F-Class Novice Day

b52

Hi Lads,

Just got this. The NRAI are offering an novice day to the introduction of F-Class shooting. This is open to anyone who is interested in shooting F-Class.
Details as Follows:

One-to-one coaching from experienced F-Class shooters.
Technique, wind-reading, equitment and zeroing at different distances.

All shooters must have their own firearm and licence for their chosen firearm. Any calibar ranging from .223 up to .308 is acceptable.
Limited spaces are available on this course.
Members €20
Non-members €35

Date of course is the 27th of September.

Range briefing at 10am.

All enquires to JP Craven on 086 823 26 41 or email at jpcraven@eircom.net

bunnybuster

Hi b52 where is this taking place? and also could i go along just to watch and see how things are done?

bunny shooter

Mate of mine has a 204 ruger. he's waiting on a custom 308 could he attend with 204 ?

b52

Hi lads sorry about not giving you the information on the range.Its on in the Midlands at the National shooting centre.The NARI have the Windmill range booked for this course,the F-class shooters are giving their own time to help and assist those whom wish to take part.Not sure about the .204 but i will ask. The day will start with a briefing and then to the zero range and it is hoped to have everyone shooting by 11am. ......... more info as i get it.

b52

bunny shooter wrote: »

Mate of mine has a 204 ruger. he's waiting on a custom 308 could he attend with 204 ?

Meant to get back to you before now.
Regarding your friend with the .204, your friend is more than welcome to come along with his .204 and use it on the day. This day is designed to introduce novice shooters to F-Class.

bunny shooter

b52 wrote: »

Meant to get back to you before now.
Regarding your friend with the .204, your friend is more than welcome to come along with his .204 and use it on the day. This day is designed to introduce novice shooters to F-Class.

Will tell him the good news, Cheers

b52

Hi Lads,

Just to inform the shooters who are taking part in the F-Class Novice Day next Sunday.

Things to bring you:

30-40 rounds of ammunition
Ground sheet or shooting mat
Wet gear (This will take part on the outdoor ranges)
Bi-pod (If you don't have bi-pod for your rifle, you may use a front rest)
Pencil and notepad

Range time is 10am.

CG

ranger4

b52 wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Just to inform the shooters who are taking part in the F-Class Novice Day next Sunday.

Things to bring you:

30-40 rounds of ammunition
Ground sheet or shooting mat
Wet gear (This will take part on the outdoor ranges)
Bi-pod (If you don't have bi-pod for your rifle, you may use a front rest)
Pencil and notepad

Range time is 10am.

CG

Will there be shooting at 600-1200y for novice day f-class shooters.

derek_g34

b52 wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Just to inform the shooters who are taking part in the F-Class Novice Day next Sunday.

Things to bring you:

30-40 rounds of ammunition
Ground sheet or shooting mat
Wet gear (This will take part on the outdoor ranges)
Bi-pod (If you don't have bi-pod for your rifle, you may use a front rest)
Pencil and notepad

Range time is 10am.

CG

Any recommendations on what over the counter .308 ammo to bring?

b52

Hi Ranger. Sunday is just to give novice shooters a feel for long range f-class shooting. They will be shooting from 100m out to 500m for a start, this will let them see how their firearms and ammo are working at these distances. Other courses will then be provided for those who wish to find out more about this form of long range shooting.

b52

Hi Dereck. what ammo are you using at the moment? Most people would shoot anything from 140grain up to 175 grain so what ever you are using at the moment should do for the day.

derek_g34

To be honest, I haven't done that much with the .308. I've only put approx. 300 rounds through the rifle. I've found Remington UMC 150 grain pretty ok, buts thats only been out to 300 metres. What has me concerned it that the Remington website only shows trajectory for UMC out to 300 metres.

Cass

Hey b52, the father wants to go over Sunday and try his hand at the 600. You said there are limited places, could you tell me is there a pre registration or first come first served on the day. Cheers.

Derek, just curious what you are using rifle wise. A good over the counter .308 round (i find) is the Lapua 167gr Scenar. 100 yd zero = 0, 200yd = 5 clicks (from zero), 300yd = 12 clicks (from zero). This was with a Nightforce 12-42X56 and run through a Sako TRG22.

derek_g34

Hey Ezridax,

Sako TRG22 here also.

b52

Hi Derek.Dont worry about having only 300 rounds fired through your gun you will be helped right through the day so dont worry.

b52

Lads dont forget to bring your firearm cert for the the firearm you will be using on sunday and if your not a member bring your insurance with you also.

derek_g34

Will do

Cass

derek_g34 wrote: »

Hey Ezridax,

Sako TRG22 here also.

Try the 167gr Lapua. I know its expensive to "try" out ammo but for target work (bar custom loads) i think they run best. What scope are you using?

Rew

b52 wrote: »

Hi Ranger. Sunday is just to give novice shooters a feel for long range f-class shooting. They will be shooting from 100m out to 500m for a start, this will let them see how their firearms and ammo are working at these distances. Other courses will then be provided for those who wish to find out more about this form of long range shooting.

What .223 ammo are people using do you know?

derek_g34

ezridax wrote: »

Try the 167gr Lapua. I know its expensive to "try" out ammo but for target work (bar custom loads) i think they run best. What scope are you using?

Hey Eridax,

Unfortunately I couldn't put the same investment into the scope that I put into the rifle. This is what I'm using at the moment:

http://www.bushnell.com/products/scopes/riflescopes/elite4200/426245T/

clivej

derek_g34 wrote: »

Hey Eridax,

Unfortunately I couldn't put the same investment into the scope that I put into the rifle. This is what I'm using at the moment:

http://www.bushnell.com/products/scopes/riflescopes/elite4200/426245T/

A VERY good choice of scope IMO
I have two of those scopes. One is on my CZ Varmint .223 and the other is for target shooting with my soon to be Sako 75 in .308.
I have the Bushnell 3200 Elite 4-12x40 for the Sako for stalking.

Cass

I'm using this one myself http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/8-32x56___12-42x56/8-32x56___12-42x56.html but clivej has it right the bushnell is a great scope. I heard a few F-class shooters talking before and one said he is using a lesser powered scope. Don't understand it myself as i thought the closer you are (scope wise) to the target the better but then again these lads shoot every week and know more about it than me hence the reason i'm going Sunday. My only other problem is the pistol comp being run on the same day. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions,

clivej

ezridax wrote: »

I'm using this one myself http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/8-32x56___12-42x56/8-32x56___12-42x56.html but clivej has it right the bushnell is a great scope. I heard a few F-class shooters talking before and one said he is using a lesser powered scope. Don't understand it myself as i thought the closer you are (scope wise) to the target the better but then again these lads shoot every week and know more about it than me hence the reason i'm going Sunday. My only other problem is the pistol comp being run on the same day. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions,

I think the reason is that as the mag goes higher the image that you view gets smaller. The ideal image size is said to be 7mm as this is the maximum the the iris can see when fully open.
To find out what the image size on a scope is divide the objective lens by the mag size.

objective = 50/mag = 7 = 50/7=7.14mm image size.
So the higher the mag the less the image size

objective lens = 50 / mag = 40 = 50/40 = 1.25mm image size and that's small to see. So with a small er mag you may see a smaller target but you can see it better.

Cass

Are you sure you're not running that course on Sunday clive.:D

Good explanation.


I see you are having the same problem as me. Multiple posts. As you try to post, it comes up as network server error, but when you finally get it posted you see all your other attempts have actually posted. I've had to delete a few duplicates myself.

derek_g34

Before I had a scope to put on the TRG, I was using the fixed "emergency sights" out to about 130 metres. I couldn't believe the grouping, some of the rounds were touching. This was on a A3 size target that I could hardly see when I looked through the aperture. I reckon that magnification isn't everything. As I said, i've only used the rifle out to 300 metres. I'd love to lash the fixed sight back on to it to see what they could do at 300 or even 600 metres (with a target the size of a barn door:D)

As for the competition, I'm throwing the 9mm in the boot just in case I get a chance to leg it around to the pistol range

Cass

Originally Posted by derek_g34

As for the competition, I'm throwing the 9mm in the boot just in case I get a chance to leg it around to the pistol range

Now you're thinking the way i am.:D

I'd love to lash the fixed sight back on to it to see what they could do at 300 or even 600 metres (with a target the size of a barn door.......

Would like to give that a bash myself. Don't have iron sights myself but have been watching more and more lads shooting .22lr, centrefire etc with open sights. Haven't done it myself in about 10 years but its gaining momentum and (money allowing) i'm considering investing in a set of open sights. First things first though, need to be able to shoot with a scope first

It wasn't me!

derek_g34 wrote: »

Before I had a scope to put on the TRG, I was using the fixed "emergency sights" out to about 130 metres. I couldn't believe the grouping, some of the rounds were touching. This was on a A3 size target that I could hardly see when I looked through the aperture. I reckon that magnification isn't everything. As I said, i've only used the rifle out to 300 metres. I'd love to lash the fixed sight back on to it to see what they could do at 300 or even 600 metres (with a target the size of a barn door:D)

As for the competition, I'm throwing the 9mm in the boot just in case I get a chance to leg it around to the pistol range

ezridax wrote: »

Now you're thinking the way i am.:D



Would like to give that a bash myself. Don't have iron sights myself but have been watching more and more lads shooting .22lr, centrefire etc with open sights. Haven't done it myself in about 10 years but its gaining momentum and (money allowing) i'm considering investing in a set of open sights. First things first though, need to be able to shoot with a scope first

Next time I'm in Midlands, I'll give you both an ISSF 300m target to shoot at. The TRG is basically a standard rifle stock, so you'd be at no disadvantage. A decent set of aperture sights and you'd be flying at 300m. Even basic open sights are very accurate.

Cass

Ill take you up on that IWM. Thanks

derek_g34

ezridax wrote: »

Ill take you up on that IWM. Thanks

+1

Mr Flibble

ezridax wrote: »

Would like to give that a bash myself. Don't have iron sights myself but have been watching more and more lads shooting .22lr, centrefire etc with open sights. Haven't done it myself in about 10 years but its gaining momentum and (money allowing) i'm considering investing in a set of open sights. First things first though, need to be able to shoot with a scope first

If you can manage it, and I know they often seem expensive for what they are, try aperture ("peep") sights. Much better than open sights for any kind of precision shooting.

Sparks

Mr Flibble wrote: »

If you can manage it, and I know they often seem expensive for what they are, try aperture ("peep") sights. Much better than open sights for any kind of precision shooting.

Stick the word "rifle" in there instead of "any kind" and I'll agree with you