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"Operation Armageddon" in 1969 would have been mass suicide for Irish - STAY ON TOPIC

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    #62
    ejmaztec
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    At least it would have gotten rid of Fianna Fail, had the Kamikaze operation gone ahead, and old Charlie wouldn't have amassed the vast fortune that he had.


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    #63
    Witcher
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    No it would not, if you think for one minute taht Irish people would allow the brits to slaughter other Irish people you dont know what you are talking about, look at Iraq and Afganistan they havent wont there now have they. The Irish public would rise and we would use everything to get those Brits out of our Republic, there is no way a army can defeat 2 million Irish men even if they were unarmed.

    Please, will you actually flick your brain to "on".

    No.1. Not every man in Ireland would have fought.

    No.2 What normal person would go up there unarmed to piss off British troops?

    No.3 Drawing a comparision with Iraq/Afghanistan is stupid, they could have mobilised troops over from Britain within hours, they can't do that to Iraq/Afghanistan.

    You might find it hard to think "the old enemy" could ever get one over on us, but please, think...even now they would wipe us out, no disrespect to the Defence Forces, theyre ust far superior experience, equipment and logistics wise.

    Think about what your saying:rolleyes:


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    #64
    PirateShampoo
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    You would have had men volunteering en masse. Emotions were running very high at the time.


    Do you honestly believe that?

    Do you really think that if the call to arms came and the Irish army where being slaughtered, do you really think anyone in there right mind would sign up?

    At most they would of been given 1 pistol 1 hand grenade and a pat on the back and sent to there deaths.


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    #65
    PK2008
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    No it would not, if you think for one minute taht Irish people would allow the brits to slaughter other Irish people you dont know what you are talking about, look at Iraq and Afganistan they havent wont there now have they. The Irish public would rise and we would use everything to get those Brits out of our Republic, there is no way a army can defeat 2 million Irish men even if they were unarmed.

    Its doubtful the British would target Irish civilians, there would not be another 'Black and Tan' situation. Britain would simply dessimate the Irish Army and Government and reassert its claim over Northern Ireland. I seriously doubt they would consider occupying the 32 counties again. They would just destroy the infrastructure and governing systems and then allow us to rebuild under the threat that if we tried it again we would get slapped again.


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    #66
    TheZohanS
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe that?

    I do, Ireland in the '60s is a lot different to Ireland today.

    Men were real men. People had pride in their country.


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    #67
    PirateShampoo
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    No it would not, if you think for one minute taht Irish people would allow the brits to slaughter other Irish people you dont know what you are talking about, look at Iraq and Afganistan they havent wont there now have they. The Irish public would rise and we would use everything to get those Brits out of our Republic, there is no way a army can defeat 2 million Irish men even if they were unarmed.


    I dont think you have any idea about War and Occupation. And comparing well armed Afgan and Iraqi isurgances to non armed irish civilains who have no combate training what so ever is a bit silly.

    Il make it simple.

    They have big guns. We have a Hurley.


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    #68
    ejmaztec
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    I think that the end result would have been a UN mission covering the whole island, until "New elections" had taken place, after Lynch and his colleagues had been packed off to a rubber room.

    I don't think that the British would have had full control with the US breathing down their necks.


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    #69
    PirateShampoo
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    I do, Ireland in the '60s is a lot different to Ireland today.

    Men were real men. People had pride in their country.


    Men are men, when uve a family at home and 10 guys in front of you just got Bomded by a Harrier or shot in the face by a guy 500 meters away, i know which way im going to run and its not forwards.


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    #70
    rossie1977
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    I do, Ireland in the '60s is a lot different to Ireland today.

    Men were real men. People had pride in their country.

    weren't most irish men already in britain at the time, on the buildings :D


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    #71
    JONJO THE MISER
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    Blay wrote: »
    Please, will you actually flick your brain to "on".

    No.1. Not every man in Ireland would have fought.

    No.2 What normal person would go up there unarmed to piss off British troops?

    No.3 Drawing a comparision with Iraq/Afghanistan is stupid, they could have mobilised troops over from Britain within hours, they can't do that to Iraq/Afghanistan.

    You might find it hard to think "the old enemy" could ever get one over on us, but please, think...even now they would wipe us out, no disrespect to the Defence Forces, theyre ust far superior experience, equipment and logistics wise.

    Think about what your saying:rolleyes:

    Maybe you should think about what ure saying, are you even Irish? because i find it hard to believe that a Irish person wouldnt fight to the death for his country.


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    #72
    darkman2
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    Here is the Daily Mail's take;)


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210141/Irish-generals-plotted-attack-UK-forces-Ulster.html
    Codenamed 'Exercise Armageddon', the operations against British targets in 1969 would have stunned the world.

    lol!


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    #73
    Witcher
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Maybe you should think about what ure saying, are you even Irish? because i find it hard to believe that a Irish person wouldnt fight to the death for his country.


    So being Irish=You fight blindly against armed and trained men with your bare hands because theyre the "Brits.":rolleyes:

    If that's a requirement to be Irish you can have my passport back.


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    #74
    JONJO THE MISER
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    I dont think you have any idea about War and Occupation. And comparing well armed Afgan and Iraqi isurgances to non armed irish civilains who have no combate training what so ever is a bit silly.

    Il make it simple.

    They have big guns. We have a Hurley.

    And what age are you? i would suggest that you probaly grew up in a nice safe middle classs estate so you have no idea what you are talking about, it was diffrent back in the 70's and people would fight for Ireland regardless. You must have no pride in being Irish if when your country was invaded you would not fight, i know most people and they would fight to the death even if they were outnumbered.


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    #75
    PK2008
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Maybe you should think about what ure saying, are you even Irish? because i find it hard to believe that a Irish person wouldnt fight to the death for his country.

    I get the feeling you would relish the chance.

    The British would not attack Irish civilians or try to re-occupy the 26 counties so there would be no reason for anyone to "die for their country".

    If thousands of trained and armed irish army personnel were killed by the Brtiish Army what would be the point in untrained, ill equipped civilians following them?


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    #76
    PirateShampoo
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    And what age are you? i would suggest that you probaly grew up in a nice safe middle classs estate so you have no idea what you are talking about, it was diffrent back in the 70's and people would fight for Ireland regardless. You must have no pride in being Irish if when your country was invaded you would not fight, i know most people and they would fight to the death even if they were outnumbered.


    No actually i brought up on a council estate in Wales by a single mother.

    If this had happened and you where called to arm's you wouldn't of made it half way to the North and your CIE bus would of been bombed has it left the depot.

    You know nothing of people, you might think your ideology of dieing for your country is a noble one, but i doubt your wife and kids would think the same.


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    #77
    dlofnep
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    I still maintain we should have done something - Especially after the British soldiers made a habit of murdering innocent Irish civlians. Even if it was only symbolic, the Brits got away with way too much nonsense and deserved a good slapping.

    You can be sure that if it did go down, there would have been men, women and children ready to voltuneer in a heartbeat and it wouldn't have been a Falklands.


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    #78
    dlofnep
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    You know nothing of people, you might think your ideology of dieing for your country is a noble one, but i doubt your wife and kids would think the same.

    It is when you are defending the lives of your very own countrymen and women from an oppressive foreign army who was murdering innocent people, and colluding with loyalist terrorists.


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    #79
    Happy Monday
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Surely you dont mean all of Ireland, you think the Prods could get and etnic cleanse even a mile over the border, not likely, the general Irish population would mobilise and kick those Prods across the Irish sea, you have to remember we Catholics were the majority in the island of Ireland.

    The Prods as you call them with a little help from the British Army.
    Interesting how you Republicans have told us for decades that the Brits were a murderous force of oppression in the North and yet fail to factor them into any such war in Ireland - maybe they weren't quite the bogeymen you said they were.


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    #80
    ejmaztec
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    No actually i brought up on a council estate in Wales by a single mother.

    If this had happened and you where called to arm's you wouldn't of made it half way to the North and your CIE bus would of been bombed has it left the depot.

    You know nothing of people, you might think your ideology of dieing for your country is a noble one, but i doubt your wife and kids would think the same.

    The CIE would have upped the price of the fare, and most people would have had to thumb it because they couldn't afford to go by bus. By the time they got to the North, they wouldn't have had the strength to lift their hurleys, let alone give someone a clout with it.


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    #81
    EvilMonkey
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    Once they blew up the BBC the Irish civilians would have turned on the government. :pac:


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    #82
    Witcher
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    It is when you are defending the lives of your very own countrymen and women from an oppressive foreign army who was murdering innocent people, and colluding with loyalist terrorists.

    Yeah yeah..nobility..patriotism..blah blah blah. The fact is, if the Irish Army had of crossed that border a lot of women in this country now would be widows and sons would be without fathers.

    People can spout "fcuk the Brits" and sh1te all day but we would have got our arse handed to us and nobody would have taken up arms like some here seem to think would have happened, people don't think like Padraig Pearse etc anymore, theres no altruism, they would have read the paper and said "go up there? fcuk that", if people down here were so "anti British" why didn't they cross the border off their own bat and fight the big bad British Army? Because they'd have been coming home in a box. End of.


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    #83
    Happy Monday
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    I still maintain we should have done something - Especially after the British soldiers made a habit of murdering innocent Irish civlians. Even if it was only symbolic, the Brits got away with way too much nonsense and deserved a good slapping.

    You can be sure that if it did go down, there would have been men, women and children ready to voltuneer in a heartbeat and it wouldn't have been a Falklands.

    The Falklands comparison is valid - there, Argentina needed to drag thousands of frightened conscripts to fight the Brits and got thumped back within a matter of weeks and haven't tried again since.

    The Irish army and conscripts/volunteers like yourself would have suffered a similar fate.......


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    #84
    PirateShampoo
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    It is when you are defending the lives of your very own countrymen and women from an oppressive foreign army who was murdering innocent people, and colluding with loyalist terrorists.

    And what you gonna defend them with?

    Also what ur saying did happen and the fellow country men did nothing so what ur saying doesnt make any sense.

    All im saying that if this operation went ahead it would of been a complete disaster and a very fast ass whopping.


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    #85
    Scruff
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    Shouldnt this thread be in the Walter Mitty forum ?


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    #86
    Niall09
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    Look at how bias the comments and ratings are in the Daily Shíte article :pac:


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    #87
    JONJO THE MISER
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    [quote=PirateShampoo;61883523
    You know nothing of people, you might think your ideology of dieing for your country is a noble one, but i doubt your wife and kids would think the same.[/quote]

    And you know nothing about Irish people so maybe you should talk about wales and dont get involved in other countries disputes.


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    #88
    JONJO THE MISER
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    And what you gonna defend them with?

    Also what ur saying did happen and the fellow country men did nothing so what ur saying doesnt make any sense.

    All im saying that if this operation went ahead it would of been a complete disaster and a very fast ass whopping.

    In another thread you said we should rename the country ****eville, so i think you would not fight for anything as you seem to not like this country, so i think i will not listen to you ideals as this country is better off without people like you if that is what you think Of Ireland.


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    #89
    PirateShampoo
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    In another thread you said we should rename the country ****eville, so i think you would not fight for anything as you seem to not like this country, so i think i will not listen to you ideals as this country is better off without people like you if that is what you think Of Ireland.

    Im just here for your women and dole money.


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    #90
    dlofnep
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    Blay wrote: »
    Yeah yeah..nobility..patriotism..blah blah blah. The fact is, if the Irish Army had of crossed that border a lot of women in this country now would be widows and sons would be without fathers.

    If we had crossed that invisible line, it would have been the moral thing to do. Maybe we would have suffered loss - but to sit back and let a foreign army murder our countrymen was the biggest sin of all.
    Blay wrote: »
    People can spout "fcuk the Brits"

    Who said that?
    Blay wrote: »
    but we would have got our arse handed to us and nobody would have taken up arms like some here seem to think would have happened

    Yes they would.
    Blay wrote: »
    people don't think like Padraig Pearse etc anymore

    It wasn't even an issue of independance, it was a human rights issue - where innocent civilians were murdered by a nation's official armed forces.
    Blay wrote: »
    if people down here were so "anti British"

    It has nothing to do with "anti-British". It has to do with objections to their foreign policy. You might try cod a lesser person with that association rhetoric, but not me
    Blay wrote: »
    why didn't they cross the border off their own bat and fight the big bad British Army?

    They did cross the border and fight. However, membership of the IRA was illegal - so it wasn't exactly the easiest thing to do.
    Blay wrote: »
    Because they'd have been coming home in a box. End of.

    They would have been already home. The British would have suffered similar losses. The international community would inevitably have to step in.

    1916 wasn't an easy chapter in our history, but it was a necessary chapter. And this would have been to, if FF had the balls to actually stand up against the British terrorists.


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    #91
    PK2008
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    It was just a contingency plan, all governments put them together when a threat exists. They are rarely taken seriously.

    I think the British had a contingency plan for the invasion of Russia at one stage- its just something the army has to do to cover all angles.

    Thank god it didnt happen


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