Handguns for humane dispatch

naggen

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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team work and a well placed bullet .

Nic pic.:)
But lets expand this arguement outside Ireland,as we are a minority in Europe anyway.How do you justify your position JW when the MAJORITY of the EU countries actually MANDATE by law that stalkers or big game driven shoots,that at least one person must have a large calibre handgun with them for dispatch??It kind of puts you in the minority with the rest of the EU.Fine,if they only say derringers,[but not in a pipsqueak 32 cal please].But seening that now all big cal liscenses are out.We are stuck with the Glocks,HKs etc.

So now with your goat story,you just contradicted yourself by saying you never carried your HK hunting..So which is it??And how "wasnt it like in the movies" seeing that goats are pretty tough anyway to drop,and was it a downed animal or one still able to move and run??It sounds like you didnt use the handgun in its intended role.Dispatch when down.
Also ,now this thing about everyone dropping in their pistols to be sold....Where??and to Whom?? and What price???

I've seen a couple of beauties that I wouldnt mind,but due to the liscensing system,that wont happen and some people would want to cop on to their prices they are looking for here.They are practically 3/4 devalued and gun dealers dont seem to be too arsed in shifting them either. So my point being,wouldnt you at least be better off holding onto yours and claiming at least a justifiable reason for owning and using it?

Also inc is the proper knive for dispatching deer Called a "Hirsh fanger" or trans a deer catcher.You are talking a bayonet length blade that is job specific and is not the easiest thing to learn to use properly either.[/quote]

naggen

why not ask the so called professional ranger jg to give his opinion on the matter seems to me your the only one that thinks hes professional i think this man is a power tripper with a responsible job hes not capable of

jwshooter

naggen wrote: »

Nic pic.:)
But lets expand this arguement outside Ireland,as we are a minority in Europe anyway.How do you justify your position JW when the MAJORITY of the EU countries actually MANDATE by law that stalkers or big game driven shoots,that at least one person must have a large calibre handgun with them for dispatch??It kind of puts you in the minority with the rest of the EU.Fine,if they only say derringers,[but not in a pipsqueak 32 cal please].But seening that now all big cal liscenses are out.We are stuck with the Glocks,HKs etc.

So now with your goat story,you just contradicted yourself by saying you never carried your HK hunting..So which is it??And how "wasnt it like in the movies" seeing that goats are pretty tough anyway to drop,and was it a downed animal or one still able to move and run??It sounds like you didnt use the handgun in its intended role.Dispatch when down.
Also ,now this thing about everyone dropping in their pistols to be sold....Where??and to Whom?? and What price???

I've seen a couple of beauties that I wouldnt mind,but due to the liscensing system,that wont happen and some people would want to cop on to their prices they are looking for here.They are practically 3/4 devalued and gun dealers dont seem to be too arsed in shifting them either. So my point being,wouldnt you at least be better off holding onto yours and claiming at least a justifiable reason for owning and using it?

Also inc is the proper knive for dispatching deer Called a "Hirsh fanger" or trans a deer catcher.You are talking a bayonet length blade that is job specific and is not the easiest thing to learn to use properly either.

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firstly we as a european country DO NOT shoot driven deer hear .not officially any way.so there is no requirement for any one to carry a pistol for dispatch.
also i said i used a walter p22 to shoot a downed goat it was very hard to hit the vital spot ,so from my experience with that i cant see the point of a pistol for humane dispatch.
your problem is you have or want pistols that are now worth scrap value and are looking for a way of keeping them .dont try <to mess> up my sport for the sake of your pistols and join a club.

also you rant about the knife is <incorrect> i have killed hundreds of deer with a buck 110.
you are not coming from not a animal welfare point of view, but a some one that wants a pistol or to keep one .

join another band wagon

Sparks

In fairness jw, a .22lr is not a round to use on a goat, and trying to hit anything with a P22 is going to be hard regardless. If that's the basis of your experience, I think perhaps you need a better baseline for comparison.

Sparks

naggen wrote: »

why not ask the so called professional ranger jg to give his opinion on the matter seems to me your the only one that thinks hes professional i think this man is a power tripper with a responsible job hes not capable of

You'd be incorrect, according to all accounts.

Grizzly 45

also you rant about the knife is <incorrect> i have killed hundreds of deer with a buck 110.

RIGHTTTTTTT!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Sure,sure.We belive you JW.You THAT bad a shot?????

And you then have the audacity to then preach here that pistols are unsuitable for humane dispatch after your self confessed hames of dispatching a goat with a calibre youknow was unsuitable??

BTW there was another article in Countrymans weekly last week,about Humane dispatch pistols and owning them in the UK,yes can be done by pro stalkers,hunt kennel keepers,vets,stud farm owners.And the reasons for using them,which have been covered here.Dont agree with their calibre choice,the usual pipsqueak .22 and 32. But then as pointed out there is NO defination of suitable calibre or suitable design in UK law for a humane dispatch.

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

In fairness jw, a .22lr is not a round to use on a goat, and trying to hit anything with a P22 is going to be hard regardless. If that's the basis of your experience, I think perhaps you need a better baseline for comparison.

why do you think a .22lr will not kill every thing on this island with a head shot.

Sparks

I think that thinking you can make a head shot on an animal like that is the height of arrogance.

jwshooter

naggen wrote: »

why not ask the so called professional ranger jg to give his opinion on the matter seems to me your the only one that thinks hes professional i think this man is a power tripper with a responsible job hes not capable of

your a troll ,not to be replied to

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

I think that thinking you can make a head shot on an animal like that is the height of arrogance.

i do under stand you have never been in the field hunting deer no more than i have been rapped un in a leather jacket to shoot a .22 on a range.

SO STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW.

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

your a troll ,not to be replied to

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

i do under stand you have never been in the field hunting deer no more than i have been rapped un in a leather jacket to shoot a .22 on a range.
SO STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW.

If you want to get out the measuring tape dear, I'm not going to be too worried

If, however, you want to tell me you know better than every deer-hunting group in the country, and every hunter on this site, don't expect me not to break down laughing.

Clash

Sparks wrote: »

I think that thinking you can make a head shot on an animal like that is the height of arrogance.

Not to butt in or anything, but for a minute I thought this thread said 'human dispatch' and....

Anyway, I knew this oul fella who used to shoot deer with a .22. He'd get up nice and close and whistle to turn their head towards him and ping them between the eyes.

Not saying you should do this, but back before we lost the run of ouselves, people did anything for some meat on the table.

He said he never lost one. So maybe jw is right

Grizzly 45

Shooting a goat in the head isnt going to work with a .22 anyway.They have incredibly hard skulls.Considring they use their heads as butting weapons.So unless JW was aiming for the heart ,and this critter was paralysed then it would have been quick and fast.Otherwise with a .22 a waste of time.
Clash,
I'm sure it can [qualified] be done.I'm sure somone has shot an elephant with a .22 as well.
But that he never lost one or was such a fantastical stalker??????

Clash

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Shooting a goat in the head isnt going to work with a .22 anyway.They have incredibly hard skulls.Considring they use their heads as butting weapons.So unless JW was aiming for the heart ,and this critter was paralysed then it would have been quick and fast.Otherwise with a .22 a waste of time.

No offence Grizzly, but a head is more then the bit above the eyes.

Sparks

Clash wrote: »

Anyway, I knew this oul fella who used to shoot deer with a .22. He'd get up nice and close and whistle to turn their head towards him and ping them between the eyes.

Yup, I've heard that story too, and I'm guessing from someone who doesn't live too far from you

However, that he did it doesn't make it right.

He said he never lost one. So maybe jw is right

Uh-huh. An anonymous chap who said down the pub he never missed a deer in his life... and who'd be confessing to maiming one if he said otherwise because of the unsuitable calibre he was using...

Clash

Sparks wrote: »

Yup, I've heard that story too, and I'm guessing from someone who doesn't live too far from you

Well he lives six feet under now, so I suppose we're all near there wherever we are.

However, that he did it doesn't make it right. Uh-huh. An anonymous chap who said down the pub he never missed a deer in his life... and who'd be confessing to maiming one if he said otherwise because of the unsuitable calibre he was using...

It doesn't and I said so, but the point is that a .22 is quite capable of penetrating a skull.

It's not all .22 target ammo out there you know.

Sparks

Clash wrote: »

It doesn't and I said so, but the point is that a .22 is quite capable of penetrating a skull.

Actually my point was that you can't always make the shot that accurately. That's why all the deer groups recommend heavier calibres.

Grizzly 45

None taken Clash,but shooting an animal that has
[1] a very hard skull and is known for it
[2] using an insufficent calibre to do so
[3]Not considring any other place to put the shot in a vital organ in the body mass.
[4]Or possibly he did,considering JW was saying how difficult it was to "hit a moving tennis ball"
[5] Having JW's somwhat cohrent story,which doesnt say wether he was shooting this goat at distance with the .22 with his friend with the .270.
Or up close and personal when the animal was or is down.
[6] What was the condition of the animal?Semi paralysed, limping,gut shot ,etc? So we dont know what position or shot opportunities JW had to dispatch correctly.

it just sounds a disaster..

jwshooter

Clash wrote: »

Not to butt in or anything, but for a minute I thought this thread said 'human dispatch' and....

Anyway, I knew this oul fella who used to shoot deer with a .22. He'd get up nice and close and whistle to turn their head towards him and ping them between the eyes.

Not saying you should do this, but back before we lost the run of ouselves, people did anything for some meat on the table.

He said he never lost one. So maybe jw is right

i started my stalking with a guy .
pre 76 used a .22 magnum on deer.
head shooting them at a pound a pound in there jackets he made his living shooting deer.

iv lost deer ! not as many in the last 10 years as i know what im doing and have tracking dogs.
last season i lost one hind out of over a 160 guided and stalked my self .with out the use of a pistol.
to many lads talking about stuff they have only read or have a small knowledge about.

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

Actually my point was that you can't always make the shot that accurately. That's why all the deer groups recommend heavier calibres.

yes , deer groups or any group will never recommend any thing less than the max they can get out of some thing .

sparks if you were a deer stalker doing a bit of calling a would listen to you. as you only know what you have heard i cant put no pass on ant thing you say on the subject.

45 is banging on about his 9mm or 45acp for deer work ,more of it.
all pistol clubs and every bit of deer stalking in the country require insurance .

Grizzly 45

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last season i lost one hind out of over a 160 guided and stalked my self .with out the use of a pistol.
to many lads talking sxxt about stuff they have only read or have a small knowledge about

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The deer season here is Sept 1st to Feb 28th is 181 days.
160 deer in that time.Average 2 deer a week???? FK me JW you must have a rake of free time to go hunting or the deer in your part of the world are like herds of cattle.:eek:

Yeah..Clubs and deer hunting requires insurance.....Point being???

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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The deer season here is Sept 1st to Feb 28th is 181 days.
160 deer in that time.Average 2 deer a week???? FK me JW you must have a rake of free time to go hunting or the deer in your part of the world are like herds of cattle.:eek:

Yeah..Clubs and deer hunting requires insurance.....Point being???[/QUOT

you can live your life two ways 45. the way you want it or the way every one else thinks you should.
i make no apologies for mine.

Grizzly 45

Not saying you should apologise for anything JW.
I am just amazed at the kill ratio and pouplation of deer to sustain it and the time you can dedicate to it.

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not saying you should apologise for anything JW.
I am just amazed at the kill ratio and pouplation of deer to sustain it and the time you can dedicate to it.

45 .TBH i love my deer .time spend looking at them and hunting them is worth while. i would be a wealthy man if not for deer.

wicklow is the home of deer its not uncommon to see 100-300 or lots more deer in a valley.
one of the biggest herds iv seen was on the gap over ouler about 13 years ago one winter.no camera of course .some thing like you see in scotland .

most lads shoot 10 -20 deer a season and thats fine as its mostly to get out for a morning and have some lovely meat for the family.
some lads kill a lot of deer in the course of a days work.hard work.

kakashka

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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The deer season here is Sept 1st to Feb 28th is 181 days.
160 deer in that time.Average 2 deer a week

Season doesnt start in Sept for all of us G,i know a lad who's been stalking 2 months already;)
I've shot 14 one day,actually in about 25min.
LOT of deer about..LOT