"Operation Armageddon" in 1969 would have been mass suicide for Irish - STAY ON TOPIC

K-9

Why are people mentioning the IRA in this thread.

There was No IRA in 1968/69, well, not as we know it.

Republican posters accusing others of not going back to 1969, should go back themselves.

IRA = I Ran Away.

itsonlywords

K-9 wrote: »

Why are people mentioning the IRA in this thread.

There was No IRA in 1968/69, well, not as we know it.

Republican posters accusing others of not going back to 1969, should go back themselves.

IRA = I Ran Away.

What a stupid comment. The IRA was in existance in 1968/69. I am proud to say that without the IRA we would still have that shower of loyalist scum persecuting my fellow countrymen with total freedom to do so. My fellow countrymen would still be denied their human rights by the scumbags who tried and succeeded to keep nationalists as third class citizens. I am grateful to the IRA and all right minded Irishmen should be also. Yes they killed but the Brits and RUC B Specials, Black and Tans, British Army etc killed and maimed thousands of Irish people and so what the IRA did pales into insignificance but the good they did in ridding us of dominating orange scum is not recognised by most. The dopes down south who pass judgement never lived there.

dan719

K-9 wrote: »

IRA = I Ran Away.

1,2,3,4

I predict a flame war.

itsonlywords

dan719 wrote: »

1,2,3,4

I predict a flame war.

What do you know about it? Did you live there? My guess is that you did not because if you did you if you are nationalist, which I very much doubt would acknowledge the role the IRA played in getting justice for nationalists. If things were left as as they were pre 1969 then the nationalists would be still **** on by their loyalist "masters"

K-9

K-9 wrote: »

Why are people mentioning the IRA in this thread.

There was No IRA in 1968/69, well, not as we know it.

There was, but it was very much moribund at the time. A handful of middle aged men and a few ancient weapons.

The troubles gave the organisation new life before splitting with the southern IRA and creating the PIRA which .... well the rest is history.

dan719

itsonlywords wrote: »

What do you know about it? Did you live there? My guess is that you did not because if you did you if you are nationalist, which I very much doubt would acknowledge the role the IRA played in getting justice for nationalists. If things were left as as they were pre 1969 then the nationalists would be still **** on by their loyalist "masters"

Hi there. Here is a post which I made on this thread a while back. I'm sure you didn't bother to read it.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ruled by her majesty the Queen, and up until recently the major area of operations for the British Army. As in, your claim that the IDF would have superior local knowledge of terrain, and so on, is utter sh*te, along with your outdated belief system.

All unionists know is murdering, house burning and gerrymandering? What kind of a ridiculous generalisation is that? One could just as easily say that republicans were nothing more than robbing, gardai murdering, intimidating scum?

Why are people like you so determined to revert back to the us and them mentality? And to tell me that I don't understand unionists. Have you ever seen a family member have a gun put to his head by special branch walking across chelsea bridge after the Heathrow bombings? Or been spat at for being a mick? How about travelled on the tube one tram up from one the IRA decided to blow up? Or detained in Heathrow airport while going for a connecting flight?

If I had my way I would quite happily cut off NI from this island and ye can all f*ck right off and do what you like to one another. Anyone who wants to just get on with life is more then welcome in the republic or mainland britain. Gob****es who still jerk off to the thought of invading the North or getting one over on the Brits. Well then go invade it yourselves.

I've put the important part in bold, especially for you. So what exactly do you know about it?

itsonlywords

dan719 wrote: »

Hi there. Here is a post which I made on this thread a while back. I'm sure you didn't bother to read it.



I've put the important part in bold, especially for you. So what exactly do you know about it?

More than you will know. From Newcastle Co Down and now in South. Wonder why that is?

dan719

itsonlywords wrote: »

More than you will know. From Newcastle Co Down and now in South. Wonder why that is?

Liked the scenery?

itsonlywords

dan719 wrote: »

Liked the scenery?

Not the scenery in Magilligan point of course

sdanseo

itsonlywords wrote: »

What a stupid comment. The IRA was in existance in 1968/69. I am proud to say that without the IRA we would still have that shower of loyalist scum persecuting my fellow countrymen with total freedom to do so. My fellow countrymen would still be denied their human rights by the scumbags who tried and succeeded to keep nationalists as third class citizens. I am grateful to the IRA and all right minded Irishmen should be also. Yes they killed but the Brits and RUC B Specials, Black and Tans, British Army etc killed and maimed thousands of Irish people and so what the IRA did pales into insignificance but the good they did in ridding us of dominating orange scum is not recognised by most. The dopes down south who pass judgement never lived there.

You see i want to agree with you, but I just cannot condone violence. Ever.

Killing and mainiming people - especially innocent people, nevermind the soldiers for now - is not, never has been and never will be the answer to any civil unrest or battle for sovereignty, and history as well as Iraq and Afghanistan today show us that this is true.

Yes what you say about people being denied their human rights is true. Completely so. And yes, rightfully the North should be part of the republic. But we could not sustain it, the violence in the south would be unimaginable and members of the IRA and nationalists seem to be completely blind to this. It WILL NOT HAPPEN any time soon. GET THE **** OVER IT AND MOVE ON.

K-9

itsonlywords wrote: »

What a stupid comment. The IRA was in existance in 1968/69. I am proud to say that without the IRA we would still have that shower of loyalist scum persecuting my fellow countrymen with total freedom to do so. My fellow countrymen would still be denied their human rights by the scumbags who tried and succeeded to keep nationalists as third class citizens. I am grateful to the IRA and all right minded Irishmen should be also. Yes they killed but the Brits and RUC B Specials, Black and Tans, British Army etc killed and maimed thousands of Irish people and so what the IRA did pales into insignificance but the good they did in ridding us of dominating orange scum is not recognised by most. The dopes down south who pass judgement never lived there.

Are you denying the IRA's history?

I notice the hardline Republicans who know their IRA history did not deny this, when I posted it earlier. It's undeniable fact.

PS. I'm talking about 1969, nothing else.

If IRA=I Ran Away in 1969 annoys you, that is your own issue, not mine.

I am not a Revisionist who wants to wipe away inconvenient facts.

Good God of almighty, it's why there is a Provisional IRA, why it exists!

You wouldn't have the Provisional IRA except for how useless the IRA was in 1969.

DoireNod

itsonlywords wrote: »

Not the scenery in Magilligan point of course

Magilligan in Derry? That whole coastal area is actually pretty damn cool. Benone Beach et. cetera

But aye, ok. I get what you mean. The prison, right?

wilson10

itsonlywords wrote: »

What a stupid comment. The IRA was in existance in 1968/69. I am proud to say that without the IRA we would still have that shower of loyalist scum persecuting my fellow countrymen with total freedom to do so. My fellow countrymen would still be denied their human rights by the scumbags who tried and succeeded to keep nationalists as third class citizens. I am grateful to the IRA and all right minded Irishmen should be also. Yes they killed but the Brits and RUC B Specials, Black and Tans, British Army etc killed and maimed thousands of Irish people and so what the IRA did pales into insignificance but the good they did in ridding us of dominating orange scum is not recognised by most. The dopes down south who pass judgement never lived there.

It happens to be a fact whether you agree or not that Republican terrorists in one guise or another killed more Catholics than all the security forces put together, although I'm not going back as far as the Black & Tans.
And by the way I am a right minded Irishman and proud of it and am not grateful to the IRA for anything.

DoireNod

wilson10 wrote: »

And by the way I am a right minded Irishman and proud of it and am not grateful to the IRA for anything.

Ah now, by saying that you are 'a right minded Irishman...and [you are] not grateful to the IRA for anything' implies that everyone who is grateful in one way or another to the IRA is not a right minded Irishman. Certainly, you have a point, but had you experienced the brutality of the British Government first hand in places like Derry or Belfast, you would have been grateful to the IRA. Indeed, many people were.

wilson10

DoireNod wrote: »

Ah now, by saying that you are 'a right minded Irishman...and [you are] not grateful to the IRA for anything' implies that everyone who is grateful in one way or another to the IRA is not a right minded Irishman. Certainly, you have a point, but had you experienced the brutality of the British Government first hand in places like Derry or Belfast, you would have been grateful to the IRA. Indeed, many people were.

No, not at all, simply answering Itsonlywords assertion that you could not be a right minded Irishman unless you felt yourself to be under some obligation to the organisation who killed and maimed so many people.

captainblack

itsonlywords wrote: »

What a stupid comment. The IRA was in existance in 1968/69. I am proud to say that without the IRA we would still have that shower of loyalist scum persecuting my fellow countrymen with total freedom to do so. My fellow countrymen would still be denied their human rights by the scumbags who tried and succeeded to keep nationalists as third class citizens. I am grateful to the IRA and all right minded Irishmen should be also. Yes they killed but the Brits and RUC B Specials, Black and Tans, British Army etc killed and maimed thousands of Irish people and so what the IRA did pales into insignificance but the good they did in ridding us of dominating orange scum is not recognised by most. The dopes down south who pass judgement never lived there.

Third class citizens? Who were the first and second class citizens?

The rest of your post is a white wash. Republicans killed far more people than The UK state during 'the troubles'. The words lack of proportionality spring to mind.

NEWS FLASH: The IRA were never fighting for civil rights, they were fighting for a 32 county, gaelic, socialist Republic.

DoireNod

captainblack wrote: »

Third class citizens? Who were the first and second class citizens?

Pedantry.

The rest of your post is a white wash. Republicans killed far more people than The UK state during 'the troubles'. The words lack of proportionality spring to mind.

Yes and the UK state has killed many more people than militant Republicans throughout history. What are you saying?

NEWS FLASH: The IRA were never fighting for civil rights, they were fighting for a 32 county, gaelic, socialist Republic.

They assumed a dual purpose really. Apart from the failure of the peaceful demonstrations from NICRA, no one else stood up for the civil rights of the seriously oppressed minority and people accepted the IRA's stand against the tyranny. Had the Irish government stepped in or the international community acted, it's possible that the IRA would never have come to prominence. As I said before, people let it get to a point where it took events like Bloody Sunday to militarise the oppressed.

itsonlywords

wilson10 wrote: »

It happens to be a fact whether you agree or not that Republican terrorists in one guise or another killed more Catholics than all the security forces put together, although I'm not going back as far as the Black & Tans.
And by the way I am a right minded Irishman and proud of it and am not grateful to the IRA for anything.

So the nationalists would be free with equal rights to education employment housing and the basic human right to vote? Even Robert Mugabe's Zimbabawe has that ffs. Those loyalist tryants would have ensured that the "mick" was kept down ,were it not for the IRA, who never ran away but brought this struggle to it's present position where we have representation at last and equality. Now with Republican politicians in power sharing and wasn't it lovely to seee the might mouth ignorant anti nationalist Paisley and his ilk having to cave in to nationalist . As far as I am cincerned, the IRA were the saviours of the north. They talk about deaths because of the British occupation of our land, well unfortunately this was a result of that same occupation. Had they gone when they should have we would have been spared. Thousands die every year because of struggles, and while it is regrettable , it is happening because of injustice. The Brits slaughtered many thousands of decent Irish people but why are you people so quiet about that? Are the Irish who were murdered by the british occupiers, less dead? Only IRA killed, no loyalists, no brits, no sleeveen RUC and B Specials, what about the scummy paras on Bloody Sunday where they slaughtered defenceless civilians? It is right that the killing stopped and the bombings but as the time was right and the nationalists had been granted all human rights. The struggle for a United Ireland must go on though but through political means.God Save Ireland.

McArmalite

K-9 wrote: »

Why are people mentioning the IRA in this thread.

There was No IRA in 1968/69, well, not as we know it.

Republican posters accusing others of not going back to 1969, should go back themselves.

IRA = I Ran Away.

Spot on K-9. The IRA was almost defunct thanks to the friends of Pat Rabbite and Prionsias De Rossa the 'leadership' in Dublin such as Thomas McGiolla, Cathal Goulding etc who sold the many of teh weapons they had to a Welsh Indepence group in the mid sixties.

ejmaztec

itsonlywords wrote: »

Had they gone when they should have we would have been spared.

Had this happened, many of us wouldn't be here, thanks to the casualty rate of a full-blown all-Ireland nationalist/unionist punch-up that would have followed "non"-partition. It would have made the Irish Civil War seem like a picnic in comparison.

Perhaps it should have happened, then we wouldn't have to put up with the ranting "lemon-suckers" that there are now.

itsonlywords

captainblack wrote: »

Third class citizens? Who were the first and second class citizens?

The rest of your post is a white wash. Republicans killed far more people than The UK state during 'the troubles'. The words lack of proportionality spring to mind.

NEWS FLASH: The IRA were never fighting for civil rights, they were fighting for a 32 county, gaelic, socialist Republic.

First class were the ruling protestant classes, the second class werre the great unwashed protestant who depended on the social welfare system to maintain their drinking habits.
IRA never ran away as stated previously, had they run away we would still have the puppet governmant in our north.
The murders in Ireland by the terrorist brits were more in number than the deaths IRA were responsible for. Not disputable. The IRA fought for equality also. and thank God for that

itsonlywords

ejmaztec wrote: »

Had this happened, many of us wouldn't be here, thanks to the casualty rate of a full-blown all-Ireland nationalist/unionist punch-up that would have followed "non"-partition. It would have made the Irish Civil War seem like a picnic in comparison.

Perhaps it should have happened, then we wouldn't have to put up with the ranting "lemon-suckers" that there are now.

Are you joking yourself man? The loyalists did nothing except blaa blaa blaaa. We woukld have wiped them in 24 hours in a civil war and at least we would have our country re-united. The cuckoos would be driven from our nest.

wilson10

itsonlywords wrote: »

So the nationalists would be free with equal rights to education employment housing and the basic human right to vote? Even Robert Mugabe's Zimbabawe has that ffs. Those loyalist tryants would have ensured that the "mick" was kept down ,were it not for the IRA, who never ran away but brought this struggle to it's present position where we have representation at last and equality. Now with Republican politicians in power sharing and wasn't it lovely to seee the might mouth ignorant anti nationalist Paisley and his ilk having to cave in to nationalist . As far as I am cincerned, the IRA were the saviours of the north. They talk about deaths because of the British occupation of our land, well unfortunately this was a result of that same occupation. Had they gone when they should have we would have been spared. Thousands die every year because of struggles, and while it is regrettable , it is happening because of injustice. The Brits slaughtered many thousands of decent Irish people but why are you people so quiet about that? Are the Irish who were murdered by the british occupiers, less dead? Only IRA killed, no loyalists, no brits, no sleeveen RUC and B Specials, what about the scummy paras on Bloody Sunday where they slaughtered defenceless civilians? It is right that the killing stopped and the bombings but as the time was right and the nationalists had been granted all human rights. The struggle for a United Ireland must go on though but through political means.God Save Ireland.

Take a breath ffs. You'll have a heart attack or something.

As for equal voting rights, that was achieved in 1972, 37 years ago. It didn't take three and a half thousand deaths to achieve it.

gurramok

wilson10 wrote: »

Take a breath ffs. You'll have a heart attack or something.

As for equal voting rights, that was achieved in 1972, 37 years ago. It didn't take three and a half thousand deaths to achieve it.

They had no police force until the PSNI came along.

DoireNod

wilson10 wrote: »

As for equal voting rights, that was achieved in 1972, 37 years ago.

Link please?

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/discrimination/chron.htm

Did you vote as a catholic nationalist in 1972 in Northern Ireland?

ejmaztec

itsonlywords wrote: »

Are you joking yourself man? The loyalists did nothing except blaa blaa blaaa. We woukld have wiped them in 24 hours in a civil war and at least we would have our country re-united. The cuckoos would be driven from our nest.

Yes, they would have given up gracefully, and gone on a mass hand-shake.

It's quite apt that you mention cuckoos, because the bloodless easy way would only have happened in cloud cuckoo land.

captainblack

captainblack wrote: »

NEWS FLASH: The IRA were never fighting for civil rights, they were fighting for a 32 county, gaelic, socialist Republic.

The civil rights movement initially had nothing to do with the IRA, it was only after internment that the IRA revived, had it not been for internment the IRA may never have come back as strong as it did.

But then again if Unionists hadn't been so sectarian in their management of the state then the "blue touch paper" may never hat been lit!

javaboy

Dartz wrote: »

Alright... that's it. I don't care if I get banned or not for this. It must be said, and deservedly so.

You Sir, are an IGNORANT MORON.

Good day to you. I'm out of here for a few weeks.

Banned.

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

LOL the irony...

Watch it.

Manic Moran wrote: »

Can I vote for an amnesty or pardon for this infraction?

NTM

No back seat modding please.

DoireNod wrote: »

:pac:

Attack the post, not the poster!

If people want to attack the poster, they should at least be articulate and eloquent about it, or try to make it subtle. Then maybe an amnesty or pardon might be accepted.

No back seat modding please.

itsonlywords wrote: »

What a stupid comment. The IRA was in existance in 1968/69. I am proud to say that without the IRA we would still have that shower of loyalist scum persecuting my fellow countrymen with total freedom to do so. My fellow countrymen would still be denied their human rights by the scumbags who tried and succeeded to keep nationalists as third class citizens. I am grateful to the IRA and all right minded Irishmen should be also. Yes they killed but the Brits and RUC B Specials, Black and Tans, British Army etc killed and maimed thousands of Irish people and so what the IRA did pales into insignificance but the good they did in ridding us of dominating orange scum is not recognised by most. The dopes down south who pass judgement never lived there.

If you want to keep posting here, I suggest you tone it down a lot.

McArmalite

ejmaztec wrote: »

Had this happened, many of us wouldn't be here, thanks to the casualty rate of a full-blown all-Ireland nationalist/unionist punch-up that would have followed "non"-partition. It would have made the Irish Civil War seem like a picnic in comparison.

Perhaps it should have happened, then we wouldn't have to put up with the ranting "lemon-suckers" that there are now.

Some Civil War. Fat middle aged coppers in the RUC armed with revolvers and a few sten guns and red neck bible thumping B Specials armed with the same or less, with a few days of firearms training between them.

ejmaztec wrote: »

Yes, they would have given up gracefully, and gone on a mass hand-shake.

It's quite apt that you mention cuckoos, because the bloodless easy way would only have happened in cloud cuckoo land.

Yeah, bloodless, just as in Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan and even Dublin at partition where Edward Carson was from and plenty of Trinity unionists etc who had been mouthing that they'd NEVER except Home Rule etc and their would only be a ' bloodbath ' otherwise etc, etc, etc. Not a whimper out of them or an objection from their brethern on the northern side of the border either when britian cast them adrift.

wilson10

DoireNod wrote: »

Link please?

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/discrimination/chron.htm

Did you vote as a catholic nationalist in 1972 in Northern Ireland?

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/politics/election/electoralsystem.htm

Ok, so the first election after the changes didn't take place till 1973.

No, I didn't have the opportunity of voting but I would reckon that Gerry Adams did.