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So, what you playing at the mo? Retro Edition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,206 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Tchoin wrote: »
    WinTrek! Been about 25 years since I played it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    I just finished A Link to the Past for the first time this past week.

    I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but it's easily the most overhyped Zelda IMO. Maybe at the time of release it was incredible, but lots of people list it in their top 5 Zelda's to this day and I just think they've got those slightly pink glasses on ;)

    The combat is awful, and hard. It's not hard in a well designed challenging way, its hard because its over-simplistic and hitboxes seem to be all over the place. Dungeons will dump you right back at the start, no portal jumping like in A Link between Worlds. Same goes for most bossfights, which is ludicrous. Save states were my friend here. I wouldn't have finished the game without them.
    I also don't accept that it's that way simply because its an old game; Mario has been fun, well designed and challenging since day 1. It also really highlights a number of really bad design decisions in the series overall; why oh why do they have that hideously annoying beeping in Zelda's if your health is low? I know its low, I can see how low it is! The beeping is incredibly distracting, especially if you have to go a long way to find a heart. And hearts only seem to spawn for me when I have a full meter :P Also; there really should be hidden rooms in Dungeons where there's somebody selling potions; too many times I roll up to a boss' front door only to realize all my bottles are empty.

    I really liked A Link Between Worlds, though. Still suffers a bit from the design of the original but Nintendo have obviously learned a lot in the interim.

    From what I've played, IMO, it goes Wind Waker>Majora's Mask>Ocarina of Time>Skyward Sword>A Link Between Worlds>Minish Cap>>>Twilight Princess>>>Phantom Hourglass>>>A Link to the Past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,547 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Wright wrote: »
    I just finished A Link to the Past for the first time this past week.

    I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but it's easily the most overhyped Zelda IMO. Maybe at the time of release it was incredible, but lots of people list it in their top 5 Zelda's to this day and I just think they've got those slightly pink glasses on ;)

    You are, quite clearly, insane :pac:

    Wright wrote: »
    The combat is awful, and hard. It's not hard in a well designed challenging way, its hard because its over-simplistic and hitboxes seem to be all over the place. Dungeons will dump you right back at the start, no portal jumping like in A Link between Worlds. Same goes for most bossfights, which is ludicrous. Save states were my friend here. I wouldn't have finished the game without them.

    Hard does not equal bad. I suggest maybe upping your skill instead rather than taking it out on the game. ;)

    A Link Between Worlds was absolutely fantastic and I loved it, but it's far too easy.
    Wright wrote: »
    I also don't accept that it's that way simply because its an old game; Mario
    has been fun, well designed and challenging since day 1.

    As too, is ALTTP. The only complaint you really have so far is that it's 'too hard' - something which rests with the player, not the game. If I could finish it when I was 8 years old it's clearly not too hard.
    Wright wrote: »
    It also really highlights a number of really bad design decisions in the series overall; why oh why do they have that hideously annoying beeping in Zelda's if your health is low? I know its low, I can see how low it is! The beeping is incredibly distracting, especially if you have to go a long way to find a heart.

    So you're saying it highlights a number of bad decisions in all Zelda games, but mention one sound niggle. One that's in all Zelda games.
    Wright wrote: »
    too many times I roll up to a boss' front door only to realize all my bottles are empty.

    Let me hark back to my previous comments about the issue being your skills and not the game :pac: You should be able to plan ahead and have all of your health ready to go. It's not the game's fault.
    Wright wrote: »
    I really liked A Link Between Worlds, though. Still suffers a bit from the design of the original but Nintendo have obviously learned a lot in the interim.

    So did I, but as I said, it's far too easy. The main thing I took from that aspect that Nintendo 'learned' is that apparently people aren't as good at games as they used to be.

    So in summary, hard does not equal bad, it just means you need to up your game.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Hard does not equal bad.

    Not sure why people should go to the trouble of detailing 'why' they don't like thing if it's not going to be absorbed at all and have an unapplicable 'git gud' 'argument' thrown in.

    mod edit

    No, hard does not equal bad. 'Not designed well' equals bad. Take Shadow of Mordor, which I'm playing now. It's hard enough. But in a very engaging way, with a sense of accomplishment when you do well.

    From Ocarina onwards, great gameplay, great and decently varied combat. But AlttP plays, well, like its NES predecessor. The combat mechanics could and should've been updated. You carry around a shield, and it sends back magic (sometimes). Should've got a block button in there. Would've helped a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    Wright wrote: »
    Try to keep the trollish ****posts to yourself please.

    Well that escalated quickly. Bit harsh i think.

    I think it is a great game and i also completed it while very young. So difficulty wise i cant agree with your earlier statments.

    I do find the low health sound annoying but its a minor issue. Some fairies in a bottle should be in reserve.

    You do seem to have played all the zeldas so you have more experience in the area, i have only completed 3.
    Maybe it is a rose tinted glasses scenario....


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    A Link to the Past is different from the later games as Super Mario World is different from Super Mario Galaxy.
    But the LoZ title is never unfair, imho, though I have yet to finish it.
    It is possibly the first "modern" LoZ title too, with much of the mechanics, landscapes and themes laid out in it and reused again and again throughout the following 23 years or so.
    Many might also argue that the development from the first LoZ on the NES to the Snes title represented an evolution that, Ocarina of Time aside, has never been equalled and that the franchise, largely since Majora's Mask, has become quite stale.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,403 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I found A link to the Past too easy but that's a minor complaint. Every Zelda game since other than Majoras has just been a remake of LTTP. I much prefer it to Ocarina which just feels a bit too janky for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,547 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I found A link to the Past too easy but that's a minor complaint..

    You sure? Apparently it's the Dark Souls of the 16 bit generation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭airmax87


    Dairus gaiden on the saturn ATM, can only get to zone G but it's the only shmup I've really really enjoyed.

    Looks and sounds great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Linoud


    Found my copy of Blue Stinger on Dreamcast. Gonna enjoy how cringey it is. :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭airmax87


    Linoud wrote: »
    Found my copy of Blue Stinger on Dreamcast. Gonna enjoy how cringey it is. :p

    actually about to fire up sega gt now


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Linoud wrote: »
    Found my copy of Blue Stinger on Dreamcast. Gonna enjoy how cringey it is. :p

    Don't do it, that game is dreadful.
    We have played it at forum Beers and it's so poor, just face palms everywhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭BGOllie


    Playing Children of Morta at the moment. I did the kick starter and the game is currently in pre-alpha. It's an rogue-like rpg . pretty nice and STUUUUNING!
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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,403 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Linoud wrote: »
    Found my copy of Blue Stinger on Dreamcast. Gonna enjoy how cringey it is. :p

    Christ steer clear. It might have the greatest videogame hero ever with Dogs Bower but you won't enjoy McGuffin hunting when the game actively puts these items in the last place you look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Currently playing Resident Evil: Code Veronica on The Dreamcast for the first time since purchasing the game way back when.

    Forgot how good it was at least for the time anyway.

    <shameless plug>I'll be continuing my playthrough this Sunday from 7pm on Epic Lan's Twitch channel. http://www.twitch.tv/epiclan </shameless plug>.

    :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Until that annoying teenage dope shows up, hated that kid!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Star Lord wrote: »
    Until that annoying teenage dope shows up, hated that kid!!!
    Steve?

    Yeah... I'll enjoy getting him killed plenty when I take over him later on in the game though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Linoud


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Don't do it, that game is dreadful.
    We have played it at forum Beers and it's so poor, just face palms everywhere

    I know how awful it is. :L I remember it from my childhood being awful. I love it though. :p


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Linoud wrote: »
    I know how awful it is. :L I remember it from my childhood being awful. I love it though. :p

    I remember it being one of the handful of games I had to play on my Japanese Dreamcast, which I bought at launch.
    Pen Pen Tricelon, Virtua Fighter 3 and Incoming all got played to death at the time, still have them.
    MSR though, for me the most awesome racing game, only supplanted by the recent Drive Club from much of the same development team, on the PS4.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    I remember it being one of the handful of games I had to play on my Japanese Dreamcast, which I bought at launch.
    Pen Pen Tricelon, Virtua Fighter 3 and Incoming all got played to death at the time, still have them.
    MSR though, for me the most awesome racing game, only supplanted by the recent Drive Club from much of the same development team, on the PS4.

    I find simulation games like that way too hard to play.

    Maybe I'm just getting old...


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,403 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I find them way too boring to play. GT was always Pokémon with cars without the fun. I'd much rather Sega blue skies, mastering the outrageous handling of a car while going stupidly fast around corners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,404 ✭✭✭Doge


    They're definitely not as fun, but if you're using a gamepad to play a Sim Racing game these days you're might as well be using waving your knob at the screen!

    A proper wheel and pedals set, i.e. a Logitech G27/G29 at minimum is what makes the experience.

    Gone are the days of gimmicky wheels like MADCATZ, and other rubbish!

    Euro Truck Simulator 2 has a really relaxing effect on the mind, good fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Doge wrote: »
    Euro Truck Simulator 2 has a really relaxing effect on the mind, good fun.

    I actually don't mine Euro Truck on the PC at all.

    I've been playing it on my main PC screen which is an older 32" TV. Playing with pedals and a wheel whilst sipping on a rum and coke feels all kinds of relaxing in a very strange way.

    That and you know... drinking and driving... wooo...


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Metropolis Street Racer on the DC was an excellent antidote to the track day sim, encouraging creative driving and with nice elements like radio stations and a real time day/night cycle.
    Nothing touched it until Drive Club.

    Outrun 2006: Coast to Coast is stunning, as is the Sega Rally conversion for the PS2.
    But an underrated gem is Shox, also on the PS2 not to mention the Battle Gear/Side by Side/Kaido racer series.
    Need for Speed on the 3DO, the third and fourth titles in the series on the PS and NfS Porsche Unleashed on PC, plus NfS: Hot Pursuit II on the PS2, incredible games, in particular the Porsche one on PC, well worth tracking down, a brilliant historical record of the marque and an original single player campaign too.
    The PS3/360 combat games Blur and Split Second are essential purchases too, and if you can get the hang of it, Ridge Racer Unbounded.

    Forza is just so bloody boring, give me Test Drive Unlimited on the 360 instead.

    The really excellent thing is you can buy most of those for less than a tenner each, much less in some cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭airmax87


    Got a second dreamcast pad but I don't have any friends


    edit : best racer is kaido racer 2 \ TXR drift 2, plebs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Shapey Fiend


    I'm pretty sure I finished everything in Shox but I can't remember anything about it.

    One of my other favourite PS2 racers was FlatOut2 which just had the most wonderful handling and game balance. It felt like the culmination of everything Destruction Derby 2 set up. I've dabbled with Wreckfest recently and it's really lacking the final tuning to make the whole experience fun and satisfying like BugBears earlier titles.

    The best multiplayer and still pretty smashing single player racer on PS2 is Mashed: Fully Loaded. I put a 100+ hours of time into that with a college flatmate circa 2010.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Shox works great with the GT Force feedback wheel, just like a proper arcade cab


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭cms88


    Point Blank!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    airmax87 wrote: »
    Got a second dreamcast pad but I don't have any friends


    edit : best racer is kaido racer 2 \ TXR drift 2, plebs.

    I have loads of them spare, some even still in original packaging. If you need another one let me know.

    I have some third party controllers that you can just take off my hands because they're rubbish awesome Madcatz yolks altogether.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    MrVestek wrote: »
    I have loads of them spare, some even still in original packaging. If you need another one let me know.

    I have some third party controllers that you can just take off my hands because they're rubbish awesome Madcatz yolks altogether.

    I read that as you have loads of friends, some still in their original packaging!

    I need more coffee :)


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