Minimum wage €1.84?

TheDublinMan · 03-09-2009 9:23pm #1

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

What do all the fine people of After Hours think of this.

Please no long-winded drivel laden replies from tinfoil hat lovers.

Kinetic^ · 03-09-2009 9:25pm

In communist Ireland, Lisbon treaty kills you!

mike65 · 03-09-2009 9:26pm

No The people who put that up are more barking than Mrs Barkings small Terrier that won the Worlds Most Barking Dog contest which by happy chance was held in Barking.

Ghost Train · 03-09-2009 9:26pm

Do you have any more info, whos posters are they?

ABEasy · 03-09-2009 9:26pm

How many cans of Dutch Gold would you get for €1.84

phasers · 03-09-2009 9:26pm

That would buy you 5 packets of midget gems with 9 cent left over

Irishpimpdude · 03-09-2009 9:27pm

Yes for lisbon lol sure the country is already ****ed.

Kinetic^ · 03-09-2009 9:28pm

What does Paul McAdam have to say about this????????

Chinafoot · 03-09-2009 9:28pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

Do you have any more info, whos posters are they?

Coir. Aka: Youth Defence. Scary, scary bunch of individuals.

Red Hand · 03-09-2009 9:31pm

These are strange times.

Last week, I heard tell of a man who's cow gave birth to a five legged calf that spoke in a foreign tongue. Signs such as the crucifix and dragons have been seen in the sky. The sun has been eclipsed by the moon and the moon by the sun. A snake that swallowed it's own tail. Men that have risen from their graves and resumed their lives as normal.

Strange times. This Lisbon Treaty will be the end of us. Thon anom dieul!

thomond2006 · 03-09-2009 9:31pm

Read Terry's sticky, OP.

SV · 03-09-2009 9:32pm

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon.

(but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 9:32pm

:mad::mad:Im sorry but im really angry about this Lisbon vote again, we voted no last time and now they rerun it until they get what they want, if we had voted yes would we have it again, not a chance in hell. I voted NO last time and ill vote NO this time, i wont be told my vote was no good last time and told to vote again:mad:.

ejmaztec · 03-09-2009 9:34pm

TheDublinMan wrote: »

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

What do all the fine people of After Hours think of this.

Please no long-winded drivel laden replies from tinfoil hat lovers.

At least we won't be paying tax or PRSI on this, so we can look on the bright side.

thomond2006 · 03-09-2009 9:34pm

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon. (but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

:rolleyes:

ejmaztec · 03-09-2009 9:35pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

:mad::mad:Im sorry but im really angry about this Lisbon vote again, we voted no last time and now they rerun it until they get what they want, if we had voted yes would we have it again, not a chance in hell. I voted NO last time and ill vote NO this time, i wont be told my vote was no good last time and told to vote again:mad:.

Sorry Jonjo, but your vote was no good.

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 9:37pm

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon. (but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

Why is boards pro Lisbon? i would of thought they would be netural. It seems all big buissness want the people to vote yes, they can screw themselves, want to drive down wages and do what they want and screw the workers, well Lisbon will be defeated again this time because us Irish people wont be taken for fools. I know of a few people who voted yes last time and now they are going to vote no because of the 2nd vote on this.

skelliser · 03-09-2009 9:38pm

they are coir posters.
the 1.84 is the average wage of the ascension states that joined a few years ago i.e. the eastern block countries.
Now a few years ago there was this court case called lavel, there has since been similiar ones. It was between workers and a company. The company wanted to bring in foreign workers and pay them the wage they where earning at home ie. this basically undermined the local employees wages.
The court sided with the company saying it was ok to do so cause it encouraged competition in the market.
This is where the adage "race to the bottom comes from"

now coir are saying/musing/arguing that this could happen here i.e. a company can bring in foreign workers say from eastern europe and pay them 1.84 an hour. Thus undermining our wage here.

the european court of justice ruled on this. As regards lisbon its pretty technical if this could happen, im not fully sure.

but thats the basic gist.

i dont support coir

Dankoozy · 03-09-2009 9:38pm

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon.

Boards is an annoying overzealous left-wing authoritarian pro-european 'everything by the letter of the law' facebook using militant atheist city dweller with an iPhone

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 9:38pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

Sorry Jonjo, but your vote was no good.

:mad: Gets my Pitch fork ready:P

almostnever · 03-09-2009 9:39pm

I love the question mark.
Because the fact that it's a blatant lie is "hidden" *COUGH* behind the question mark.
They could equally say "Unrepetant zombies roam streets of Dublin following ratification of the Lisbon Treaty?" and then be off the hook when it doesn't happen...because there's a question mark.
Still,the people behind this rely on donations. And people must actually give them money to waste. So,whatever.

MagicMarker · 03-09-2009 9:41pm

Can anyone post a link to this ''lisbon'' treaty, as I know sweet fúck all about it, and I intend to vote this time around, so better know wtf I'm doing.

Dankoozy · 03-09-2009 9:43pm

almostnever wrote: »

I love the question mark.
"Unrepetant zombies roam streets of Dublin following ratification of the Lsibon Treaty?"

if that is likely I'm voting yes. The zombies can have Dublin, if they stray outside the pale i'll get the chainsaw out

Biggins · 03-09-2009 9:43pm

skelliser wrote: »

...Now a few years ago there was this court case called lavel, there has since been similiar ones. It was between workers and a company. The company wanted to bring in foreign workers and pay them the wage they where earning at home ie. this basically undermined the local employees wages.
The court sided with the company saying it was ok to do so cause it encouraged competition in the market.
This is where the adage "race to the bottom comes from"

now coir are saying/musing/arguing that this could happen here i.e. a company can bring in foreign workers say from eastern europe and pay them 1.84 an hour. Thus undermining our wage here.

The European court of justice ruled on this...

Yep, that case was well reported on at the time and the workers lost their case against the company.
The ruling still stands and is seen by the big companies pushing us (by coincidence :rolleyes: ) to vote "Yes" - because as we all know, the big companies like Ryanair all have their staffs interest at heart. :rolleyes:

Its seen by many as a backdoor route to lowering wages to stupid levels.

TriciaDelicia · 03-09-2009 9:43pm

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon. (but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

How is it anti-Lisbon?

on another note was talking to the monster in-law yesterday so she's saying "I voted yes the last time, but this time I'm voting no because they didn't listen to me last time" :eek:I'm speechless suppressing the urge to bang her head off something, she carries on to tell me in a matter of a fact tone how "all our boys will be subscripted to a European super army"!!!!!

I'm hoping she is the only one with thoughts like this, anyone else been told crazy things by people supporting the Yes & No side?

Dankoozy · 03-09-2009 9:45pm

TriciaDelicia wrote: »

How is it anti-Lisbon?

on another note was talking to the monster in-law yesterday so she's saying "I voted yes the last time, but this time I'm voting no because they didn't listen to me last time" :eek:I'm speechless suppressing the urge to bang her head off something, she carries on to tell me in a matter of a fact tone how "all our boys will be subscripted to a European super army"!!!!!

I'm hoping she is the only one with thoughts like this, anyone else been told crazy things by people supporting the Yes & No side?

still this business with having every referendum twice is ridiculous. it would be worth voting no just to see Biffo try to run it a 3rd time. besides, it's only a ****ing lisbon treaty, i'm sure the Eurocrats will come up with some other treaty if they can't get this one past

mike65 · 03-09-2009 9:47pm

Its a self explaining idiotic claim anyway - who is going to work for €1.84 when you get a fiver per hour on the dole?

marco_polo · 03-09-2009 9:47pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

:mad::mad:Im sorry but im really angry about this Lisbon vote again, we voted no last time and now they rerun it until they get what they want, if we had voted yes would we have it again, not a chance in hell. I voted NO last time and ill vote NO this time, i wont be told my vote was no good last time and told to vote again:mad:.

In a democracy your vote is good every time.

murrayp4 · 03-09-2009 9:48pm

These posters are pretty sly. What they say is "Minimum wage €1.84?" vote No etc... notice the question mark. You can say any phrase with a question mark and get away with it, because it's a question, not a statement of fact. e.g. "Your Mother's a whore?...vote No".....not calling your mother a whore, just asking the question (who knows it may be true...:rolleyes:)

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 9:49pm

Biggins wrote: »

Yep, that case was well reported on at the time and the workers lost their case against the company.
The ruling still stands and is seen by the big companies pushing us (by coincidence :rolleyes: ) to vote "Yes" - because as we all know, the big companies like Ryanair all have their staffs interest at heart. :rolleyes:

Its seen by many as a backdoor route to lowering wages to stupid levels.

Yeah that sounds about right, we are bad enough here in Ireland at the moment with 430,000 Irish people on the dole and now they want to further undermind Irish workers wages:mad:. The same way as the Nice treaty where they told us that 20,000 at most Eastern European workers would come to Ireland, more like 400,000, that was okay when we had Jobs but now they want to allow companies employ people at there home country rates.

Dankoozy · 03-09-2009 9:50pm

mike65 wrote: »

Its a self explaining idiotic claim anyway - who is going to work for €1.84 when you get a fiver per hour on the dole?

i know i would. i'd be bored stiff on the dole

PrivateEye · 03-09-2009 9:52pm

There are plenty of valid reasons to vote No, Youth Defences homophobic, sexist, backwards Christian Agenda isn't one of them

An Fear Aniar · 03-09-2009 9:53pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can anyone post a link to this ''lisbon'' treaty, as I know sweet fúck all about it, and I intend to vote this time around, so better know wtf I'm doing.

There's no point reading it. Unless you vote YES your vote won't count.

.

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 9:53pm

TriciaDelicia wrote: »

How is it anti-Lisbon?

on another note was talking to the monster in-law yesterday so she's saying "I voted yes the last time, but this time I'm voting no because they didn't listen to me last time" :eek:I'm speechless suppressing the urge to bang her head off somethingquote]

Shes right she voted once and now they don accept her decision and want her to vote again, as i said i know so many people that voted Yes last time who will now vote no because of this.

procure11 · 03-09-2009 9:53pm

TheDublinMan wrote: »

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

What do all the fine people of After Hours think of this.

Please no long-winded drivel laden replies from tinfoil hat lovers.

OP...I have seen the adverts myself.While I think it is just scare-mongering but the NO campaigners are not alone on this especially when you consider statements from the Yes side about how Ireland would no longer be at the heart of Europe ( whatever that means) and how ungrateful we would be to vote No,if that was the case why let us vote in the first place if the only outcome they want is yes.

As regards the view that boards are pro-lisbon and want a Yes vote...( I doubt it)..but if that is true then that the various polls on boards would certainly be bad news!

I intend to cast my vote and I am making an informed decision to vote No to the treaty come October.

marco_polo · 03-09-2009 9:53pm

skelliser wrote: »

they are coir posters.
the 1.84 is the average wage of the ascension states that joined a few years ago i.e. the eastern block countries.
Now a few years ago there was this court case called lavel, there has since been similiar ones. It was between workers and a company. The company wanted to bring in foreign workers and pay them the wage they where earning at home ie. this basically undermined the local employees wages.
The court sided with the company saying it was ok to do so cause it encouraged competition in the market.
This is where the adage "race to the bottom comes from"

now coir are saying/musing/arguing that this could happen here i.e. a company can bring in foreign workers say from eastern europe and pay them 1.84 an hour. Thus undermining our wage here.

the european court of justice ruled on this. As regards lisbon its pretty technical if this could happen, im not fully sure.

but thats the basic gist.

i dont support coir

In fact the issue was that they could get away with paying the Swedish minimum wage rather than the rates as set out under local collective bargaining agreements as these were deemed not legally binding, not the Latvian minimum wage.

In essence the Swedish government screwed up the transposing of the EU Posting of Workers Directive into law.

One of the things our Unions want is for our Governement to re-transpose our law to tighten it up, and to make all collective agreements legallly binding. Such agreements are currently only the case if these are those lodged with the Labour court, such as is the case with all construction agreements.

Biggins · 03-09-2009 9:54pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yeah that sounds about right, we are bad enough here in Ireland at the moment with 430,000 Irish people on the dole and now they want to further undermind Irish workers wages:mad:. The same way as the Nice treaty where they told us that 20,000 at most Eastern European workers would come to Ireland, more like 400,000, that was okay when we had Jobs but now they want to allow companies employ people at there home country rates.

Yep, and the docile of Ireland will let the door be open for it to happen. The opposition can himm and haw all they want, attempting to make up excuses but the EU court ruling stands and as such is applicable in any subsequent state!

SV · 03-09-2009 9:57pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Can I help you?

j1smithy · 03-09-2009 10:00pm

Dankoozy wrote: »

still this business with having every referendum twice is ridiculous. it would be worth voting no just to see Biffo try to run it a 3rd time. besides, it's only a ****ing lisbon treaty, i'm sure the Eurocrats will come up with some other treaty if they can't get this one past

What an annoying word, why do people continue to use it???

Dankoozy · 03-09-2009 10:01pm

j1smithy wrote: »

What an annoying word, why do people continue to use it???

what should I call them instead? European Overloards, dickwads?

An Fear Aniar · 03-09-2009 10:02pm

j1smithy wrote: »

What an annoying word, why do people continue to use it???

What word? Do you mean "NO"?

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Ghost Train · 03-09-2009 10:03pm

three options

vote yes
vote no
or don't vote.... but all the kittens will die

Rebelheart · 03-09-2009 10:07pm

TheDublinMan wrote: »

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

Saw these Cóir posters around Phibsboro in the past week. Unbelievable that these people make such unsupported claims to us. Talk about offensive to our collective intelligence.

Where are their faces? Richard Greene apparently is the head guy of this shady organisation. Who is he? Any names and backgrounds of the other people? "Youth Defence" is a bit vague.

Pathetic tactics at any rate.

03-09-2009 10:07pm

This Lisbon thing, is curious.

The government should jet us all over there and let us check the place out,
I have never been there, and I would hate to say "NO" when I don't know what I am talking about, just like now.

I'm I making "Sense"?

Rebelheart · 03-09-2009 10:08pm

In contrast to these patronising Cóir scumbags, Anthony Coughlan for the 'No' side made a strong case this evening that Lisbon was leading to a large transfer of sovereignty from the smaller EU states to the larger ones.

As somebody who will vote 'Yes' this time, that does concern me greatly.

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 10:10pm

Rebelheart wrote: »

Where are their faces? Richard Greene apparently is the head guy of this shady organisation. Who is he? Any names and backgrounds of the other people? "Youth Defence" is a bit vague.

Pathetic tactics at any rate.

No Pathetic tactics is when the people vote no and they are not respected and forced to vote again.

utick · 03-09-2009 10:10pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

three options

vote yes
vote no
or don't vote.... but all the kittens will die

3 options

vote yes
vote no ( must explain your reason for voting no, in 50 words or more for vote to be valid)

or dont vote

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2009 10:14pm

utick wrote: »

3 options

vote no ( must explain your reason for voting no, in 50 words or more for vote to be valid)

Who the hell do you think you are. People dont have to explain why they will vote no.

marco_polo · 03-09-2009 10:18pm

Rebelheart wrote: »

In contrast to these patronising Cóir scumbags, Anthony Coughlan for the 'No' side made a strong case this evening that Lisbon was leading to a large transfer of sovereignty from the smaller EU states to the larger ones.

As somebody who will vote 'Yes' this time, that does concern me greatly.

Is this the Anthony Coughlan who has claimed that every single EU treaty would introduce abortion, and has produced a list of 13 facts on Lisbon that are all completely incorrect?

thomond2006 · 03-09-2009 10:19pm

mike65 wrote: »

No The people who put that up are more barking than Mrs Barkings small Terrier that won the Worlds Most Barking Dog contest which by happy chance was held in Barking.

Woof?

pigeonbutler · 03-09-2009 10:20pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

No Pathetic tactics is when the people vote no and they are not respected and forced to vote again.

So we shouldn't have Divorce in Ireland since that required a second referendum in order to pass? :rolleyes:

Minimum wage €1.84?

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