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    #3512
    Smoked Tuna
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Smoked Tuna


    Metro North, Dart Underground will go ahead, says Ross

    From the Irish Times.

    Seems like usual, all talk, no action anytime soon.


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    #3513
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,546 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    It's a bit like saying that California will have another massive earthquake...yeah no ****, but when?


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    #3514
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Minister for Transport says projects are part of ‘long-term vision’, have not been ‘shelved’

    Ah, long-term vision. You might be interested in this 1985 podcast including plans for the plans for cycleways along Dublin's rivers and canals "if there is the vision"… http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2013/0527/647427-radio-documentary-bicycle-bell-bike-saddle-jim-lockhart/


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    #3515
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What's this going to go towards?
    Outlining his department’s “long-term vision”, Mr Ross said in the short term the State would spend €595 million on transport this year.


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    #3516
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,581 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's this going to go towards?

    PSO subsidy
    New buses for Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann PSO fleets
    City Centre resignalling project
    Phoenix Park Tunnel


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    #3517
    Floodzie
    Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Floodzie


    The Luas Green Line enabled a large amount of house/apartment building along its line as well as commercial development (Sandyford, Dundrum town centre). The Dart Underground would do for West Dublin what the Green Line did for South Dublin. Surely there is a potential partnership between developers/business and government on this? I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that this is what happened with the Green Line?


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    #3518
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Transport money also goes towards mending roads (not around here, mind), fixing signage, building new roads, buying replacements for decrepit buses etc…


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    #3519
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    The existential question if something is postponed for all time is it really cancelled or still just postponed?


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    #3520
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The existential question if something is postponed for all time is it really cancelled or still just postponed?

    Perhaps it's Schrödinger's Faoi Thalamh?


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    #3521
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Smoked Tuna wrote: »
    Metro North, Dart Underground will go ahead, says Ross

    From the Irish Times.

    Seems like usual, all talk, no action anytime soon.

    I watched it live this morning. A woeful contribution from Ross. He looked about as interested as a cod in a chip shop. MN and DU were mere fleeting moments. The committee were only interested is the usual guff.


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    #3522
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Smoked Tuna wrote: »
    Metro North, Dart Underground will go ahead, says Ross

    From the Irish Times.

    and I am married to a Transgender Bigfoot from Sirius.

    No, really!


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    #3523
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    and I am married to a Transgender Bigfoot from Sirius.

    No, really!

    Well she or he is having an affair!:D


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    #3524
    medoc
    Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭medoc


    Just got the latest quarterly Crossrail email update. Every time I get one it makes me sad that we haven't the vision in this country politically or publicly to want this type of infrastructure. And Dart underground or Metro North aren't even in the same league as Crossrail. But for what either would do for Dublin they are.


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    #3525
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I see that the NTA has put forward a plan to close the Merrion gates and build a flyover near by.

    The Journal has it here.

    t basically what I thought might happen once DU was essentially cancelled, they're breaking it down into smaller parts and dealing with them as seperate projects. I'd imagine that all the level crossings that are required to be removed for DU will be infrastructure projects over the next few year, until eventually they can come back with a "revised" DU.


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    #3526
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,581 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    CatInABox wrote: »
    I see that the NTA has put forward a plan to close the Merrion gates and build a flyover near by.

    The Journal has it here.

    t basically what I thought might happen once DU was essentially cancelled, they're breaking it down into smaller parts and dealing with them as seperate projects. I'd imagine that all the level crossings that are required to be removed for DU will be infrastructure projects over the next few year, until eventually they can come back with a "revised" DU.



    This is being done as part of the East Coast Cycle Route Project rather than as a rail based project.


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    #3527
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,581 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Deedsie wrote: »
    It's a rail based project in that it will improve rail times, remove the regular trucks and cars hitting the Merrion gates. It is an infrastructure project in that it will remove a traffic pinch point and provide a safe route for cyclists.

    Also a tourism project in that it will be a major part of a Dublin Bay Greenway.

    The point I was making is that it is not coming from Irish Rail or the rail budget - it's part of the cycle scheme.

    That's an important difference in these days of having to fight for funding.


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    #3528
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Can we please continue chat about the Merrion Gates in this thread I have purposely created for the scheme :)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057663978


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    #3529
    D.L.R.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Merrion Gates isn't on the DU route. Still, great news for the Dart system.


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    #3530
    Middle Man
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    D.L.R. wrote: »
    Merrion Gates isn't on the DU route. Still, great news for the Dart system.
    The DU will facilitate the creation of two major DART lines - Hazelhatch to Balbriggan/Drogheda (via the proposed tunnel) and Bray/Greystones to Maynooth (via the Loop Line). LCs are the main restriction on capacity regarding the latter route.


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    #3531
    D.L.R.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Middle Man wrote: »
    The DU will facilitate the creation of two major DART lines - Hazelhatch to Balbriggan/Drogheda (via the proposed tunnel) and Bray/Greystones to Maynooth (via the Loop Line). LCs are the main restriction on capacity regarding the latter route.

    Right, DU is on the other route but all 4 branches have capacity issues.


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    #3532
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    D.L.R. wrote: »
    Right, DU is on the other route but all 4 branches have capacity issues.

    The project was to include the rolling stock for and electrification of Maynooth as well as crossing closures on all


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    #3533
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Not sure if it has been posted before but there's an article on todays indo about scaling back the plans.
    I know it's a huge capital expenditure but when will the powers that be learn that building half arsed projects only costs more in long term. Build it right from the start.

    Dart Underground plan scaled down to slash costs

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dart-underground-plan-scaled-down-to-slash-costs-35174679.html


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    #3534
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    jvan wrote: »
    Not sure if it has been posted before but there's an article on todays indo about scaling back the plans.
    I know it's a huge capital expenditure but when will the powers that be learn that building half arsed projects only costs more in long term. Build it right from the start.

    Dart Underground plan scaled down to slash costs

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dart-underground-plan-scaled-down-to-slash-costs-35174679.html

    Do we ever learn in this country?

    Let's build a half arsed solution to save pennies and then come back and pay millions to rectify the mistake. (M50, Cork South Ring Road responsible for 1.4bn in the last 10 years alone)


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    #3535
    MrMorooka
    Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭MrMorooka


    jvan wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dart-underground-plan-scaled-down-to-slash-costs-35174679.html
    But the project was shelved in 2015 amid concern that passenger numbers would not materialise.

    What revisionist twaddle is this?


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    #3536
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭prunudo


    MrMorooka wrote: »
    What revisionist twaddle is this?

    Short sighted pr crap from government ministers who don't have the will or guts to back infrastructure projects that will only enhance the country.


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    #3537
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,581 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    jvan wrote: »
    Short sighted pr crap from government ministers who don't have the will or guts to back infrastructure projects that will only enhance the country.

    But those words are those of the journalist Paul Melia who should know better.


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    #3538
    Bray Head
    Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bray Head


    This story is pure bank holiday space filler, no?
    I can't find anything new in it.
    Repetition of one of the most bizarre ideas I have ever seen: the 'cul de sac' tunnel to Pearse too.


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    #3539
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭prunudo


    lxflyer wrote: »
    But those words are those of the journalist Paul Melia who should know better.

    Sorry, thought it was paraphrasing the reason given in 2015


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    #3540
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Don't worry folks. They won't build even this half assed thing.


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    #3541
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    You are right. They won't.


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