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ArmaniJeanss

Sam Vimes wrote: »

The thing is that I care about this country and I don't want to see it damaged. If significant numbers had valid objections to specific parts of the treaty we could go back to Europe and get it renegotiated and there would be no problem but masses of people sticking two fingers up at an organisation that has helped us as much as the EU has for no good reason can do nothing but damage the country. Saying "NO MEANS NO" is only valid if we had a good reason to say no in the first place but most of us just didn't understand it and that's not a good reason to reject it. It's a reason to give us more time to learn about it and ask us again once we know what it's all about, which is exactly what happened.

Sam, first rule of message boards.. if the other guy has no interest in (or isn't capable of) actual debate, then don't bother.

panda100

Sam Vimes wrote: »

No to what part? You can't legitimately object to every word of a 277 page document, there must have been some part that stood out to you that made you say no. It's not good enough to stand there stamping your feet and complain that you're not being listened to, you have to say very clearly why you voted no so the people who are proposing the treaty can know what would be needed to satisfy you. If all you're saying is "NO MEANS NO", there's nothing to listen to.

If he wants to Vote No because he feels his first vote was ignored and know as a result feels disenfranchised as a part of the voting electorate then why shouldn't he vote No again ?

If we do indeed live in a democracy then people can vote whatever way they want for whatever reason they want.
Both those who voted Yes and No had a variety of reasons for voting the way they did.
I think its abhorrent to tell someone to stay at home on voting day and only allow those who are supposedly 'intellectually superior' enough to understand the treaty, decide for you.....Yeah thats what a forefathers fought for alright.......

Sam Vimes

panda100 wrote: »

If he wants to Vote No because he feels his first vote was ignored and know as a result feels disenfranchised as a part of the voting electorate then why shouldn't he vote No again ?

Because it's a stupid reason that will damage the country. The first vote wasn't ignored, if it was the treaty would currently be ratified. We were asked why we voted no and we overwhelmingly said we didn't understand it. Now we've had two years to understand it so why should we hold to that position? The treaty might be the same but the biggest reason by far for rejection is no longer valid.

panda100 wrote: »

If we do indeed live in a democracy then people can vote whatever way they want for whatever reason they want.
Both those who voted Yes and No had a variety of reasons for voting the way they did.
I think its abhorrent to tell someone to stay at home on voting day and only allow those who are supposedly 'intellectually superior' enough to understand the treaty, to you decide for you.....Yeah thats what a forefathers fought for alright.......

You see it's not that I'm assuming that I'm "intellectually superior", it's that he has amply shown that he doesn't have a clue what the treaty is about and if we vote no again and surveys show, again, that we rejected it for ridiculous, irrelevant and petty reasons, Ireland will be damaged.

Johnnnybravo

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Because it's a stupid reason that will damage the country. The first vote wasn't ignored, if it was the treaty would currently be ratified. We were asked why we voted no and we overwhelmingly said we didn't understand it. Now we've had two years to understand it so why should we hold to that position? The treaty might be the same but the biggest reason by far for rejection is no longer valid.



You see it's not that I'm assuming that I'm "intellectually superior", it's that he has amply shown that he doesn't have a clue what the treaty is about and if we vote no again and surveys show, again, that we rejected it for ridiculous, irrelevant and petty reasons, Ireland will be damaged.

Sam vines dont you dare say my reasons are stupid for my vote. FFS I didnt open my mouth about the reasons behind your vote so keep your bloody judgmental sanctimonial views about me to yourself!!

Why am I voting no??? BecaUSE i DONT WANT to be part of this super europe thats why ok, I dont believe in many of the directives in other countries and do not want them forced onto people in this country!! And dont you dare say I have no clue what the treatys about, Ive seen your early posts and thats why I didnt bother telling you my reasons,you think your above people voting NO that your voting yes because you have some great understanding of the treaty. Kindly keep your ignorant assumptions about why Im voting NO to yourself. Maybe youve bullied a few others with your supposedly superior understanding but to me your nothing but an ignorant wanna be bully.

Johnnnybravo

And Sam as for the "we" in all your posts...........are you now spokespserson for the people of Ireland??? Thats a "we" I want nothing to do with, Id rather lick piss off a nettle than be associated with any opinion you have.

carlop

I'm voting no because...because...'DEY TUK OUR JOBS'

Sam Vimes

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

Sam vines

My name is Vimes, not Vines.

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

dont you dare say my reasons are stupid for my vote. FFS I didnt open my mouth about the reasons behind your vote so keep your bloody judgmental sanctimonial views about me to yourself!!

I didn't say that your reason was stupid as a retaliation to you saying mine are, I said your reason is stupid because it is. My reasons are irrelevant to the validity or lack thereof of yours.

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

And dont you dare say I have no clue what the treatys about, Ive seen your early posts and thats why I didnt bother telling you my reasons,you think your above people voting NO that your voting yes because you have some great understanding of the treaty. Kindly keep your ignorant assumptions about why Im voting NO to yourself. Maybe youve bullied a few others with your supposedly superior understanding but to me your nothing but an ignorant wanna be bully.

I don't think I am above no voters, I find many of the reasons given by no voters to be irrelevant and damaging to the country. I've tried explaining calmly and politely but for the most part they don't want to hear a reasonable voice so I've got a bit pissed off with the whole thing tbh

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

Why am I voting no??? BecaUSE i DONT WANT to be part of this super europe thats why ok, I dont believe in many of the directives in other countries and do not want them forced onto people in this country!!

Now that's a good reason. Why didn't you say that in the first place?

Johnnnybravo

Sam Vimes wrote: »

My name is Vimes, not Vines.


I didn't say that your reason was stupid as a retaliation to you saying mine are, I said your reason is stupid because it is. My reasons are irrelevant to the validity or lack thereof of yours.


I don't think I am above no voters, I find many of the reasons given by no voters to be irrelevant and damaging to the country. I've tried explaining calmly and politely but for the most part they don't want to hear a reasonable voice so I've got a bit pissed off with the whole thing tbh


Now that's a good reason. Why didn't you say that in the first place?

For the same reason Im not voting yes Mr vines, I didnt feel like it.

dr.bollocko

Johnny bravo banned for abuse.

javaboy

Political threads go in the politics forum and subforums.

dr.bollocko

javaboy wrote: »

Political threads go in the politics forum and subforums.

Oh yeah.
That too.
/shakes fist.