The Wolfe Tones fighting now

Robbo · 06-08-2009 3:38pm

3 pages and no one's said "West Brit"? Is this a record or some kind of diktat from the Internet Army Council?

Wazdakka · 06-08-2009 3:42pm

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Each to their own? I wasn't trying to say people couldn't have their own opinion.

My point was that I'm not in the least surprised that The Wolfetones are fighting, considering their lyrics and the nature of their music.

Fair enough, Guess I misunderstood.

So you think that the type of music that they sung, on a topic that they all obviously felt very passionately about, has something to do with their fighting?

I think whatever has gotten into the media aside, the only people who know why they are really fighting is them.

prinz · 06-08-2009 3:42pm

Robbo wrote: »

3 pages and no one's said "West Brit"? Is this a record or some kind of diktat from the Internet Army Council?

Well in fairness we had British Royalists.......

Rebelheart · 06-08-2009 3:42pm

Robbo wrote: »

3 pages and no one's said "West Brit"? Is this a record or some kind of diktat from the Internet Army Council?

Re-read. I believe one poster decided to inadvertently make an admission, even though nobody was actually talking about the issue. But there you go.

Jim236 · 06-08-2009 3:43pm

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Of course they promote hatred! They're praising the IRA - a terrorist organisation.

lol you sh*te on about being biassed against the English, but you're more than happy to go along with the clearly biassed attitude of Sky News and The Sun against Republicanism? Theres nothing more ironic than a hypocrit moaning about hypocrisy.

The IRA weren't terrorists, no more so than the British Army anyway. They may have employed terror tactics during their campaign but for most of the troubles(up until Omagh), their aim wasn't to kill civilians so its hardly fair to put them in the same boat as the Taliban and Al'Qaeda. The IRA's campaign in the North was no less legitimate than the IRB/ICA/IRA campaign leading up to and following the 1916 Rising which our country now commemorates every year, and rightly so.

They also sing about coffin ships, The Rising, the pain Irish people went through, at the hands of the English, sparking memories for people and keeping bias, stereotype and hatred very much alive.

You can't incite hatred through a song, so stop exaggerating. Why shouldn't they sing about that stuff? Those issues are as relevant today as they were 100 years ago.

I find their lyrics to be full of hypocrisy - Singing about the pain of things they never experienced! Wailing about their tortured past and warfare.

In fairness, you could say the same about 90% of artists out there. Going by your logic though, because none of us have ever suffered from hunger or starvation, we shouldn't give a toss about the famine...

mike65 · 06-08-2009 3:44pm

Music for Irish pikeys

Wazdakka · 06-08-2009 3:47pm

Jim236 wrote: »

The IRA weren't terrorists, no more so than the British Army anyway.

LIES!!!

The British Army are MUCH bigger terrorists

pikachucheeks · 06-08-2009 3:48pm

Nodin wrote: »

So you'd walk into a Public Enemy gig and when they start Can't Truss It with 'it started in slave ships...' you'll pipe up and tell the assembled masses that they've no business going on about it. Good man.

Firstly, I'm a woman. So don't "Good man" me.

And secondly, Public Enemy has nothing to do with this. I'm simply saying, in relation to news that The Wolfe Tones are fighting, I'm not surprised. They're a very hateful band, in my opinion, having listening to their songs and their lyrics.

I wouldn't go to a gig of a band I didn't like trying to "tell" people anything. If people want to like and support that band, that's their choice.

My point regarding the Wolfe Tone's lyrics is that they sing of Irish History as if they experienced it first-hand.

"It started in slave ships" doesn't assume the band believe they were in those ships themselves.

DamoDLK · 06-08-2009 3:48pm

Eh Speaking of Joe Duffy, does anybody know what happened his podcast. seems to have stopped there 31st July???

dlofnep · 06-08-2009 3:48pm

prinz wrote: »

If by craic, you mean spouting rabble rousing crap for knuckle dragging halfwits then you're on the button. Wolfe Tone would spin in his grave to hear what his name has been linked to.

LOL.

The good old West-Brit mentality, of labelling everyone as knuckle-draggers for listening to a few ballads. I'd be surprised if you could see the ground from way up on your horse there.

prinz · 06-08-2009 3:52pm

dlofnep wrote: »

LOL.
The good old West-Brit mentality....

Sorry Robbo. It was good while it lasted...:(..
Accused of being a British royalist I can handle.... but not West-Brit :eek:

Mad Finn · 06-08-2009 3:55pm

Rebelheart wrote: »

Touchy subject eh, Kevin Myers? So we can take it that you do indeed stand up when the Hallelujah chorus is played.

Er. What the **** has the Hallelelujah chorus got to do with the British Royals?

It's a piece written in praise of the Messiah by a German and first performed in Dublin. The tradition of standing up for the Hallelujah Chorus, I believe, dates back to its first performance when the audience was so impressed they all stood up and sang along, which was quite an outlandish thing to do in the 18th century.

Course they didn't have lighters and mobile phones to wave in the air back then.....

Nodin · 06-08-2009 3:57pm

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Firstly, I'm a woman. So don't "Good man" me..

I'm sorry, I didn't consult my Crystal Gender Detector before posting.

pikachucheeks wrote: »

And secondly, Public Enemy has nothing to do with this. I'm simply saying, in relation to news that The Wolfe Tones are fighting, I'm not surprised. They're a very hateful band, in my opinion, having listening to their songs and their lyrics...

Its a traditional form of music. They just happen to specialise in "rebel" songs more so than others.

Also, never go to a Slayer gig.

pikachucheeks wrote: »

My point regarding the Wolfe Tone's lyrics is that they sing of Irish History as if they experienced it first-hand.

"It started in slave ships" doesn't assume the band believe they were in those ships themselves.

Its sung in the first person in places, yes.....

90 F--kin' days on a slave ship
Count 'em fallin' off 2, 3, 4 hun'ed at a time
Blood in the wood and it's mine
I'm chokin' on spit feelin' pain
Like my brain bein' chained
Still gotta give it what I got
But it's hot in the day, cold in the night
But I thrive to survive, I pray to god to stay alive
Attitude boils up inside
And that ain't it (think I'll every quit)
Still I pray to get my hands 'round
The neck of the man wit' the whip
3 months pass, they brand a label on my ass
To signify
Owned

http://www.publicenemy.com/index.php?page=page5&item=4&num=4

rossie1977 · 06-08-2009 4:00pm

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Of course they promote hatred! They're praising the IRA - a terrorist organisation.

They also sing about coffin ships, The Rising, the pain Irish people went through, at the hands of the English, sparking memories for people and keeping bias, stereotype and hatred very much alive.

wtf, the irish goverment held a special 90th anniversay 1916 ceremony 3 years ago, you can expect a big one in 2016, next you will be telling me they and dublin city council are promoting hatred too

http://www.dublincity.ie/RECREATIONANDCULTURE/LIBRARIES/HERITAGE%20AND%20HISTORY/DUBLIN%20CITY%20ARCHIVES/COLLECTIONS%20POST%201840/Pages/1916_90th_anniversary.aspx

you don't need the wolfe tones to hear stuff like 800 years, blah blah blah in pubs all around the country on a saturday night, were the wolfe tones to blame for the peace parade gone wrong a few years ago

AnonoBoy · 06-08-2009 4:07pm

Jim236 wrote: »

The IRA weren't terrorists, no more so than the British Army anyway. They may have employed terror tactics during their campaign but for most of the troubles(up until Omagh), their aim wasn't to kill civilians.

So what you're saying is: except for all the times that they did kill innocent civilians* they weren't trying to do it, therefore they weren't terrorists. Gotcha.

* A few of the 'exceptions':
Claudy 1972 - 9 civilians dead
La Mon Restaurant 1978 - 12 civilians dead
Enniskillen 1987 - 10 civilians dead
Liverpool 1993 - 2 civilians dead
Omagh - 1998 - 27 civilians dead

Robbo · 06-08-2009 4:12pm

prinz wrote: »

Sorry Robbo. It was good while it lasted...:(..
Accused of being a British royalist I can handle.... but not West-Brit :eek:

Threads with a whiff of semtex never disappoint.

Jim236 · 06-08-2009 4:37pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So what you're saying is: except for all the times that they did kill innocent civilians* they weren't trying to do it, therefore they weren't terrorists. Gotcha.

I'm saying the IRA weren't 'terrorists'. Out of curiousity, do you consider the British Army/UDR 'terrorists'?

* A few of the 'exceptions':
Claudy 1972 - 9 civilians dead
La Mon Restaurant 1978 - 12 civilians dead
Enniskillen 1987 - 10 civilians dead
Liverpool 1993 - 2 civilians dead
Omagh - 1998 - 27 civilians dead

The IRA never claimed the Claudy bombing, and as for the rest the IRA's policy was to give advanced warning ahead of the bombing to allow civilians to evacuate because they weren't out to kill for the sake of killing, they were out to damage the economy, particularly in Britain. I'm not gonna justify them because civilians were killed in all them which was wrong, especially the Omagh one, but I wouldn't include that in the period I'm talking about. The Omagh bombing was the catalyst of a provo split and whatever about all attacks before it, the RIRA were clearly out to kill that day.

As for the Enniskillen bombing, theres proof that the IRA rang the RUC ahead to warn of it, and the RUC purposely didn't pass the warning on. At the time, the IRA had support across the island, and the RUC/British Government knew the only way they'd lose support was if civilians died, and it worked to some extent, the IRA lost a lot of support in the 26 counties after it.

Rebelheart · 06-08-2009 4:44pm

Mad Finn wrote: »

Er. What the **** has the Hallelelujah chorus got to do with the British Royals?

It's a piece written in praise of the Messiah by a German and first performed in Dublin. The tradition of standing up for the Hallelujah Chorus, I believe, dates back to its first performance when the audience was so impressed they all stood up and sang along, which was quite an outlandish thing to do in the 18th century.

Course they didn't have lighters and mobile phones to wave in the air back then.....

Language, Timothy. Must research better, like: hallelujah chorus standing "George II":

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=ga&q=hallelujah+chorus+standing+%22George+II%22&btnG=Cuardaigh&meta=

AnonoBoy · 06-08-2009 4:47pm

Jim236 wrote: »

I'm saying the IRA weren't 'terrorists'.

I'm saying they were. I'm in no way saying that they were the only organisations engaged in terrorist activities but they were still terrorists.

Advance warnings don't absolve you from blame when people die.

JP Liz · 06-08-2009 4:54pm

I prefer Brian, Noel and Tommy the original Wolfe Tones

Big Tone · 06-08-2009 4:57pm

Since the Good Friday Agreement the tones have been at a loose end and have become irrelevant for this time.

rossie1977 · 06-08-2009 5:11pm

nothing to do with other stuff

but would anyone here consider michael collins a terrorist??

bodhrandude · 06-08-2009 6:43pm

I found the Wolftones to be more of a comedy act sometimes, especially with a track like Paddys Dream. But as traditional musicians they were a pile of plop. There are many Irish artists that would wipe the floor with them, case in point, Planxtys Follow me up to Carlow, Only Our Rivers run free, The Dubliners, Christy Moores version of the Galtee Mountain Boy, Scariff Martyrs, Liam Weldons James Connolly, Eddie and Finbarr Fureys Highland Paddy nuff said. These tracks are done with sweet strings, notes and are full of passion, the Wolftones just scowl, bawl, roar and blugdeon their instruments.

stovelid · 06-08-2009 6:48pm

I know one of the (original) Wolfe-Tones socially and he's an absolute gent.

Christ, the bleeding music though.

Rebelheart · 06-08-2009 6:53pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

I found the Wolftones to be more of a comedy act sometimes, especially with a track like Paddys Dream. But as traditional musicians they were a pile of plop. There are many Irish artists that would wipe the floor with them, case in point, Planxtys Follow me up to Carlow, Only Our Rivers run free, The Dubliners, Christy Moores version of the Galtee Mountain Boy, Scariff Martyrs, Liam Weldons James Connolly, Eddie and Finbarr Fureys Highland Paddy nuff said. These tracks are done with sweet strings, notes and are full of passion, the Wolftones just scowl, bawl, roar and blugdeon their instruments.

All very true, in my view. I wouldn't think of them in the same sentence as Planxty, never mind The Bothy Band, Lúnasa, The Chieftans, Danú, Martin Hayes or Dervish (to take some of many). I don't think anybody is attempting to claim them as modern-day Leo Rowsomes or Liam Ógs.

The Wolfe Tones are what they are: balladeers. Celtic Symphony is a superbly rousing song, as is the opening of Teddy Bear's Head. Joe McDonnell is a poignant song, and the studio version of Seán South of Garryowen is also rousing (the live version is horrid). The studio version of Come out you Black and Tans is also brilliant (but the live version is terrible) Their versions of God Save Ireland, Rock on Rockall, A Nation Once Again and On the One Road are standards sung across society even if, in the first case for instance, it was reproduced for Italia 90 as 'We're all part of Jackies Army'.

Degsy · 06-08-2009 7:57pm

Nodin wrote: »

Its sung in the first person in places, yes.....

http://www.publicenemy.com/index.php?page=page5&item=4&num=4

A load of hate-filled,badly written rubbish.
So the original slaves spoke the gangsta patois too did they?

thomond2006 · 06-08-2009 8:00pm

Can anyone tell me who cried "WOLF"?

Nodin · 06-08-2009 8:00pm

Degsy wrote: »

A load of hate-filled,badly written rubbish.
So the original slaves spoke the gangsta patois too did they?

Now Degsy, you have to let your fear of the dark skinned go...

Here....reach out for help.

davyjose · 06-08-2009 8:09pm

Fu. King. Hell.

The liberal middle classes on this website have made it be known that any sliver of nationalism is to be trounced.

But the fact that this stretches to the Wolfe Tones -a fcuking band - is pathetic.

Guess what guys, we have a past. These guys have taken a stance on it - sorry that they've had to interrupt your comfortable little life in the meantime.

Degsy · 06-08-2009 8:10pm

Nodin wrote: »

Now Degsy, you have to let your fear of the dark skinned go...

Here....reach out for help.

I have no "fear of the dark skinned"...i was refering to the clownishness of public enemy who actually are racists.
So..you know where you can shove your link my friend?

The Wolfe Tones fighting now

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