F-Class Novice Day

b52

Hi Lads,

Just got this. The NRAI are offering an novice day to the introduction of F-Class shooting. This is open to anyone who is interested in shooting F-Class.
Details as Follows:

One-to-one coaching from experienced F-Class shooters.
Technique, wind-reading, equitment and zeroing at different distances.

All shooters must have their own firearm and licence for their chosen firearm. Any calibar ranging from .223 up to .308 is acceptable.
Limited spaces are available on this course.
Members €20
Non-members €35

Date of course is the 27th of September.

Range briefing at 10am.

All enquires to JP Craven on 086 823 26 41 or email at jpcraven@eircom.net

bunnybuster

Hi b52 where is this taking place? and also could i go along just to watch and see how things are done?

bunny shooter

Mate of mine has a 204 ruger. he's waiting on a custom 308 could he attend with 204 ?

b52

Hi lads sorry about not giving you the information on the range.Its on in the Midlands at the National shooting centre.The NARI have the Windmill range booked for this course,the F-class shooters are giving their own time to help and assist those whom wish to take part.Not sure about the .204 but i will ask. The day will start with a briefing and then to the zero range and it is hoped to have everyone shooting by 11am. ......... more info as i get it.

b52

bunny shooter wrote: »

Mate of mine has a 204 ruger. he's waiting on a custom 308 could he attend with 204 ?

Meant to get back to you before now.
Regarding your friend with the .204, your friend is more than welcome to come along with his .204 and use it on the day. This day is designed to introduce novice shooters to F-Class.

bunny shooter

b52 wrote: »

Meant to get back to you before now.
Regarding your friend with the .204, your friend is more than welcome to come along with his .204 and use it on the day. This day is designed to introduce novice shooters to F-Class.

Will tell him the good news, Cheers

b52

Hi Lads,

Just to inform the shooters who are taking part in the F-Class Novice Day next Sunday.

Things to bring you:

30-40 rounds of ammunition
Ground sheet or shooting mat
Wet gear (This will take part on the outdoor ranges)
Bi-pod (If you don't have bi-pod for your rifle, you may use a front rest)
Pencil and notepad

Range time is 10am.

CG

ranger4

b52 wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Just to inform the shooters who are taking part in the F-Class Novice Day next Sunday.

Things to bring you:

30-40 rounds of ammunition
Ground sheet or shooting mat
Wet gear (This will take part on the outdoor ranges)
Bi-pod (If you don't have bi-pod for your rifle, you may use a front rest)
Pencil and notepad

Range time is 10am.

CG

Will there be shooting at 600-1200y for novice day f-class shooters.

derek_g34

b52 wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Just to inform the shooters who are taking part in the F-Class Novice Day next Sunday.

Things to bring you:

30-40 rounds of ammunition
Ground sheet or shooting mat
Wet gear (This will take part on the outdoor ranges)
Bi-pod (If you don't have bi-pod for your rifle, you may use a front rest)
Pencil and notepad

Range time is 10am.

CG

Any recommendations on what over the counter .308 ammo to bring?

b52

Hi Ranger. Sunday is just to give novice shooters a feel for long range f-class shooting. They will be shooting from 100m out to 500m for a start, this will let them see how their firearms and ammo are working at these distances. Other courses will then be provided for those who wish to find out more about this form of long range shooting.

b52

Hi Dereck. what ammo are you using at the moment? Most people would shoot anything from 140grain up to 175 grain so what ever you are using at the moment should do for the day.

derek_g34

To be honest, I haven't done that much with the .308. I've only put approx. 300 rounds through the rifle. I've found Remington UMC 150 grain pretty ok, buts thats only been out to 300 metres. What has me concerned it that the Remington website only shows trajectory for UMC out to 300 metres.

Cass

Hey b52, the father wants to go over Sunday and try his hand at the 600. You said there are limited places, could you tell me is there a pre registration or first come first served on the day. Cheers.

Derek, just curious what you are using rifle wise. A good over the counter .308 round (i find) is the Lapua 167gr Scenar. 100 yd zero = 0, 200yd = 5 clicks (from zero), 300yd = 12 clicks (from zero). This was with a Nightforce 12-42X56 and run through a Sako TRG22.

derek_g34

Hey Ezridax,

Sako TRG22 here also.

b52

Hi Derek.Dont worry about having only 300 rounds fired through your gun you will be helped right through the day so dont worry.

b52

Lads dont forget to bring your firearm cert for the the firearm you will be using on sunday and if your not a member bring your insurance with you also.

derek_g34

Will do

Cass

derek_g34 wrote: »

Hey Ezridax,

Sako TRG22 here also.

Try the 167gr Lapua. I know its expensive to "try" out ammo but for target work (bar custom loads) i think they run best. What scope are you using?

Rew

b52 wrote: »

Hi Ranger. Sunday is just to give novice shooters a feel for long range f-class shooting. They will be shooting from 100m out to 500m for a start, this will let them see how their firearms and ammo are working at these distances. Other courses will then be provided for those who wish to find out more about this form of long range shooting.

What .223 ammo are people using do you know?

derek_g34

ezridax wrote: »

Try the 167gr Lapua. I know its expensive to "try" out ammo but for target work (bar custom loads) i think they run best. What scope are you using?

Hey Eridax,

Unfortunately I couldn't put the same investment into the scope that I put into the rifle. This is what I'm using at the moment:

http://www.bushnell.com/products/scopes/riflescopes/elite4200/426245T/

clivej

derek_g34 wrote: »

Hey Eridax,

Unfortunately I couldn't put the same investment into the scope that I put into the rifle. This is what I'm using at the moment:

http://www.bushnell.com/products/scopes/riflescopes/elite4200/426245T/

A VERY good choice of scope IMO
I have two of those scopes. One is on my CZ Varmint .223 and the other is for target shooting with my soon to be Sako 75 in .308.
I have the Bushnell 3200 Elite 4-12x40 for the Sako for stalking.

Cass

I'm using this one myself http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/8-32x56___12-42x56/8-32x56___12-42x56.html but clivej has it right the bushnell is a great scope. I heard a few F-class shooters talking before and one said he is using a lesser powered scope. Don't understand it myself as i thought the closer you are (scope wise) to the target the better but then again these lads shoot every week and know more about it than me hence the reason i'm going Sunday. My only other problem is the pistol comp being run on the same day. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions,

clivej

ezridax wrote: »

I'm using this one myself http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/8-32x56___12-42x56/8-32x56___12-42x56.html but clivej has it right the bushnell is a great scope. I heard a few F-class shooters talking before and one said he is using a lesser powered scope. Don't understand it myself as i thought the closer you are (scope wise) to the target the better but then again these lads shoot every week and know more about it than me hence the reason i'm going Sunday. My only other problem is the pistol comp being run on the same day. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions,

I think the reason is that as the mag goes higher the image that you view gets smaller. The ideal image size is said to be 7mm as this is the maximum the the iris can see when fully open.
To find out what the image size on a scope is divide the objective lens by the mag size.

objective = 50/mag = 7 = 50/7=7.14mm image size.
So the higher the mag the less the image size

objective lens = 50 / mag = 40 = 50/40 = 1.25mm image size and that's small to see. So with a small er mag you may see a smaller target but you can see it better.

Cass

Are you sure you're not running that course on Sunday clive.:D

Good explanation.


I see you are having the same problem as me. Multiple posts. As you try to post, it comes up as network server error, but when you finally get it posted you see all your other attempts have actually posted. I've had to delete a few duplicates myself.

derek_g34

Before I had a scope to put on the TRG, I was using the fixed "emergency sights" out to about 130 metres. I couldn't believe the grouping, some of the rounds were touching. This was on a A3 size target that I could hardly see when I looked through the aperture. I reckon that magnification isn't everything. As I said, i've only used the rifle out to 300 metres. I'd love to lash the fixed sight back on to it to see what they could do at 300 or even 600 metres (with a target the size of a barn door:D)

As for the competition, I'm throwing the 9mm in the boot just in case I get a chance to leg it around to the pistol range

Cass

Originally Posted by derek_g34

As for the competition, I'm throwing the 9mm in the boot just in case I get a chance to leg it around to the pistol range

Now you're thinking the way i am.:D

I'd love to lash the fixed sight back on to it to see what they could do at 300 or even 600 metres (with a target the size of a barn door.......

Would like to give that a bash myself. Don't have iron sights myself but have been watching more and more lads shooting .22lr, centrefire etc with open sights. Haven't done it myself in about 10 years but its gaining momentum and (money allowing) i'm considering investing in a set of open sights. First things first though, need to be able to shoot with a scope first

It wasn't me!

derek_g34 wrote: »

Before I had a scope to put on the TRG, I was using the fixed "emergency sights" out to about 130 metres. I couldn't believe the grouping, some of the rounds were touching. This was on a A3 size target that I could hardly see when I looked through the aperture. I reckon that magnification isn't everything. As I said, i've only used the rifle out to 300 metres. I'd love to lash the fixed sight back on to it to see what they could do at 300 or even 600 metres (with a target the size of a barn door:D)

As for the competition, I'm throwing the 9mm in the boot just in case I get a chance to leg it around to the pistol range

ezridax wrote: »

Now you're thinking the way i am.:D



Would like to give that a bash myself. Don't have iron sights myself but have been watching more and more lads shooting .22lr, centrefire etc with open sights. Haven't done it myself in about 10 years but its gaining momentum and (money allowing) i'm considering investing in a set of open sights. First things first though, need to be able to shoot with a scope first

Next time I'm in Midlands, I'll give you both an ISSF 300m target to shoot at. The TRG is basically a standard rifle stock, so you'd be at no disadvantage. A decent set of aperture sights and you'd be flying at 300m. Even basic open sights are very accurate.

Cass

Ill take you up on that IWM. Thanks

derek_g34

ezridax wrote: »

Ill take you up on that IWM. Thanks

+1

Mr Flibble

ezridax wrote: »

Would like to give that a bash myself. Don't have iron sights myself but have been watching more and more lads shooting .22lr, centrefire etc with open sights. Haven't done it myself in about 10 years but its gaining momentum and (money allowing) i'm considering investing in a set of open sights. First things first though, need to be able to shoot with a scope first

If you can manage it, and I know they often seem expensive for what they are, try aperture ("peep") sights. Much better than open sights for any kind of precision shooting.

Sparks

Mr Flibble wrote: »

If you can manage it, and I know they often seem expensive for what they are, try aperture ("peep") sights. Much better than open sights for any kind of precision shooting.

Stick the word "rifle" in there instead of "any kind" and I'll agree with you

Cass

Mr Flibble wrote: »

If you can manage it, and I know they often seem expensive for what they are, try aperture ("peep") sights. Much better than open sights for any kind of precision shooting.

I've tried that on a .22lr the other day. Good fun and really lets you know how good your shooting is. Coming from someone that has only used a scope for the last 6-7 years and hasn't shot open or peep sights since then. It is easy to see why more lads are getting into it.

Cass

Could be cheating a bit but was over in the midlands re-zeroing the rifle and done a card each at the 100, 200 and 300 yd targets. 100 yds was fine with half inch or less. 4 rounds one hole. 200 yds not too bad. Less than 1 inch. 300 yds wasn't great. 1"-1.25" then a flyer. 1.5" out from edge of group. My fault. Didn't watch wind.

Anyway haven't shot 300 in a while and forgot how small things look at 300 so imagine they will look a hell of alot smaller at 600. Still, looking forward to it even more. BRING IT ON!!!!!!!:cool:

Mr Flibble

Sparks wrote: »

Stick the word "rifle" in there instead of "any kind" and I'll agree with you

Unnecessary. I was referring to absolute accuracy where precision of aiming is important. That excludes all shotgun and normal pistol shooting - by definition . For long-range pistol they'd still be more accurate - it's just that they're usually against the rules.

Sparks

Fibble, if you can actually use peep sights (and ghost ring sights don't count) on a pistol when the peep sight is a few feet from your eyeball, then you've got remarkable eyesight.

I mean, why else would you see pistols with open sights, red-dot sights and telescopic sights but never with peep sights?

Rew

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Mr Flibble

Rew wrote: »

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Fair point. I blame Sparks - he goaded me into going off topic.

For F-Class a good scope is essential, so forget about "peeps" for this weekend. I'm sure if anyone wants a go with them the T/R or ISSF folks would oblige separately.

bang

b52 wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Just got this. The NRAI are offering an novice day to the introduction of F-Class shooting. This is open to anyone who is interested in shooting F-Class.
Details as Follows:

One-to-one coaching from experienced F-Class shooters.
Technique, wind-reading, equitment and zeroing at different distances.

All shooters must have their own firearm and licence for their chosen firearm. Any calibar ranging from .223 up to .308 is acceptable.
Limited spaces are available on this course.
Members €20
Non-members €35

Date of course is the 27th of September.

Range briefing at 10am.

All enquires to JP Craven on 086 823 26 41 or email at jpcraven@eircom.net

I went to the novice F-Class today, very enjoyable,
there was 9 of us there good variety of rifles, mostly .308 calibre,
only my second time on a range so still a bit unsure of the protocol, the lads there could'nt have been more helpful.
We zeroed the rifles on the 100 yd range then split up and half of us went into the butt's and half back to the 600 yd firing point. we learned how to mark the scores from the butts .
after that it was our turn to shoot.
after a safety brief and chat we got down to shooting, for me shooting a CZ550 in .308 My Coach Joe recommended to dial in 16" inches , we were fairly lucky with the wind it was mostly from behind and slightly from the left.
My first shot hit the target (to my amazement) Joe dialled it a bit more and i was getting mainly 5's and 4's , at this time i was getting some wind coaching from Tom , very informative,as the wind got stronger even though i was trying to compensate my shots were getting blown out to 2's and 1's and a few misses.
after that we went back to the 25m range and they measured our 600yd on a target and recorded it so that when we go back we can check our 600 yd setup on the way in.
got to watch some Pistol shooting too. bonus.
overall a great day
we will be back
Thanks Guys
Bang

derek_g34

+1. What a great day. Thanks to all of the lads who gave up their day to give us a taste of F-Class shooting. Today was my first time to shoot at targets which were 600yds away.Its a serious buzz hitting v-bulls at that distance. Roll on 1000yds:D

Top of the agenda, new scope mounts so as I don't have to rely on the mildots. oh and yeah, a rear shooting bag.

Thanks again lads,

Derek

Cass

Didn't get to shoot as i was enthralled at the pistol comp, but did get to go over a watch the lads shooting later. Some nice rifles and it seems Sako TRGs won out the day. Must have been 4 or 5 of them. Ye all seemed to be enjoying the shooting and there was some good shooters on the day. Well done all.

b52

Well done to everyone who took part on Sunday. There will be more novice days like the one on Sunday coming up so if anyone missed out they can get the next one.they will be posted here on Boards and on the NRAI web site.

cg.