Union jack, whats the bid deal?

sashafierce

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keefg

No idea why this post is in the Ranting & Raving forum, so I shall move it to the party forum.

For what it's worth though, I say wear the dress.

me_right_one

It would be very offensive to a lot of people. Would you go to a Jewish convention wearing a swastika?

seanybiker

an extremely tiny mini skirt. A union jack wouldnt bother me. I would be in constant limbo walking mode.

me_right_one

Why dont you wear an Irish flag dress? You'd be staying along the same lines of flag-dressedness, and not insulting anybody. Win-win

sashafierce

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Curvy Vixen

me_right_one wrote: »

Why dont you wear an Irish flag dress? You'd be staying along the same lines of flag-dressedness, and not insulting anybody. Win-win

Why should she?? She's going as Ginger Spice not 'Unknown Irish Flag Dress Wearing Lady'! Why not suggest a gorilla suit and have it over and done with? And why would she be insulting anyone??

OP wear the dress...you're obviously going out with a gang of girls so it'll be obvious who you are.

me_right_one

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Well if they ask, tell them you're pretending to be Geri from the spice girls, but you had the good taste not to wear a union-jack dress, so you used your imagination and wore an Irish flag one instead. I'm sure you would get far more attention and loads of compliments that way

florio

I'd have thought you'd be alright. There's a small risk you'll get some idiot having a go at you for it I guess, but I think even the type who'd get their heckles up at any British symbolism would likely be mollified by the fact that it's in minidress form and that (especially if you do the ginger hair exaggerated) it's clearly recognisable as part of a very iconic and well known pop costume with no political connotations whatsoever.
No point doing it if you're going to be tensed up all night though, so make sure you feel safe before agreeing to anything. I have a few English friends who've never had any trouble wearing England shirts in Dublin city, but they admit they feel a bit uneasy at times when they catcha look off someone- again, the feminine, fancy dress version is less likely to provoke that, but something to think about.

Though I just don't think ginger spice in a tricolour would be quite the same!

me_right_one wrote: »

It would be very offensive to a lot of people. Would you go to a Jewish convention wearing a swastika?

Good lord. I'd say as taboo insignias go there's just a teeny difference between the swastika and the Union Jack. If we Irish had the same response to the sight of the union jack you're suggesting (and I do love how you try to make out like half the country are averse to it when you know full well only a few reprobates are immature enough to continue the prejudice) then the British flag flying above our sports grounds and state buildings when they're in this country would be a bit of a problem. And how would we watch the Eurovision every year without getting coronarys and PTSD every time their flag came up? Take your bigotry elsewhere please, I don't know whether your comment was more offensive to the Irish (by making out that we consider ourselves victim to a genocide comparable to the holocaust), the British (for making out they committed one) or the Jews (well, do you really need it spelled out?).

me_right_one

Curvy Vixen wrote: »

Why should she?? She's going as Ginger Spice not 'Unknown Irish Flag Dress Wearing Lady'! Why not suggest a gorilla suit and have it over and done with? And why would she be insulting anyone??

OP wear the dress...you're obviously going out with a gang of girls so it'll be obvious who you are.

Who do you think you are with your "why would she be insulting anyone"? Are you trying to be smart? Easy to know no-one from your family was ever murdered by british soldiers. Maybe if your Da or uncle had been shot dead on their way to work you'd have a different outlook.

Mr. Presentable

OP, wear the Jack. If you are going to despoil a flag I can't think of a better one :pac:

chughes

OP - go ahead and wear the dress and, as Brendan Behan used to say, f$ck the begrudgers.

Rowley Birkin QC

Isn't it technically illegal to wear a flag?

florio

bigkev49 wrote: »

Isn't it technically illegal to wear a flag?

Damn, if only they'd thought of that 15 years ago we could have saved the world from "Wannabe".

Noffles

Wear the flag and have a good night out, don't listen to idiots and their idiotic "Brits out" ****e, move on for f*cks sake!

mike65

Forget the flag, you are going as Ginger Spice? :eek: Dye your hair and go as Baby Spice, Mmmmmm.

Snakeblood

me_right_one wrote: »

Who do you think you are with your "why would she be insulting anyone"? Are you trying to be smart? Easy to know no-one from your family was ever murdered by british soldiers. Maybe if your Da or uncle had been shot dead on their way to work you'd have a different outlook.

I don't think Ginger Spice ever shot anyone.

Nodin

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Well, you could wear it no bother if you went as a butcher.....

dlofnep

Make sure you wear shorts to cover up your arse if you're going to wear the butcher's apron.

sashafierce

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cruiser178

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how old are you op,did you learn any irish history in school..too ask a question like that is just

Wossack

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too early for this

sashafierce

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sashafierce

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AnonoBoy

If people are offended by seeing the Union Jack as part of a Spice Girls costume then they need to either move out to an island somewhere so they'll have no more contact with the modern world or else grow the f*ck up and get over it.

She's not going as a member of the Black and Tans for god's sake.

The most offensive thing about the idea is that it's the friggin' Spice Girls and they were a hideuos bunch of cackling harpies.

Nodin

Wossack wrote: »

too early for this

Dischord twixt carpet and curtains, methinks....

smcgiff

Well, not to worry - you won't be wearing the Union Jack...

Although, you would be wearing the Union Flag!

I'd say you've less than zero chance of causing offence, although you may get plenty jokey comments.

And if flags were offensive, the British would have a lot more to complain about in, say, Gilford and further afield considering what has been done in the recent past in the name of our flag.

jd83

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If people are offended by seeing the Union Jack as part of a Spice Girls costume then they need to either move out to an island somewhere so they'll have no more contact with the modern world or else grow the f*ck up and get over it.

She's not going as a member of the Black and Tans for god's sake.

The most offensive thing about the idea is that it's the friggin' Spice Girls and they were a hideuos bunch of cackling harpies.

Exactly just wear the dress. Your more likely to get picked on for dressing up as a spice girl. You might get some muppet get all offended by the flag even though he is wearing his man utd football jersey.

sashafierce

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Nodin

AnonoBoy wrote: »

The most offensive thing about the idea is that it's the friggin' Spice Girls and they were a hideuos bunch of cackling harpies.

...who were used to terrify the country, turn milk and destroy the potato crop for 800 years. Thats why we're extinct.

Jet Black

I remember last year a guy was going as the kkk and asked if he thought he would be ok.
Think the majority of the post's said no, but the op then said he was black and everyone seen the funny side of it.
I would say dress up as her.

defence forces

sashafierce wrote: »

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It doesn't really matter as it depends where you go. Walk into some place on halloween night full of knackers where no-one is wearing costumes (yes not a good idea). but if you and your mates are dressed up as the spice girls you would have to be fairly retarded to recognise that, I think even my dad knows about brit flag dress. frankly I want to go naked on halloween but that is not acceptable in some places, not the mention the constant groping that would go on. My lines would be "hi ladies are you looking for something to hang your coat on?" or "anyone looking a snooker cue?".

Riddle101

sashafierce wrote: »

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OP if you want to wear the union dress Jack then wear it. Just don't go into Finglas:D

Seriously though if it's that much of a big deal then wear some other dress Ginger Spice wore. I don't think the Union Jack dress was her only dress.

Mask wrote: »

I remember last year a guy was going as the kkk and asked if he thought he would be ok.
Think the majority of the post's said no, but the op then said he was black and everyone seen the funny side of it.
I would say dress up as her.

But would the people see that the man who wanted to go as a KKK member was black. Considering he wore an all white costume and mask, they may decide to attack him and ask questions later.

Ed_

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That is the problem. You are not uptight about it but this doesn't mean some scummy tramps wont bottle you.

irishgrover

the difficulty is that the type of person who is more more likely to be offended by you dressing up as a spicegirl is also the type of person who is more likely to verbally or physically abuse you because because of it.......
In some people's minds there really is a correlation between the spire girls and a Love Ulster March down O'Connell street....

Curvy Vixen

me_right_one wrote: »

Who do you think you are with your "why would she be insulting anyone"? Are you trying to be smart? Easy to know no-one from your family was ever murdered by british soldiers. Maybe if your Da or uncle had been shot dead on their way to work you'd have a different outlook.

I'm so glad this was moved to AH.

What sort of a stupid muppet comment was that??? How the hell do you not know that my whole family wasn't wiped out by British soldiers????

The difference might be that I'm a) big enough to get over it and b) mature enough to know that a girl out on Halloween wearing part of what is essentially a 5 part costume (there being 5 Spice Girls) isn't to blame for 800 *yawn* years of oppression!

The worse thing that I can see happening to the OP is that she comes across you, or someone like you, with no doubt a belly full of drink cos that's what makes you brave, and you give her grief for wearing what is just a Halloween costume!

super_furry

cruiser178 wrote: »

how old are you op,did you learn any irish history in school..too ask a question like that is just

Indeed. Don't you know that by law you HAVE to hate the Brits, support their football clubs, wallow in their soaps and celebrity culture but scream at the TV from the comfort of your armchair eveytime their national team plays any sport at all or when the queen is shown?

Dragan

me_right_one wrote: »

Why dont you wear an Irish flag dress? You'd be staying along the same lines of flag-dressedness, and not insulting anybody. Win-win

Because over the course of your life you should never accommodate retards mate.

Ash.J.Williams

....i'm going this year as an orange man!!! have the hat and sash ready...

Fremen

me_right_one wrote: »

Who do you think you are with your "why would she be insulting anyone"? Are you trying to be smart? Easy to know no-one from your family was ever murdered by british soldiers. Maybe if your Da or uncle had been shot dead on their way to work you'd have a different outlook.

Er yew tryin-eh be smeeeeerrrh?

RMD

I shan't say yes or no to your predicament, but if I see you in that dress you're gettin' bet.

humanji

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If people are offended by seeing the Union Jack as part of a Spice Girls costume then they need to either move out to an island somewhere so they'll have no more contact with the modern world or else grow the f*ck up and get over it.

She's not going as a member of the Black and Tans for god's sake.

The most offensive thing about the idea is that it's the friggin' Spice Girls and they were a hideuos bunch of cackling harpies.

And now I have an idea for my halloween costume.

super_furry

Sure feck it, I'm going as Cromwell.

dr.bollocko

RMD wrote: »

I shan't say yes or no to your predicament, but if I see you in that dress you're gettin' bet.

Banned.
Ridiculous.

Acacia

OP, you may get a few idiots shouting at you during the course of the night, but why should you let their stupidity stop you doing what you want? They're usually the type of people who look for something to abuse somebody over- fcuk them, seriously.

To all the people taking offense at the OP's choice of costume- grow up and move on, ffs. It's not 1921 anymore. This honestly should not even be an issue. Also, comparisons with swastikias and the like are ridiculous- the costume is not meant to have political connotations- the Union Jack dress is just the most recognisable Ginger Spice costume.

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I say go with the Union Jack. Everybody will know you are Ginger Spice. It Halloween ffs.

Assuming you are going to town/somewhere decent the remaining members of "800 hundred years of oppression, my entire family were killed by Ginger Spice brigade" are unlikely to be out and less likely to have the guts to say anything to you. There's a lot of internet bravado on here.

sashafierce

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Ed_

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That member has been banned so why ask them a question they cannot answer?

Purple Gorilla

I doubt anyone will get offended by the Union Jack Dress. I'd say the ginger hair would cause more upset than anything

Doc

Where the hell are you going to find that dress in Ireland anyway?

defence forces

Hah hahahahaha