Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

The Hound

Na doom, St Lp to St Hp is 1 frame and besides, you're not getting charge from St Lp. Cr lp is +4. It would work off counter hit Cr Lp but good luck landing that. Counter hit crouch mp to u1 would work but thats 1 frame too.

Deejay got mad buffs. -3 hk sobat, wtf. It has great pushback now and some characters struggle to punish it as it is now. Strange buff. Nerf his stupid knee please.

F Ibuki, hope she's bottom tier, along with Guy

Looks like Posion has a jagga kick

Doctor DooM

The Hound wrote: »

Na doom, St Lp to St Hp is 1 frame and besides, you're not getting charge from St Lp. Cr lp is +4. It would work off counter hit Cr Lp but good luck landing that. Counter hit crouch mp to u1 would work but thats 1 frame too.

Deejay got mad buffs. -3 hk sobat, wtf. It has great pushback now and some characters struggle to punish it as it is now. Strange buff. Nerf his stupid knee please.

F Ibuki, hope she's bottom tier, along with Guy

Looks like Posion has a jagga kick

I was thinking cr lk, cr lp, st lp Ultra1 might be possible, no?

I'm actually well used to standing normals into Guile's Flash Kick or Super but they're cancels not links, so I guess we'll see.

Looks like Guile's cr lp is getting buffed to +5 too anyway- yay for 2 frame flash kick confirm!

The Hound

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I was thinking cr lk, cr lp, st lp Ultra1 might be possible, no?

I'm actually well used to standing normals into Guile's Flash Kick or Super but they're cancels not links, so I guess we'll see.

Looks like Guile's cr lp is getting buffed to +5 too anyway- yay for 2 frame flash kick confirm!

Ye that sounds impossible since its u1 inut.
2 frame flash kick confirm sounds great. Now he will be unsafe when he drops a combo

Doctor DooM

Translated guile changes so far:

Hurtbox on wake-up reduced
Crouching LP +5 on hit
Crouching MK hitbox and hurtbox expanded
Reverse Spin Kick hitbox expanded downard
Air throw range slightly increased
Flash Kick has 1F more invincibility
UC1 start-up now 5F, invincible 15F, 450 damage, auto-corrects
UC2 (Sonic Hurricane) damage increased to 350

All sounds good!

Fergus_

LK tatsu.................. -1 on block

But Rose is looking sick.

ladnopoka

look at the sagat buffs character is op already...

UberPrinny_Baal

The Hound wrote: »

Deejay got mad buffs. -3 hk sobat, wtf. It has great pushback now and some characters struggle to punish it as it is now. Strange buff. Nerf his stupid knee please.

Simon_K

Time to go back to Sagat I suppose.

UberPrinny_Baal

" - Air Slasher now has 15 frames of start up, it was 12 in AE."

Argh

The Hound

ladnopoka wrote: »

look at the sagat fixes :)character is The King...

Fyp

Azza

Bison changes are rather odd!

K.O.Kiki

Cammy
- Cannon Strike does not come out at low height, has longer recovery after landing. Reportedly, almost no normals connect after it.

Well she's done.

Elena
- Ultra 2 (Healing) heals near 50% of her health. Amount of health healed depends on how long you hold the buttons.

OdgeXD

Cody

Crack Kick (F+HK) is airborne from first frame

Finally -_-

Doyler01

OdgeXD wrote: »

Cody

Crack Kick (F+HK) is airborne from first frame

Finally -_-

What excellent news

K.O.Kiki

Adon
- Far HK - Is now 1 hit
- Jaguar Kick - Damage LK/MK 140 > 130, HK 130 > 120
- Air Jaguar Kick - Damage 80 > 40
- F.MP - Advantage on hit on standing +4 > +3



Cammy

Cr.Lk - Startup 3f > 4f, cannot rapid fire
Cr. HP - Advantage on hit +7 > +5
Cannon Strike - height restriction reduced, landing recovery increased from 5F to 9F



Juri

F.MK - airborne 1f, previously airborne frames 12-16
St.LP - Hitbox increased downwards
Far LK - Startup 5f > 4f
Ex Senpusha - Invincibility 1-6f > 1-7f
U2 - Hitbox Increased



Rose

Forward Dash - 21f > 20f
Cr.LP - Damage 20 > 30
Cr.LK - Damage 30 > 40
Cr.MP - Damage 60 >70
Soul Spiral - Damage 100 > 110
EX Soul Spiral - Damage 120 > 130
EX Soul Spiral - Stun 100 > 200
EX Soul Spiral - Invincibility 1-11f > 1-13f, no throw invincibility
Soul Spark - startup mp 20F, hp 27F
U1 - Startup 12f > 10f



Oni

Shoryuken - first hit FADC'able on hit and block
F.MK - Startup 13F > 11F
cr.HK - Startup 9F > 8F; recovery 24F > 20F
Focus - Bigger horizontal hitbox
HP Shoryuken - Invincibility 8F>5F (9~10f→6~7f hit invi)
LK Slash - Damage 120>110; Stun 150>130
HK Slash - Block advantage -8>－6
EX Slash - Block advantage -10>-8
MK Stomp - Block advantage -6>-4; no longer invicible frame 1
Fireball (all) - Recovery 2f shorter
U1 (ground) - Damage for non full animation 350>375; startup 11F>9F
UC2 - Command changed to HCBx2+PPP

... shít

source: Reddit

chopperbyrne

9f divekick recovery for Cammy is a huge nerf, even if she can do them lower again.

UberPrinny_Baal

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

"- Air Slasher now has 15 frames of start up, it was 12 in AE ."[/I]

Argh

Looks like this was removed from everywhere I read it, likely a mistranslation of: "Air Slasher chip increased from 12 to 15"

More chip yes plz om nom

JustShon

Don't get why it has "Close Standing Medium Kick hitbox expanded downward so it hits crouching characters now." listed as a change for Ken, it already does that.

Doctor DooM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Looks like this was removed from everywhere I read it, likely a mistranslation of: "Air Slasher chip increased from 12 to 15"

More chip yes plz om nom

This is why I was wondering why Deejay was getting nerfed. Actually his changes look good.

Sairus

"Hey, you're that guy from the World Games Cup. From Ireland right? You were with DooM and that Cody player."

Ah, FGC. Never change.

In other news Guy's st.hk is one of the most insanely good AAs in the game now.

chopperbyrne

Guy's st.HK was always a really good AA.

Did they extend it's hitbox further back towards his head so it stuff close jump ins?

The Hound

- Sagat can no longer trade a Tiger Uppercut into Ultra

raah!

The gouken changes are looking good. All things that make him more solid and consistent as a char. I hope the cr mp hitstun increase means it can combo to fb, that would be a huge buff. Cancellable st lk is huge too. Will be able to do fbs and then do lk buffered to lp palm to get focus dash throughers.

I have no idea why they nerfed the stun on his flip throw. Maybe they made it better in another way.

They need to fix his ****ting high medium counter ****, put it back to all high or all low or something.

Does cr mp being having increased hitstun mean it has incraesed block stun or are those two separate things?

Dat bison lk nerf! Hah! That will make bison mirrors different. More recovery on tele, funny. Those are weird changes. It seems they've moved him about away from the steady pressure beast he is towards a more single play damage fellow.


I might switch to ryu for that extra frame of ultra invincibility.

Vega's ultra 2 being 5f is an interesting one. It's already a weird ultra.

I wish they had all these sweet changes without the new nonsense mechancis. That's what I'd like to play

raah!

The dan meter build off taunt is a cool buff. I don't see it being too useful though.

I'm actually annoyed gouken didn't get more things and that he got a buff considering what everyone else got. But they did give him stuff in good areas. I think he might have good safe blockstrings ending in chipping improved lp palm now, which will be very useful.

Sairus

Currently Red Focus's input is really annoying. MP+MK+Any Button. It's really easy to accidentally activate it, especially mid combo in the form of a Red FADC which eats four meters. It seems kind of not good in general now. Not worth the cost.

Also, dunno if it's on SRK or whatever but Delayed Wakeup is done by holding MK+HP, not whatever was initially shown. The arcade staff went around correcting all the system guides halfway through the day.

recnib

I'm liking the sound of the Gen changes, and definitely happy that Guile's Ultra 1 can auto correct properly now, been robbed a few times because of that :P

hdaniel

Is the delay wakeup available on what was previously a hard knockdown?Presuming thats the way it is but it hasnt been explicitly stated

Azza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOwZPdtqUaE

Yreval

In CVS2, if you chose a groove where you cold do the delayed wakeup then every knockdown was a hard knockdown, so I think it's reasonable to assume that you can.

In other news, footage of the new characters' Supers and Ultras have been released:

http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/22/capcom-releases-footage-of-elena-hugo-poison-and-rolentos-supers-and-ultras-in-ultra-street-fighter-iv/

Doyler01

Azza wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOwZPdtqUaE