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Bono is a Wanker

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    #92
    orourkeda
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    pokerface_me wrote: »
    Yeah there is thousands who forgot there roots.

    But they don't spend there spare time Preaching to us and telling us how things should be done.

    Yeah the third world thing is awlful, Last time i checked there was people dying on trollies in the A+E, children going to school in damp prefabs, bankers robbing us blind, childrens wards getting closed, cancer units closing......no not in Calcutta, but right here in Ireland.......yet BONO wants us to send all our money to Africa, while his is tucked away nicely in some tax haven. The man is cracker jackers.

    I'm sure he does a lot of decent work behind it all but he kind of spoils it with the preaching.


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    #93
    orourkeda
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    takeda shingen wrote: »
    how many fingers am i holding up?

    Is this going somewhere? Can we just get the insults out of the way?


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    #94
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    jumpguy wrote: »
    Yeh, in proportion to the amount of riff-raff that comes in and out of the charts every day, that isn't alot.

    That list doesn't include bigger bands that are no longer together including The Beatles. I'd say there's at least two billion record sales attributed to the artists on my list, you can't deny that's quite a bit.
    Also, you seem to disregarding my other points. U2 also had "The Irish Factor".

    That's not a factor overseas. Nobody cares about their nationality beyond a small minority of native Irish people and some Irish-Americans. Otherwise, they were just another band.


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    #95
    pokerface_me
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭pokerface_me


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I'm sure he does a lot of decent work behind it all but he kind of spoils it with the preaching.

    Very true, but the whole cancel third world debt thing, with tax-payers money, which he is not, is kinda insulting.


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    #96
    takeda shingen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭takeda shingen


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Is this going somewhere? Can we just get the insults out of the way?

    No we cant. you are they most juvenile person ive come across here. you can say someone does a lot of good work behind the scenes yet RUINS it by talking and encouraging people to support good causes. Thats contradictory


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    #97
    procure11
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    U2 are actually Irelands second largest brand after Guinness. They contribute to Irelands image because they have used their "Irishness" in the past to help them. Coldplay haven't branded themselves as "English" per se. A better comaprison woild be Oasis, they similarly carry the brand of Manchester with them.

    Are you honestly( with a straight face...if I might add) suggesting that U2 exhibiting their irishness had anything to do with their success....Absolutely NOT!!!!.They are a very talented group and their music is appreciated/enjoyed across nations.
    Tbh..they are loved for their music,inclination towards social justice/equity with their Irishness coming a far third/last.


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    #98
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    great irish band???

    but they're not irish *except for Larry they're west brits

    did you ever hear adam clayton talking...you'd swear he just stepped off the boat from england


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    #99
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    pokerface_me wrote: »
    Yeah there is thousands who forgot there roots.

    But they don't spend there spare time Preaching to us and telling us how things should be done.

    Yeah the third world thing is awlful, Last time i checked there was people dying on trollies in the A+E, children going to school in damp prefabs, bankers robbing us blind, childrens wards getting closed, cancer units closing......no not in Calcutta, but right here in Ireland.......yet BONO wants us to send all our money to Africa, while his is tucked away nicely in some tax haven. The man is cracker jackers.
    So he should give the government more money to give to the banks while they still happily cut all these services anyway because of their own misconduct?

    And I could be wrong with this, but has he every actually been telling people to give money with his preaching?(well I dont mean during a benefit or telethon.Every celeb is guilty of those ones). All the things I can remember were about petitions,campaigns you dont donate too and getting rid of 3rd world debt not sending money to help it


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    #100
    orourkeda
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    pokerface_me wrote: »
    Very true, but the whole cancel third world debt thing, with tax-payers money, which he is not, is kinda insulting.

    True


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    #101
    galwayrush
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    fryup wrote: »
    great irish band???

    but they're not irish *except for Larry they're west brits

    did you ever hear adam clayton talking...you'd swear he just stepped off the boat from england

    I think it's well past time for people to be using the term West Brits.:rolleyes:


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    #102
    orourkeda
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    takeda shingen wrote: »
    No we cant. you are they most juvenile person ive come across here. you can say someone does a lot of good work behind the scenes yet RUINS it by talking and encouraging people to support good causes. Thats contradictory

    I'm saying the way he goes about it is condescending in the extreme. He is a musician after all not some moral crusader and he should remember that its music that keeps him in the limelight. He should concentrate on this and leave politics to politicians


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    #103
    orourkeda
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    So he should give the government more money to give to the banks while they still happily cut all these services anyway because of their own misconduct?

    And I could be wrong with this, but has he every actually been telling people to give money with his preaching?(well I dont mean during a benefit or telethon.Every celeb is guilty of those ones). All the things I can remember were about petitions,campaigns you dont donate too and getting rid of 3rd world debt not sending money to help it

    Do you expect us to pay the banks on his behalf


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    #104
    oppenheimer1
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    procure11 wrote: »
    Are you honestly( with a straight face...if I might add) suggesting that U2 exhibiting their irishness had anything to do with their success....Absolutely NOT!!!!.They are a very talented group and their music is appreciated/enjoyed across nations.
    Tbh..they are loved for their music,inclination towards social justice/equity with their Irishness coming a far third/last.


    Yes I am. It may have only been a miniscule part compared to the music but it was present. I'm not saying that if the music was poor they could use the crutch of their irishness to get by either. If the four lads were French I'd be saying the same thing about their Frenchiness. Because of the music and to a lesser extent, their Irishness, has an appeal to some people.


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    #105
    takeda shingen
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    I'm saying the way he goes about it is condescending in the extreme. He is a musician after all not some moral crusader and he should remember that its music that keeps him in the limelight. He should concentrate on this and leave politics to politicians

    the politicians dont seem to be doing a very good job of it lately....


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    #106
    pokerface_me
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    So he should give the government more money to give to the banks while they still happily cut all these services anyway because of their own misconduct?

    I have to give it every week out of my wages without choice, why shouldn't he.


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    #107
    galwayrush
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    leave politics to politicians

    That hasn't worked out too well in this country.:rolleyes:


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    #108
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Do you expect us to pay the banks on his behalf
    Do the 3rd world have any debt with us?


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    #109
    takeda shingen
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    pokerface_me wrote: »
    I have to give it every week out of my wages without choice, why shouldn't he.

    He has the choice so fair play to him


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    #110
    orourkeda
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    takeda shingen wrote: »
    the politicians dont seem to be doing a very good job of it lately....

    Thats why bono's not a politician


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    #111
    orourkeda
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    Do the 3rd world have any debt with us?

    Every country has debt


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    #112
    Professey Chin
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    pokerface_me wrote: »
    I have to give it every week out of my wages without choice, why shouldn't he.
    He personally does.Not every week but as a resident he has to file a tax return.
    Its the U2 brand thats based outside of Ireland.Its a business and like every smart business it maximises its profits.
    People really need to understand that Bono is part of the band U2 but doesnt = the business U2


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    #113
    rossie1977
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    pokerface_me wrote: »
    What about the earnings that do come from Ireland?? TAXFREE.

    what about these other artists that don't pay tax, people like mary black http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mary-black-gets-taxfree-artist-status-128868.html


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    #114
    oppenheimer1
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    And I could be wrong with this, but has he every actually been telling people to give money with his preaching?(well I dont mean during a benefit or telethon.Every celeb is guilty of those ones). All the things I can remember were about petitions,campaigns you dont donate too and getting rid of 3rd world debt not sending money to help it

    Hes doing worse, hes asking governments to spend money on third world countries when they could be better spending that money at home. It wouldn't be as bad if he were looking for people to donate as they would have a choice with what they do with their disposable income. However we all pay tax (apart from Elevation Partners) so are compelled to donate to this cause if Governments cave to his petitioning. I am thankful to say they haven't.


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    #115
    pokerface_me
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    takeda shingen wrote: »
    He has the choice so fair play to him

    Yes he does and thats why he should stop the preaching, he decides not to contribute finacially, but wants to change the way the Country is been run


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    #116
    Professey Chin
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    Every country has debt
    I got mixed up.
    I thought you were saying that we would have to pay the 3rd worlds debt if its written off.


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    #117
    pokerface_me
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    what about these other artists that don't pay tax, people like mary black http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mary-black-gets-taxfree-artist-status-128868.html

    Haven't noticed any of them recently in the White house and sending letters to the G8 summit to gets debts cancelled with TAXPAYERS money.


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    #118
    oppenheimer1
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    I got mixed up.
    I thought you were saying that we would have to pay the 3rd worlds debt if its written off.

    We would. If the debt is written off then we wouldn't get that money back. Therefore Ireland loses income and the shortfall would have to be breached with increased taxes.


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    #119
    Professey Chin
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Hes doing worse, hes asking governments to spend money on third world countries when they could be better spending that money at home. It wouldn't be as bad if he were looking for people to donate as they would have a choice with what they do with their disposable income. However we all pay tax (apart from Elevation Partners) so are compelled to donate to this cause if Governments cave to his petitioning. I am thankful to say they haven't.
    This I wouldnt actually care about until I see where the moneys not being used.If its being diverted from esential services then id be angry.Diverted from usual government reckless spending and expenses then all the better


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    #120
    Professey Chin
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    We would. If the debt is written off then we wouldn't get that money back. Therefore Ireland loses income and the shortfall would have to be breached with increased taxes.
    But how much are we owed by 3rd world nations then?


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    #121
    pokerface_me
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    He personally does.Not every week but as a resident he has to file a tax return.
    Its the U2 brand thats based outside of Ireland.Its a business and like every smart business it maximises its profits.
    People really need to understand that Bono is part of the band U2 but doesnt = the business U2

    Haven't seen Larry, the Edge or Mr Clayton preaching recently.


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