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Question about Katie Price and this so called rape

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    #122
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Jodie Marsh must be in her element...


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    #123
    walshb
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    This is Jordan we are talking about, after Paris Hilton and Kerry Katona, quite possibly the biggest waste of space on planet earth.


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    #124
    Quint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Quint


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    So a month ago she was harping on about her miscarriage, now she's been raped (despite saying in an article that she's fantasised about being raped by Mike Tyson) and apparently she's going for cancer tests in a few weeks. :confused::confused::confused:

    Hitler had more class, seriously
    LOL!
    Kiera wrote: »
    Or the flip side of that is she is telling it to the public so others will follow and tell people its happened to them instead of bottling it up! That its nothing to be ashamed of!
    I know what you're saying, but not reporting it to the police isn't a good example. Imagine someone being raped by the same guy, he's roaming the streets because Jordan decided to tell the News of the World instead of the police.


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    #125
    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    Quint wrote: »
    LOL!


    I know what you're saying, but not reporting it to the police isn't a good example. Imagine someone being raped by the same guy, he's roaming the streets because Jordan decided to tell the News of the World instead of the police.
    Oh i totally agree with you. I'm just not impressed how so many people are rubbishing her story because she's a tart.


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    #126
    Occam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Occam


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    this country has the worse reporting of rape and sexual assault in Europe.

    Care to back this wild claim up? Or can we file it with the "inaccurate" statistics you posted regarding sexual assault on another thread?


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    #127
    mandysmithers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭mandysmithers


    pikachucheeks wrote: »
    The police probably aren't taking it seriously because she's a slapper.

    I know this has been pointed out, and you've given your reason for posting it, but I think it was an absolutely disgusting remark. If you had said something along the lines of 'the police aren't taking it seriously because she's usually so full of crap', then I would see where you're coming from. The way you chose to approach it is sickening, and highlights everything that makes it so difficult for rape victims to come forward.

    Even though you meant it light-heartedly, I don't see anything light-hearted in what you posted.


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    #128
    Nevyn
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    walshb wrote: »
    This is Jordan we are talking about, after Paris Hilton and Kerry Katona, quite possibly the biggest waste of space on planet earth.

    That still does not mean she deserved to be raped or to not have a rape allegation investigated and taken seriously.


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    #129
    Riskymove
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    That still does not mean she deserved to be raped or to not have a rape allegation investigated and taken seriously.

    in fairness I think the point being made is that if she wished to have the allegation investigated and taken seriously then she should have taken it to the police and not to the media


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    #130
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Occam wrote: »
    Care to back this wild claim up? Or can we file it with the "inaccurate" statistics you posted regarding sexual assault on another thread?

    You know I could make a suggestions where you can "file" all your posts :p

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0430/1224245683770.html
    Just 8% of reported rapes result in convictions
    FIONA GARTLAND

    ONLY 8 per cent of reported rapes in the State result in convictions, a study has found.

    The rate is one of the lowest in a study of 11 European countries launched yesterday.

    In some 88 per cent of Irish cases the alleged perpetrators had taken alcohol and so had 84 per cent of the victims, the study found. And 9 per cent of the reported rapes were false allegations; the highest rate of any country in the study.

    Ireland was among 11 countries that took part in the EU Daphne II project, Different systems - similar outcomes, which looked at attrition in rape cases, the process by which cases drop out of the system. It was launched yesterday by journalist and broadcaster Vincent Browne at the Rape Crisis Centre in Dublin.

    The study examined 100 reported rapes in Ireland, England, France, Belgium, Scotland, Sweden, Germany, Austria, Greece, Hungary and Portugal in 2004.

    In Hungary, some 34 per cent of the cases led to convictions, while in Germany the figure was 23 per cent. In Ireland, Portugal and England, the figure was 8 per cent. The lowest conviction rate was in Belgium, where only 4 per cent of cases ended in conviction.

    Reporting of rape had increased in Ireland by over 500 per cent between 1977 and 2007, but the conviction rate had fallen. Between 1998 and 2000 the conviction rate was 16 per cent, but this had dropped to 8 per cent, the study found.

    The two main reasons for the failure of a case to get to court were insufficient evidence and the victims’ withdrawal. Some 69 suspects in the 100 Irish cases in the study were interviewed by gardaí, only 18 were charged and 16 cases proceeded to court. Two people were acquitted, two absconded, and in two cases the victim withdrew during proceedings. Sentences imposed on the eight people convicted ranged from 4.5 years to 15 years. In four successful cases, victims had separate legal representation.

    TCD criminologist Dr Paul O’Mahony said attrition in sexual violence cases is a serious problem throughout Europe. Mr O’Mahony, who partnered the principal investigators in the study, The Child and Woman Abuse Studies Unit, London Metropolitan University, said the proportion of convictions within cases prosecuted had remained stable.

    “The problem here appears to be one of under-prosecution,” Mr O’Mahony said.

    The involvement of alcohol in reported rapes in Ireland was high, with 88 per cent of suspects and 84 per cent of victims having consumed it. In Portugal, the alcohol figure for victims was 15 per cent. Alcohol consumption was also an issue in the decision to discontinue some cases, Mr O’Mahony said.

    “We have direct quotations from some victims who said they were unclear on details and their memories were blurred,” he said.

    Only a fifth of the reported rapes in Ireland were perpetrated by strangers while almost a quarter were carried out by current or ex-partners. In Austria, Belgium and Portugal, strangers were more often the suspects.

    Over half of the Irish rapes took place in the victims’ or suspects’ homes. And almost 40 per cent of victims in Ireland had injuries. This may be attributable to the relatively high proportion of rapes forensically examined here, the study found.

    The rate of false allegations in Ireland was the highest of the countries studied, at 9 per cent. Principal investigator Jo Lovett said it was “still considerably lower than you would be led to believe by common discussion in the press”.

    She said the factors in attrition for rape were similar in the 11 countries studied.

    She also said that despite the high level of reported rapes perpetrated by current or ex-partners, there were few among convicted cases.


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    #131
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    mandysmithers wrote: »
    I know this has been pointed out, and you've given your reason for posting it, but I think it was an absolutely disgusting remark. If you had said something along the lines of 'the police aren't taking it seriously because she's usually so full of crap', then I would see where you're coming from. The way you chose to approach it is sickening, and highlights everything that makes it so difficult for rape victims to come forward.

    Even though you meant it light-heartedly, I don't see anything light-hearted in what you posted.

    http://www.drcc.ie/report/rapevic.pdf
    Reporting of rape
    Studies conducted in many different jurisdictions show that rape is consistently
    under-reported. Although all the women interviewed in this
    study reported to the police (this was one of the criteria for participation
    in the study), almost two-thirds (65%) of them had doubts about
    reporting, mainly due to the fear of being disbelieved by the police.


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    #132
    TobyZiegler
    Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭TobyZiegler


    mandysmithers wrote: »
    I know this has been pointed out, and you've given your reason for posting it, but I think it was an absolutely disgusting remark. If you had said something along the lines of 'the police aren't taking it seriously because she's usually so full of crap', then I would see where you're coming from. The way you chose to approach it is sickening, and highlights everything that makes it so difficult for rape victims to come forward.

    Even though you meant it light-heartedly, I don't see anything light-hearted in what you posted.

    Jesus I think Pika gets it guys. It was a JOKE. Its sometimes very difficult to tell which way a thread will go in AH - will people take the absolute piss or discuss the matter seriuosly.

    Considering the topic is Katie Price - humour would of course be expected. She is a complete twat after all.


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    #133
    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    TobyZiegler wrote: »
    Jesus I think Pika gets it guys. It was a JOKE. Its sometimes very difficult to tell which way a thread will go in AH - will people take the absolute piss or discuss the matter seriuosly.

    Considering the topic is Katie Price - humour would of course be expected. She is a complete twat after all.
    The topic is ALSO rape, which is why we dont think its a joking matter!

    If it was Jordan sat on a bar stool and slid right down it, hurting herself, it would be acceptable to make jokes. But not rape.


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    #134
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Nobody joked about rape in the thread. They joked about Jordan

    Seriously, sometimes I wonder about people's sense of judgment here

    Nobody once said she deserved it or argued that rape isn't a serious thing

    Get some perspective ffs.. the amount of jokes about Fritzl on boards and nobody bats an eyelid at them


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    #135
    TobyZiegler
    Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭TobyZiegler


    Kiera wrote: »
    The topic is ALSO rape, which is why we dont think its a joking matter!

    If it was Jordan sat on a bar stool and slid right down it, hurting herself, it would be acceptable to make jokes. But not rape.

    Yeah of course you are right and the only point I am making is that AH threads go all sorts of ways - I have seen people take the piss of the bizzare ways people have died too along with many other things. The whole argument is being dragged off topic now over a joke and I think she has been told enough times now that it wasnt appropriate!


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    #136
    Jesus Juice
    Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Jesus Juice


    If shes not gonna name who it is,the question is why did she bring it up in the first place?
    Perhaps her and Kerry Katona are in How Low Can You Go competition?


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    #137
    MikeC101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    this country has the worse reporting of rape and sexual assault in Europe.
    Thaedydal wrote: »
    You know I could make a suggestions where you can "file" all your posts :p

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0430/1224245683770.html

    This doesn't back up the claim that Ireland has the worst rate of reporting of rape and sexual assault in Europe though. It says we have one of the lowest rates in convictions out of 11 countries in Europe that took part in the study. The country with the lowest rate of convictions is Belgium.

    It also says we have the highest number of reported rapes that were false allegations in the study.

    This may be compounded by the amount of cases that alcohol is a factor, which seems very high to me (88 per cent of Irish cases the alleged perpetrators had taken alcohol and so had 84 per cent of the victims) which seems to lead to a lot of cases being dropped.


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    #138
    mandysmithers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭mandysmithers


    TobyZiegler wrote: »
    Jesus I think Pika gets it guys. It was a JOKE. Its sometimes very difficult to tell which way a thread will go in AH - will people take the absolute piss or discuss the matter seriuosly.

    Considering the topic is Katie Price - humour would of course be expected. She is a complete twat after all.

    Just because it was a joke, it doesn't mean that I think it was any less disgusting. Make fun of Jordan/Katie Price all you want, she's a fool, but the comment I was referring to - 'joke' or not - was undermining every rape victim, whether Pikachucheeks meant it or not.


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    #139
    wudangclan
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    pedo-bear for some,minature american flags for others.


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    #140
    Numina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Numina


    wudangclan wrote: »
    pedo-bear for some,minature american flags for others.

    This is a great example of someone trying to be funny and failing tragically.


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    #141
    Occam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Occam


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    this country has the worse reporting of rape and sexual assault in Europe.</p>
    Occam wrote: »
    Care to back this wild claim up? Or can we file it with the inaccurate statistics you posted regarding sexual assault on another thread?
    Thaedydal wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0430/1224245683770.html
    An interesting article, but nowhere does it support your wild claim. How can you expect people to take your point seriously when you are making things up?


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    #142
    pikachucheeks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    mandysmithers wrote: »
    I know this has been pointed out, and you've given your reason for posting it, but I think it was an absolutely disgusting remark. If you had said something along the lines of 'the police aren't taking it seriously because she's usually so full of crap', then I would see where you're coming from. The way you chose to approach it is sickening, and highlights everything that makes it so difficult for rape victims to come forward.

    Even though you meant it light-heartedly, I don't see anything light-hearted in what you posted.

    I don't actually believe that Jordan's full of crap though. I actually think she's a very smart individual ; She's made a fortune by using her body to her advantage and by courting the press. While it's not something I'd personally do, kudos to her for being able to manipulate the press and use them to her great advantage.

    I wouldn't call anyone who's been raped a slapper. I called Jordan a slapper because that's very much how the majority of people perceive her ; as a media whore who enjoys being all over the papers, and all over men.

    Perhaps the 'real' Jordan isn't really like that, but that's the image the media often portrays of her - and as I've said before in this thread, the media is a very powerful tool. The print media can - and do - fabricate and spin complete lies to sell stories. A lot of people at home reading these papers believe them because they don't know - or question - the real truth.

    I'll repeat again that if Jordan was raped - I feel sorry for her and I hope she gets help. I'd wish that for any victim of an attack - or of any sort of trama.

    However, I think it was an error on her part to discuss the attack at the time of her divorce, as the timing will make people - including the media she spoke to - doubt the likelihood of her story being true.


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    #143
    wudangclan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    Numina wrote: »
    This is a great example of someone trying to be funny and failing tragically.

    except i wasn't trying to be funny.
    it was a nod to the double standards inherent here on AH in that humour and ridicule are permitted pertaining to some tragic subjects.


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    #144
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Occam wrote: »
    An interesting article, but nowhere does it support your wild claim. How can you expect people to take your point seriously when you are making things up?

    I've been looking for the reports which the statics when I do find them I will link to them.


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    #145
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,887 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I've been looking for the reports which the statics when I do find them I will link to them.




    well i think if this
    It says we have one of the lowest rates in convictions out of 11 countries in Europe that took part in the study.

    then
    this country has the worse reporting of rape and sexual assault in Europe

    is likely true; i'd imagine the worse the conviction rate, the less likely people are to decide to report it

    I've also seen a suggestion that most rapes happen with someone you know or where lots of alcohol or other substances are involved...both of which are likely to reduce the amount of people who decide to report it.


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    #146
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Dunno if anyone else has posted this, but I heard today that she has a f**kin autobiography coming out. There's the reason why this has come out......nothing like a bit of publicity to push her book.

    F**kin MUPPET.


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    #147
    MikeC101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    Riskymove wrote: »
    i'd imagine the worse the conviction rate, the less likely people are to decide to report it

    By this reasoning (and bearing in mind the study only refers to 11 countries), wouldn't Belgium, with the lowest convicton rate, be more likely to be the country with the worst rate of reporting rape?


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    #148
    Biggins
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    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/99240/-I-DID-NOT-RAPE-KATE-/
    (This one mentions a name but I won't state it here for board legal reasons)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213852/Police-speak-Katie-Price-rape-claim-blurts-celebrity-attacker-TV-crew.html

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/96916

    I honestly don't know what to think!
    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    Dunno if anyone else has posted this, but I heard today that she has a f**kin autobiography coming out.

    Yes, her fourth one.
    The previous three by the way never included anything about rape.


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    #149
    The Big Red Button
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭The Big Red Button


    Biggins wrote: »
    I honestly don't know what to think!

    I know what to think.

    I.

    Don't.

    Care.


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    #150
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/99240/-I-DID-NOT-RAPE-KATE-/
    (This one mentions a name but I won't state it here for board legal reasons)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213852/Police-speak-Katie-Price-rape-claim-blurts-celebrity-attacker-TV-crew.html

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/96916

    I honestly don't know what to think!



    Yes, her fourth one.
    The previous three by the way never included anything about rape.


    No f**kin way!!?? She must've been so off her face writing the other three that she kept forgetting stuff!!!??


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    #151
    Riddle101
    Registered Users Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/99240/-I-DID-NOT-RAPE-KATE-/
    (This one mentions a name but I won't state it here for board legal reasons)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213852/Police-speak-Katie-Price-rape-claim-blurts-celebrity-attacker-TV-crew.html

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/96916

    I honestly don't know what to think!



    Yes, her fourth one.
    The previous three by the way never included anything about rape.

    It looks like kate's biggest tool(The media) might end up her eventual downfall if she's found out to be making the rape claims up. Nonetheless, it's interesting that Warren Furman's name is being brought up now. This could lead to a who shot Mr Burns type scenario. Only this time Mr Burns knows who it was.


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