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Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

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    #7112
    Doyler01
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Doyler01


    Whats wrong with the DJ changes?


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    #7113
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,704 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Doyler01 wrote: »
    Whats wrong with the DJ changes?
    It made Deejay players realise they're playing the wrong character :pac:


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    #7114
    Azza
    Moderators Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭Azza


    Ramza wrote: »
    Ah, my bad. That's a great change then



    That is really strange, will it still be usable in combos now?

    Also, didn't Yun get his divekick buffed? Or was I dreaming when I read that? Also Sakura#s changes are quite good, just wish her EX Tatsu was at least 0 on block, don't get why it's +2, still a silly move

    Still useable but not a lot of point using it over C.MK which does more damage and is one frame quicker.


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    #7115
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,236 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Doyler01 wrote: »
    Whats wrong with the DJ changes?

    Nothing! They're super!

    ...


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    #7116
    The Hound
    Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭The Hound


    They should remove knee drop with deejay. It just encourages deejay players to play like dopes.

    Tbh it sounds like he got buffs that he needed but will still reek of anus.

    Doom they nerfed U1 damage but Red Focus gives ez ways for folks to land ultras. Seems fair to me.

    Sagat with the godlike nerfs. Still The King

    Sagat players on srk are crying over his nerfs - https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/capcom-save-sagat


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    #7117
    Ramza
    Registered Users Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭Ramza


    The Hound wrote: »
    They should remove knee drop with deejay. It just encourages deejay players to play like dopes.

    Tbh it sounds like he got buffs that he needed but will still reek of anus.

    Doom they nerfed U1 damage but Red Focus gives ez ways for folks to land ultras. Seems fair to me.

    Sagat with the godlike nerfs. Still The King

    Annoying ass move, nerf is welcomed, it got a great buff so don't really see what the issue is

    Dat st.lk buff is great for Sagat, so is the Ultra in corner buff, makes it more consistent. Will HK tiger knee connect fully now on crouchers off a bnb? If so that's a great buff


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    #7118
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,236 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Going to learn someone else and just change Deejay from an agressive character to an out and out turtle. I'm doing to bore the utter **** out of everyone. Blame Capcom.


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    #7119
    Doyler01
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Doyler01


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Going to learn someone else and just change Deejay from an agressive character to an out and out turtle. I'm doing to bore the utter **** out of everyone. Blame Capcom.

    Do the changes make him more of a turtle?

    I thought they made offence more viable across the board. You just have to be a little less brain dead with lk sobat during footsies and then on ur wake up.

    The knee changes are way more of a buff than a nerf.

    Are DJ players mad cus they expected more or what?


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    #7120
    Lythero
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Lythero


    When's this bloody game coming out already.

    Need to knock all-a-y'all on the floor with my shoryuKEN.


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    #7121
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    Lythero wrote: »
    When's this bloody game coming out already.

    Need to knock all-a-y'all on the floor with my shoryuKEN.

    Digital on June 4th.
    Disc in August.


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    #7122
    Lythero
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Lythero


    Digital it is then. But I'll be playing Mario Kart 8 first since it'll be out sooner and in all honesty, is probably going to be the better fighting game too.


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    #7123
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    Gotta get me one o' them 'we-you' yokes.


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    #7124
    Simon_K
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    2 weeks? Hype.

    When's PC version coming out btw ? I'll double dip on ps3 and pc, but would much rather play on PC exclusively, my PS3 is dyin.


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    #7125
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    Simon_K wrote: »
    2 weeks? Hype.

    When's PC version coming out btw ?

    Also August.
    PS3 version's out on June 3rd.


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    #7126
    Simon_K
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    **** Capcom :v I wonder if thats because of GFWL/transfer to steamworks.


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    #7127
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    Nah, PC version always came last with every other update, by about as long.


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    #7128
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Doyler01 wrote: »
    Do the changes make him more of a turtle?

    I thought they made offence more viable across the board. You just have to be a little less brain dead with lk sobat during footsies and then on ur wake up.

    The knee changes are way more of a buff than a nerf.

    Are DJ players mad cus they expected more or what?

    You should try playing footsies with Dee Jay for a while. One of his normals will need a serious boost to even start to compensate for the sobat nerf.

    As for MGU, The whole of SF4 is being changed that there's less of the "safe wake up" going on. I think Dee Jay was never going to get away with something better than that tbh.


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    #7129
    Doyler01
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Doyler01


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    You should try playing footsies with Dee Jay for a while. One of his normals will need a serious boost to even start to compensate for the sobat nerf.

    But sobat got buffed too? It's much safer now which will change its usefulness big time. Like vs Guile.

    As for normals getting boosted...

    • Far Standing MP start-up reduced by 1 frame (7F → 6F)
    • Crouching LK start-up reduced by 1 frame (5F → 4F)
    • Crouching MP hitbox expanded forward
    • Crouching MK damage increased by 10 (70 → 80)

    Nothing spectacular but its a start. His st hk isnt the worst either iirc and his walk speed is grand. He's not meant to be footsie king, he's meant to use his riddum


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    #7130
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,236 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Doyler01 wrote: »
    Do the changes make him more of a turtle?

    I thought they made offence more viable across the board. You just have to be a little less brain dead with lk sobat during footsies and then on ur wake up.

    The knee changes are way more of a buff than a nerf.

    Are DJ players mad cus they expected more or what?

    I think that, as a community, Deejay players expected a stronger character given the fact he was pretty much the worst character (definitley bottom 3) in AE2012 and given Capcoms talk that this version would balance the game more. No one wanted god-tier, just to fix a few of his glaring faults as a character, the main one being something to deal with meaty pressure on wakeup.


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    #7131
    Dreddybajs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭Dreddybajs


    They did improve that since they made EX MGU faster and throw invincible though.


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    #7132
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Doyler01 wrote: »
    But sobat got buffed too? It's much safer now which will change its usefulness big time. Like vs Guile.

    As for normals getting boosted...

    • Far Standing MP start-up reduced by 1 frame (7F → 6F)
    • Crouching LK start-up reduced by 1 frame (5F → 4F)
    • Crouching MP hitbox expanded forward
    • Crouching MK damage increased by 10 (70 → 80)

    Nothing spectacular but its a start. His st hk isnt the worst either iirc and his walk speed is grand. He's not meant to be footsie king, he's meant to use his riddum

    Guile is going to ANNIHILATE him now.

    At range, boom kills him already.

    Little closer, his new better cr mk will stuff Dee Jay's only viable option to close (sobat), I know that and I'm going to be spamming it because what's he going to do?

    If I feel like owning him with another button I can always use ST hp. What's he going to do?

    Plus because a flash kick is easier to react with than SRK he pretty much never lands a knee shot on Guile.

    The new LK sobat will be better in situations where the pressure is already on but Dee Jay is going to have to work insanely hard to get that chance on Guile. Or Sim for that matter, he's going to be a nightmare...

    (This, of course, without playing the char. If they really did give him a decent normal buff it could be void.)


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    #7133
    Lythero
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Lythero


    They should've given him a maraca projectile move.

    grenaca_zps3ed6b0e2.jpg


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    #7134
    Jun_DP101
    Registered Users Posts: 966 ✭✭✭Jun_DP101


    Lythero wrote: »
    They should've given him a maraca projectile move.

    grenaca_zps3ed6b0e2.jpg

    Capcom hire this man


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    #7135
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Yeah red focus whateve-

    NEW CHARACTER SELECT MUSIC!!!



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    #7136
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    Jesus. I assume that was training mode and Red Focus health doesn't recover anywhere NEAR that quickly?


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    #7137
    Simon_K
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    OK so i havent been following the red focus development at all. Is it a "timed" parry sort of thing or what?


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    #7138
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    Simon_K wrote: »
    OK so i havent been following the red focus development at all. Is it a "timed" parry sort of thing or what?

    Hold buttons to laugh off Ultras.


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    #7139
    TheMikenyan
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭TheMikenyan


    MEANWHILE:



    Full series playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLTS4u9M_2r89MGqgDNGGxQfmLuhtxqU


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    #7140
    Simon_K
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    Does the change to Dan's light dankukyaku make it work like Sagat's light tiger knee?


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    #7141
    Sairus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Sairus


    Simon_K wrote: »
    OK so i havent been following the red focus development at all. Is it a "timed" parry sort of thing or what?
    EDIT: Azza has a significantly more comprehensive and accurate description below!

    Red Focus works sort of the same as a regular focus, but with a few key differences:
    It costs 2 meters. (Red Focus Attack Dash Cancel is 3 meters)
    It absorbs infinite hits.
    Each hit it absorbs builds twice as much Ultra meter as normal.
    It jumps straight from Level 1 Focus to Level 3 focus or something? Crumples at Level 1? Not sure on that last point.


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