The Wolfe Tones fighting now

Rebelheart

On RTÉ Radio 1, Derek Warfield and Brian Warfield are having a good old fight on the Joe Duffy show about who has the right to use the name The Wolfe Tones.

Great stuff (but nasty)

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/

InkSlinger67

There will be skin, beards and rolling tobacco flying!

trad

Nearly as good as yesterday about Frankie Gavin

Wertz

Load of old bollocks really (the show not the Wolfetones)...between this and the De Dannan debacle yesterday makes for a boring listen. Half the country can't gte their medicines and Duffy is discussing bloody bands...not exactly a major issue for any regular listener.

*listens anyway*

Robbo

Can't they just split into the Real Wolf Tones and the Continuity Wolfe Tones since they refuse to decommission their weapons?

Mr Benevolent

Half the country can't gte their medicines and Duffy is discussing bloody bands...not exactly a major issue for any regular listener.

That's what the media is there for - to distract the public's attention away from the real problems quickly. Of course this is done under the premise of 'free speech'.

Mad Finn

Who'd want to listen to these old Me Feiner armchair republicans anyway?

As the reviewer once wisely said many years ago: "More wolf than tone."

BraziliaNZ

God some asshole put about 10 Wolfe Tone songs on the duke box in a bar the other night and we were nearly about to leave, such silly music!

dlofnep

Wolftones are classic! Saw Derek play in Cork. Original Wolfies are better though. They should all make friends again

pikachucheeks

dlofnep wrote: »

Wolftones are classic! Saw Derek play in Cork. Original Wolfies are better though. They should all make friends again

The Wolfetones are based on hatred. If they can't hate the English, seemingly they'll turn on each other each other.

Rebelheart

dlofnep wrote: »

Wolftones are classic! Saw Derek play in Cork. Original Wolfies are better though. They should all make friends again

I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. This was much nastier than the De Dannan one yesterday as Derek Warfield's wife and daughter had died. Derek said Brian refused to attend the funeral but it transpired that Brian attended and was turned away at the door on the instructions of Derek. Byrne and Nangle also got stuck in over the phone, as did Derek Warfield's daughter. Not pleasant stuff.

dlofnep

pikachucheeks wrote: »

The Wolfetones are based on hatred. If they can't hate the English, seemigly they'll turn on each other each other.

No, they're not. They are based on having the craic. I like them, couldn't give a sack if you do or not.

dlofnep

Rebelheart wrote: »

I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. This was much nastier than the De Dannan one yesterday as Derek Warfield's wife and daughter had died. Derek said Brian refused to attend the funeral but it transpired that Brian attended and was turned away at the door on the instructions of Derek. Byrne and Nangle also got stuck in over the phone, as did Derek Warfield's daughter. Not pleasant stuff.

Bad stuff that. The band that Derek goes around with just isn't the same. They are good like, but not the same.

brummytom

I'm not supposed to like the Wolfe Tones for obvious reasons :P but I still do...

Their argument on the LLS with Fintan O'Toole a few years back was great

3hn2givr7mx1sc

The Wolf Tones are legends! My favourite type of music by far.

prinz

dlofnep wrote: »

No, they're not. They are based on having the craic. I like them, couldn't give a sack if you do or not.

If by craic, you mean spouting rabble rousing crap for knuckle dragging halfwits then you're on the button. Wolfe Tone would spin in his grave to hear what his name has been linked to.

Nodin

prinz wrote: »

If by craic,(...)halfwits

Now now, its not an Elgar recital....

Robbo

Is there some kind of Armalite/balaclava symbol that gets projected against a cloud and a red telephone rings giving a recognised codeword and listing a "legitimate target"? You boys move fast.

kavoweb

guilty pleasure no.27 listening to the wolfetones on a sunday morning peelin' shhpuds.

rossie1977

pikachucheeks wrote: »

The Wolfetones are based on hatred. If they can't hate the English, seemigly they'll turn on each other each other.

i am no republican but seriously what you claim is wrong, highlight wolfe tones songs that preach hatred, yes 80% of their songs have a strong republican theme, but hatred, really??

terrible hatred here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAT96tf0lkY

Rebelheart

Nodin wrote: »

Now now, its not an Elgar recital....

hehe, how very true: small doses only. Yeah, Elgar one of the greats of classical music squeezed into every collection of "great" composers promoted by English newspapers like the Sunday Times. Talk about nationalism gone mad.

I saw the Wolfe Tones in the Temple Theatre in 1999 the night before the Meath-Dublin match so I wore me An Mhí jersey, the only one in a sea of blue as it happened so they were taking the piss out of me. Great, great craic though.

I also attend opera and classical music across Europe a couple of times a year, and regularly end up in the peace of St Ann's Church on Dawson Street for the Bach cantatas and other baroque pieces. I love Church music, particularly Bach's Passions.

prinz

Robbo wrote: »

Is there some kind of Armalite/balaclava symbol that gets projected against a cloud and a red telephone rings giving a recognised codeword and listing a "legitimate target"? You boys move fast.

Isn't that how the Wolfe Tones advertised thier concerts? :pac:

brummytom

rossie1977 wrote: »

i am no republican but seriously what you claim is wrong, highlight wolfe tones songs that preach hatred, yes 80% of their songs have a strong republican theme, but hatred, really??

terrible hatred here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAT96tf0lkY

Wow.. how strange, I was listening to a version of that about an hour ago by The Quare Fellows (Dublin City Ramblers).. strange.

That tune's a real one for Republican songs isn't it - the orange and the green, rising of the moon, wearing of the great? :P

Rebelheart

What's the betting that the same people who frown upon the political aspect of Wolfe Tones music will be good British royalists and stand up when the 'Hallelujah' Chorus of Handel's Messiah begins? Hmmm.

goldenbrown

impressive radio when joe got these 2 brothers to say hi after..7 years bitterness...

however what if your happiness depended on being free from a toxic sibling?/?//:eek:

prinz

Rebelheart wrote: »

What's the betting that the same people who frown upon the political aspect of Wolfe Tones music will be good British royalists and stand up when the 'Hallelujah' Chorus of Handel's Messiah begins? Hmmm.

So because someone thinks the Wolfe Tones are nothing but wasters peddling nonsense to armchair generals about "the auld enemy", they are obviously British/West Brit/royalists etc. How original, I never would have expected that to be the most intelligent comeback. Ever. How original. And it only took 24 posts, magic.

Rebelheart

prinz wrote: »

So because someone thinks the Wolfe Tones are nothing but wasters peddling nonsense to armchair generals about "the auld enemy", they are obviously British/West Brit/royalists etc. How original, I never would have expected that to be the most intelligent comeback. Ever. How original. And it only took 24 posts, magic.

Touchy subject eh, Kevin Myers? So we can take it that you do indeed stand up when the Hallelujah chorus is played.

pikachucheeks

rossie1977 wrote: »

i am no republican but seriously what you claim is wrong, highlight wolfe tones songs that preach hatred, yes 80% of their songs have a strong republican theme, but hatred, really??

Of course they promote hatred! They're praising the IRA - a terrorist organisation.

They also sing about coffin ships, The Rising, the pain Irish people went through, at the hands of the English, sparking memories for people and keeping bias, stereotype and hatred very much alive.

I find their lyrics to be full of hypocrisy - Singing about the pain of things they never experienced! Wailing about their tortured past and warfare.

I just find them to be a very backward, negative set of musicians. Sure, it's fine to love your country - but God Bless Ireland shouldn't translate into God Hate England.

As for The Orange song, I'm not defending that either.

Wazdakka

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Stuff...

Meh.. To each there own.
That's more than half the point of any artform.

I think they're good.

pikachucheeks

Wazdakka wrote: »

Meh.. To each there own.
That's more than half the point of any artform.

I think they're good.

Each to their own? I wasn't trying to say people couldn't have their own opinion.

My point was that I'm not in the least surprised that The Wolfetones are fighting, considering their lyrics and the nature of their music.

Nodin

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Of course they promote hatred! They're praising the IRA - a terrorist organisation. .

O Noes!!!!!!!

pikachucheeks wrote: »

I find their lyrics to be full of hypocrisy - Singing about the pain of things they never experienced! Wailing about their tortured past and warfare..

So you'd walk into a Public Enemy gig and when they start Can't Truss It with 'it started in slave ships...' you'll pipe up and tell the assembled masses that they've no business going on about it. Good man.

Robbo

3 pages and no one's said "West Brit"? Is this a record or some kind of diktat from the Internet Army Council?

Wazdakka

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Each to their own? I wasn't trying to say people couldn't have their own opinion.

My point was that I'm not in the least surprised that The Wolfetones are fighting, considering their lyrics and the nature of their music.

Fair enough, Guess I misunderstood.

So you think that the type of music that they sung, on a topic that they all obviously felt very passionately about, has something to do with their fighting?

I think whatever has gotten into the media aside, the only people who know why they are really fighting is them.

prinz

Robbo wrote: »

3 pages and no one's said "West Brit"? Is this a record or some kind of diktat from the Internet Army Council?

Well in fairness we had British Royalists.......

Rebelheart

Robbo wrote: »

3 pages and no one's said "West Brit"? Is this a record or some kind of diktat from the Internet Army Council?

Re-read. I believe one poster decided to inadvertently make an admission, even though nobody was actually talking about the issue. But there you go.

Jim236

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Of course they promote hatred! They're praising the IRA - a terrorist organisation.

lol you sh*te on about being biassed against the English, but you're more than happy to go along with the clearly biassed attitude of Sky News and The Sun against Republicanism? Theres nothing more ironic than a hypocrit moaning about hypocrisy.

The IRA weren't terrorists, no more so than the British Army anyway. They may have employed terror tactics during their campaign but for most of the troubles(up until Omagh), their aim wasn't to kill civilians so its hardly fair to put them in the same boat as the Taliban and Al'Qaeda. The IRA's campaign in the North was no less legitimate than the IRB/ICA/IRA campaign leading up to and following the 1916 Rising which our country now commemorates every year, and rightly so.

They also sing about coffin ships, The Rising, the pain Irish people went through, at the hands of the English, sparking memories for people and keeping bias, stereotype and hatred very much alive.

You can't incite hatred through a song, so stop exaggerating. Why shouldn't they sing about that stuff? Those issues are as relevant today as they were 100 years ago.

I find their lyrics to be full of hypocrisy - Singing about the pain of things they never experienced! Wailing about their tortured past and warfare.

In fairness, you could say the same about 90% of artists out there. Going by your logic though, because none of us have ever suffered from hunger or starvation, we shouldn't give a toss about the famine...

mike65

Music for Irish pikeys

Wazdakka

Jim236 wrote: »

The IRA weren't terrorists, no more so than the British Army anyway.

LIES!!!

The British Army are MUCH bigger terrorists

pikachucheeks

Nodin wrote: »

So you'd walk into a Public Enemy gig and when they start Can't Truss It with 'it started in slave ships...' you'll pipe up and tell the assembled masses that they've no business going on about it. Good man.

Firstly, I'm a woman. So don't "Good man" me.

And secondly, Public Enemy has nothing to do with this. I'm simply saying, in relation to news that The Wolfe Tones are fighting, I'm not surprised. They're a very hateful band, in my opinion, having listening to their songs and their lyrics.

I wouldn't go to a gig of a band I didn't like trying to "tell" people anything. If people want to like and support that band, that's their choice.

My point regarding the Wolfe Tone's lyrics is that they sing of Irish History as if they experienced it first-hand.

"It started in slave ships" doesn't assume the band believe they were in those ships themselves.

DamoDLK

Eh Speaking of Joe Duffy, does anybody know what happened his podcast. seems to have stopped there 31st July???

dlofnep

prinz wrote: »

If by craic, you mean spouting rabble rousing crap for knuckle dragging halfwits then you're on the button. Wolfe Tone would spin in his grave to hear what his name has been linked to.

LOL.

The good old West-Brit mentality, of labelling everyone as knuckle-draggers for listening to a few ballads. I'd be surprised if you could see the ground from way up on your horse there.

prinz

dlofnep wrote: »

LOL.
The good old West-Brit mentality....

Sorry Robbo. It was good while it lasted...:(..
Accused of being a British royalist I can handle.... but not West-Brit :eek:

Mad Finn

Rebelheart wrote: »

Touchy subject eh, Kevin Myers? So we can take it that you do indeed stand up when the Hallelujah chorus is played.

Er. What the **** has the Hallelelujah chorus got to do with the British Royals?

It's a piece written in praise of the Messiah by a German and first performed in Dublin. The tradition of standing up for the Hallelujah Chorus, I believe, dates back to its first performance when the audience was so impressed they all stood up and sang along, which was quite an outlandish thing to do in the 18th century.

Course they didn't have lighters and mobile phones to wave in the air back then.....

Nodin

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Firstly, I'm a woman. So don't "Good man" me..

I'm sorry, I didn't consult my Crystal Gender Detector before posting.

pikachucheeks wrote: »

And secondly, Public Enemy has nothing to do with this. I'm simply saying, in relation to news that The Wolfe Tones are fighting, I'm not surprised. They're a very hateful band, in my opinion, having listening to their songs and their lyrics...

Its a traditional form of music. They just happen to specialise in "rebel" songs more so than others.

Also, never go to a Slayer gig.

pikachucheeks wrote: »

My point regarding the Wolfe Tone's lyrics is that they sing of Irish History as if they experienced it first-hand.

"It started in slave ships" doesn't assume the band believe they were in those ships themselves.

Its sung in the first person in places, yes.....

90 F--kin' days on a slave ship
Count 'em fallin' off 2, 3, 4 hun'ed at a time
Blood in the wood and it's mine
I'm chokin' on spit feelin' pain
Like my brain bein' chained
Still gotta give it what I got
But it's hot in the day, cold in the night
But I thrive to survive, I pray to god to stay alive
Attitude boils up inside
And that ain't it (think I'll every quit)
Still I pray to get my hands 'round
The neck of the man wit' the whip
3 months pass, they brand a label on my ass
To signify
Owned

http://www.publicenemy.com/index.php?page=page5&item=4&num=4

rossie1977

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Of course they promote hatred! They're praising the IRA - a terrorist organisation.

They also sing about coffin ships, The Rising, the pain Irish people went through, at the hands of the English, sparking memories for people and keeping bias, stereotype and hatred very much alive.

wtf, the irish goverment held a special 90th anniversay 1916 ceremony 3 years ago, you can expect a big one in 2016, next you will be telling me they and dublin city council are promoting hatred too http://www.dublincity.ie/RECREATIONANDCULTURE/LIBRARIES/HERITAGE%20AND%20HISTORY/DUBLIN%20CITY%20ARCHIVES/COLLECTIONS%20POST%201840/Pages/1916_90th_anniversary.aspx

you don't need the wolfe tones to hear stuff like 800 years, blah blah blah in pubs all around the country on a saturday night, were the wolfe tones to blame for the peace parade gone wrong a few years ago

AnonoBoy

Jim236 wrote: »

The IRA weren't terrorists, no more so than the British Army anyway. They may have employed terror tactics during their campaign but for most of the troubles(up until Omagh), their aim wasn't to kill civilians.

So what you're saying is: except for all the times that they did kill innocent civilians* they weren't trying to do it, therefore they weren't terrorists. Gotcha.

* A few of the 'exceptions':
Claudy 1972 - 9 civilians dead
La Mon Restaurant 1978 - 12 civilians dead
Enniskillen 1987 - 10 civilians dead
Liverpool 1993 - 2 civilians dead
Omagh - 1998 - 27 civilians dead

Robbo

prinz wrote: »

Sorry Robbo. It was good while it lasted...:(..
Accused of being a British royalist I can handle.... but not West-Brit :eek:

Threads with a whiff of semtex never disappoint.

Jim236

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So what you're saying is: except for all the times that they did kill innocent civilians* they weren't trying to do it, therefore they weren't terrorists. Gotcha.

I'm saying the IRA weren't 'terrorists'. Out of curiousity, do you consider the British Army/UDR 'terrorists'?

* A few of the 'exceptions':
Claudy 1972 - 9 civilians dead
La Mon Restaurant 1978 - 12 civilians dead
Enniskillen 1987 - 10 civilians dead
Liverpool 1993 - 2 civilians dead
Omagh - 1998 - 27 civilians dead

The IRA never claimed the Claudy bombing, and as for the rest the IRA's policy was to give advanced warning ahead of the bombing to allow civilians to evacuate because they weren't out to kill for the sake of killing, they were out to damage the economy, particularly in Britain. I'm not gonna justify them because civilians were killed in all them which was wrong, especially the Omagh one, but I wouldn't include that in the period I'm talking about. The Omagh bombing was the catalyst of a provo split and whatever about all attacks before it, the RIRA were clearly out to kill that day.

As for the Enniskillen bombing, theres proof that the IRA rang the RUC ahead to warn of it, and the RUC purposely didn't pass the warning on. At the time, the IRA had support across the island, and the RUC/British Government knew the only way they'd lose support was if civilians died, and it worked to some extent, the IRA lost a lot of support in the 26 counties after it.

Rebelheart

Mad Finn wrote: »

Er. What the **** has the Hallelelujah chorus got to do with the British Royals?

It's a piece written in praise of the Messiah by a German and first performed in Dublin. The tradition of standing up for the Hallelujah Chorus, I believe, dates back to its first performance when the audience was so impressed they all stood up and sang along, which was quite an outlandish thing to do in the 18th century.

Course they didn't have lighters and mobile phones to wave in the air back then.....

Language, Timothy. Must research better, like: hallelujah chorus standing "George II":


http://www.google.ie/search?hl=ga&q=hallelujah+chorus+standing+%22George+II%22&btnG=Cuardaigh&meta=

AnonoBoy

Jim236 wrote: »

I'm saying the IRA weren't 'terrorists'.

I'm saying they were. I'm in no way saying that they were the only organisations engaged in terrorist activities but they were still terrorists.

Advance warnings don't absolve you from blame when people die.

JP Liz

I prefer Brian, Noel and Tommy the original Wolfe Tones