireland and Zimbabwe you are forced to

    vote twice,''.... ''The vote should be respected. It is the only democratic thing to do.''

     - Michael O'Leary

    http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2008/10/19/story36862.asp

    I don't disagree with you Michael.

    Isn't it amazing how people can change their minds?!


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    #128
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    Dinner wrote: »
    Isn't it amazing how people can change their minds?!

    It's quite a dramatic turn around, don't you think?;)


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    #129
    Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭Dinner


    moondogspot wrote: »
    It's quite a dramatic turn around, don't you think?;)

    Yeah, it's almost as if he spotted that some concerns were sorted out that makes it perfectly democratic to have another referendum.


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    #130
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    Dinner wrote: »
    Yeah, it's almost as if he spotted that some concerns were sorted out that makes it perfectly democratic to have another referendum.

    It would make one wonder what he has been promised.;)


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    #131
    Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭Dinner


    moondogspot wrote: »
    One wonders what he has been promised.;)

    Nothing, I'd imagine. Unless you have proof that suggests that he has been bribed someway I'll stick to the opinion that he believes that the guarantees are sufficient to warrent a second referendum. I don't expect you to agree of course, I know you don't like the idea that the guarantees reassured people and changed their minds.


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    #132
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    Dinner wrote: »
    Nothing, I'd imagine. Unless you have proof that suggests that he has been bribed someway I'll stick to the opinion that he believes that the guarantees are sufficient to warrent a second referendum. I don't expect you to agree of course, I know you don't like the idea that the guarantees reassured people and changed their minds.

    We'll agree to disagree.:)


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    #133
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    moondogspot wrote: »
    It would make one wonder what he has been promised.;)

    Indeed.

    Ganley and Hedge Funds?

    SF and UKIP?

    Look, we can all play this game.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #134
    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    moondogspot wrote: »
    It would make one wonder what he has been promised.;)

    I changed my mind too I wonder what I was promised. (Note to our EU overlords: If you're watching there's still time to buy me off)


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    #135
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    K-9 wrote: »
    Indeed.
    SF and UKIP?

    :eek:
    I think not!


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    #136
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Michael O Leary is enough of a reason for me to vote NO. If I were the YES campaigners I would ask him to shut it, because he will turn off potential yes voters.


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    #137
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Michael O Leary is enough of a reason for me to vote NO. If I were the YES campaigners I would ask him to shut it, because he will turn off potential yes voters.

    It is every bit as sensible as voting No because the referendum is on a Friday.


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    #138
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    But he will turn off voters. You may as well get a man to dress up in a nazi uniform, with a little mustache and I sign that says "Lisbon, VOTE YES!"


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    #139
    johnwillnot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭johnwillnot


    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Michael O Leary is enough of a reason for me to vote NO. If I were the YES campaigners I would ask him to shut it, because he will turn off potential yes voters.

    I liked Michael O Leary prior to this. If you observe his body language on the prime time debate, you can tell he has been bought.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbuyGJKxp9I

    If I was an Aer lingus worker, I would be getting worried.


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    #140
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    johnwillnot wrote: »
    I liked Michael O Leary prior to this. If you observe his body language on the prime time debate, you can tell he has been bought..

    Care to provide any examples of his body language which indicate this?


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    #141
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    johnwillnot wrote: »
    I liked Michael O Leary prior to this. If you observe his body language on the prime time debate, you can tell he has been bought.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbuyGJKxp9I

    If I was an Aer lingus worker, I would be getting worried.

    I presume you'll be back on this forum, holding your hands up, if Ryanair don't acquire Aer Lingus after the vote?


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