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Minimum wage €1.84?

TheDublinMan

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

What do all the fine people of After Hours think of this.

Please no long-winded drivel laden replies from tinfoil hat lovers.

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Ghost Train

three options

vote yes
vote no
or don't vote.... but all the kittens will die

An Fear Aniar

j1smithy wrote: »

What an annoying word, why do people continue to use it???

What word? Do you mean "NO"?

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Dankoozy

j1smithy wrote: »

What an annoying word, why do people continue to use it???

what should I call them instead? European Overloards, dickwads?

j1smithy

Dankoozy wrote: »

still this business with having every referendum twice is ridiculous. it would be worth voting no just to see Biffo try to run it a 3rd time. besides, it's only a ****ing lisbon treaty, i'm sure the Eurocrats will come up with some other treaty if they can't get this one past

What an annoying word, why do people continue to use it???

thomond2006 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Can I help you?

Biggins

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yeah that sounds about right, we are bad enough here in Ireland at the moment with 430,000 Irish people on the dole and now they want to further undermind Irish workers wages:mad:. The same way as the Nice treaty where they told us that 20,000 at most Eastern European workers would come to Ireland, more like 400,000, that was okay when we had Jobs but now they want to allow companies employ people at there home country rates.

Yep, and the docile of Ireland will let the door be open for it to happen. The opposition can himm and haw all they want, attempting to make up excuses but the EU court ruling stands and as such is applicable in any subsequent state!

marco_polo

skelliser wrote: »

they are coir posters.
the 1.84 is the average wage of the ascension states that joined a few years ago i.e. the eastern block countries.
Now a few years ago there was this court case called lavel, there has since been similiar ones. It was between workers and a company. The company wanted to bring in foreign workers and pay them the wage they where earning at home ie. this basically undermined the local employees wages.
The court sided with the company saying it was ok to do so cause it encouraged competition in the market.
This is where the adage "race to the bottom comes from"

now coir are saying/musing/arguing that this could happen here i.e. a company can bring in foreign workers say from eastern europe and pay them 1.84 an hour. Thus undermining our wage here.

the european court of justice ruled on this. As regards lisbon its pretty technical if this could happen, im not fully sure.

but thats the basic gist.

i dont support coir

In fact the issue was that they could get away with paying the Swedish minimum wage rather than the rates as set out under local collective bargaining agreements as these were deemed not legally binding, not the Latvian minimum wage.

In essence the Swedish government screwed up the transposing of the EU Posting of Workers Directive into law.

One of the things our Unions want is for our Governement to re-transpose our law to tighten it up, and to make all collective agreements legallly binding. Such agreements are currently only the case if these are those lodged with the Labour court, such as is the case with all construction agreements.

procure11

TheDublinMan wrote: »

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

What do all the fine people of After Hours think of this.

Please no long-winded drivel laden replies from tinfoil hat lovers.

OP...I have seen the adverts myself.While I think it is just scare-mongering but the NO campaigners are not alone on this especially when you consider statements from the Yes side about how Ireland would no longer be at the heart of Europe ( whatever that means) and how ungrateful we would be to vote No,if that was the case why let us vote in the first place if the only outcome they want is yes.

As regards the view that boards are pro-lisbon and want a Yes vote...( I doubt it)..but if that is true then that the various polls on boards would certainly be bad news!

I intend to cast my vote and I am making an informed decision to vote No to the treaty come October.

JONJO THE MISER

TriciaDelicia wrote: »

How is it anti-Lisbon?

on another note was talking to the monster in-law yesterday so she's saying "I voted yes the last time, but this time I'm voting no because they didn't listen to me last time" :eek:I'm speechless suppressing the urge to bang her head off somethingquote]

Shes right she voted once and now they don accept her decision and want her to vote again, as i said i know so many people that voted Yes last time who will now vote no because of this.

An Fear Aniar

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can anyone post a link to this ''lisbon'' treaty, as I know sweet fúck all about it, and I intend to vote this time around, so better know wtf I'm doing.

There's no point reading it. Unless you vote YES your vote won't count.

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PrivateEye

There are plenty of valid reasons to vote No, Youth Defences homophobic, sexist, backwards Christian Agenda isn't one of them

Dankoozy

mike65 wrote: »

Its a self explaining idiotic claim anyway - who is going to work for €1.84 when you get a fiver per hour on the dole?

i know i would. i'd be bored stiff on the dole

JONJO THE MISER

Biggins wrote: »

Yep, that case was well reported on at the time and the workers lost their case against the company.
The ruling still stands and is seen by the big companies pushing us (by coincidence :rolleyes: ) to vote "Yes" - because as we all know, the big companies like Ryanair all have their staffs interest at heart. :rolleyes:

Its seen by many as a backdoor route to lowering wages to stupid levels.

Yeah that sounds about right, we are bad enough here in Ireland at the moment with 430,000 Irish people on the dole and now they want to further undermind Irish workers wages:mad:. The same way as the Nice treaty where they told us that 20,000 at most Eastern European workers would come to Ireland, more like 400,000, that was okay when we had Jobs but now they want to allow companies employ people at there home country rates.

murrayp4

These posters are pretty sly. What they say is "Minimum wage €1.84?" vote No etc... notice the question mark. You can say any phrase with a question mark and get away with it, because it's a question, not a statement of fact. e.g. "Your Mother's a whore?...vote No".....not calling your mother a whore, just asking the question (who knows it may be true...:rolleyes:)

marco_polo

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

:mad::mad:Im sorry but im really angry about this Lisbon vote again, we voted no last time and now they rerun it until they get what they want, if we had voted yes would we have it again, not a chance in hell. I voted NO last time and ill vote NO this time, i wont be told my vote was no good last time and told to vote again:mad:.

In a democracy your vote is good every time.

mike65

Its a self explaining idiotic claim anyway - who is going to work for €1.84 when you get a fiver per hour on the dole?

Dankoozy

TriciaDelicia wrote: »

How is it anti-Lisbon?

on another note was talking to the monster in-law yesterday so she's saying "I voted yes the last time, but this time I'm voting no because they didn't listen to me last time" :eek:I'm speechless suppressing the urge to bang her head off something, she carries on to tell me in a matter of a fact tone how "all our boys will be subscripted to a European super army"!!!!!

I'm hoping she is the only one with thoughts like this, anyone else been told crazy things by people supporting the Yes & No side?

still this business with having every referendum twice is ridiculous. it would be worth voting no just to see Biffo try to run it a 3rd time. besides, it's only a ****ing lisbon treaty, i'm sure the Eurocrats will come up with some other treaty if they can't get this one past

TriciaDelicia

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon. (but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

How is it anti-Lisbon?

on another note was talking to the monster in-law yesterday so she's saying "I voted yes the last time, but this time I'm voting no because they didn't listen to me last time" :eek:I'm speechless suppressing the urge to bang her head off something, she carries on to tell me in a matter of a fact tone how "all our boys will be subscripted to a European super army"!!!!!

I'm hoping she is the only one with thoughts like this, anyone else been told crazy things by people supporting the Yes & No side?

Biggins

skelliser wrote: »

...Now a few years ago there was this court case called lavel, there has since been similiar ones. It was between workers and a company. The company wanted to bring in foreign workers and pay them the wage they where earning at home ie. this basically undermined the local employees wages.
The court sided with the company saying it was ok to do so cause it encouraged competition in the market.
This is where the adage "race to the bottom comes from"

now coir are saying/musing/arguing that this could happen here i.e. a company can bring in foreign workers say from eastern europe and pay them 1.84 an hour. Thus undermining our wage here.

The European court of justice ruled on this...

Yep, that case was well reported on at the time and the workers lost their case against the company.
The ruling still stands and is seen by the big companies pushing us (by coincidence :rolleyes: ) to vote "Yes" - because as we all know, the big companies like Ryanair all have their staffs interest at heart. :rolleyes:

Its seen by many as a backdoor route to lowering wages to stupid levels.

Dankoozy

almostnever wrote: »

I love the question mark.
"Unrepetant zombies roam streets of Dublin following ratification of the Lsibon Treaty?"

if that is likely I'm voting yes. The zombies can have Dublin, if they stray outside the pale i'll get the chainsaw out

MagicMarker

Can anyone post a link to this ''lisbon'' treaty, as I know sweet fúck all about it, and I intend to vote this time around, so better know wtf I'm doing.

almostnever

I love the question mark.
Because the fact that it's a blatant lie is "hidden" *COUGH* behind the question mark.
They could equally say "Unrepetant zombies roam streets of Dublin following ratification of the Lisbon Treaty?" and then be off the hook when it doesn't happen...because there's a question mark.
Still,the people behind this rely on donations. And people must actually give them money to waste. So,whatever.

JONJO THE MISER

ejmaztec wrote: »

Sorry Jonjo, but your vote was no good.

:mad: Gets my Pitch fork ready:P

Dankoozy

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon.

Boards is an annoying overzealous left-wing authoritarian pro-european 'everything by the letter of the law' facebook using militant atheist city dweller with an iPhone

skelliser

they are coir posters.
the 1.84 is the average wage of the ascension states that joined a few years ago i.e. the eastern block countries.
Now a few years ago there was this court case called lavel, there has since been similiar ones. It was between workers and a company. The company wanted to bring in foreign workers and pay them the wage they where earning at home ie. this basically undermined the local employees wages.
The court sided with the company saying it was ok to do so cause it encouraged competition in the market.
This is where the adage "race to the bottom comes from"

now coir are saying/musing/arguing that this could happen here i.e. a company can bring in foreign workers say from eastern europe and pay them 1.84 an hour. Thus undermining our wage here.

the european court of justice ruled on this. As regards lisbon its pretty technical if this could happen, im not fully sure.

but thats the basic gist.

i dont support coir

JONJO THE MISER

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon. (but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

Why is boards pro Lisbon? i would of thought they would be netural. It seems all big buissness want the people to vote yes, they can screw themselves, want to drive down wages and do what they want and screw the workers, well Lisbon will be defeated again this time because us Irish people wont be taken for fools. I know of a few people who voted yes last time and now they are going to vote no because of the 2nd vote on this.

ejmaztec

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

:mad::mad:Im sorry but im really angry about this Lisbon vote again, we voted no last time and now they rerun it until they get what they want, if we had voted yes would we have it again, not a chance in hell. I voted NO last time and ill vote NO this time, i wont be told my vote was no good last time and told to vote again:mad:.

Sorry Jonjo, but your vote was no good.

thomond2006

SV wrote: »

This is anti lisbon..and as such will be probably be locked.

Don't you know boards is pro lisbon. (but don't tell anyone :rolleyes:)

:rolleyes:

ejmaztec

TheDublinMan wrote: »

Driving up the Ballymun Road yesterday, posters everywhere stating that if Lisbon is passed minimum wage will be dropped to €1.84!!!!!!

Come on do you expect me to believe this!

What do all the fine people of After Hours think of this.

Please no long-winded drivel laden replies from tinfoil hat lovers.

At least we won't be paying tax or PRSI on this, so we can look on the bright side.

JONJO THE MISER

:mad::mad:Im sorry but im really angry about this Lisbon vote again, we voted no last time and now they rerun it until they get what they want, if we had voted yes would we have it again, not a chance in hell. I voted NO last time and ill vote NO this time, i wont be told my vote was no good last time and told to vote again:mad:.