2012, what's it all about?

samson09

Ok, this mightn't be the right forum (as it isnt really a conspiracy as far as I know) so please move it to a more appropriate forum if necessary.

What do people actually think is going to happen in 2012?

I've heard many, many sides to this story. Some people are convinced aliens will arrive while others think the end of the world is coming. There's talk of pole shifts, tsunamis, continents moving, shifts in consciousness and changes at the molecular/genetic level in humans.

Personally, I see a major shift in power coming, America is on the verge of losing its dominant position both politically and economically and countries like China & India are just patiently sitting on the sidelines, waiting for the inevitable to happen.

What's all the hype about?

pinion

there is going to be a galactic alignment.
imagine all the planets of the solar system lined up in a straight line,
now imagine that on a galactic scale
21 Dec 2012 earth will pass through the galactic equator like it does every 5000 years or so.

theories go that the gravitational pull will cause tsunamis and the likes.

But don't worry too much mate.
mite be in a nuclear winter by then anywhos:eek:

espinolman

pinion wrote: »

there is going to be a galactic alignment.
imagine all the planets of the solar system lined up in a straight line,
now imagine that on a galactic scale
21 Dec 2012 earth will pass through the galactic equator like it does every 5000 years or so.

No i think you have it wrong there , the sun almost lines up with the galactic centre as viewed from earth , but earth does not pass through the galactic equator , all this is mis-understood by a lot of people and that is what all the hype is about .

pinion

Another theory is that the Mayan calander ends on winter solstice 2012, some think prophecising the end of world
There are other calanders too that mysteriousely end around that time.
I Ching and native american..
I can't wait....Yipee

The Earth doesn't pass throught the galactic plane in 2012.
The period of that is a couple million years not 5000.

The Sun oscillates up and down relative to the galactic plane approximately 2.7 times per orbit

It takes the Solar System about 225–250 million years to complete one orbit of the galaxy

And we're currently a good 20 light years above the galactic plane. And we're not going to cover that in 3 years.

As for the sun lining up with the galactic centre doesn't that happen every year?

And all research on the Mayan calender shows that they didn't put any significance on that date at all.
It's like when our calender went from 1999 to 2000 or 999 to 1000.

No other calenders end on that date.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093

pinion

No other calenders end on that date.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093[/quote]




http://www.liveindia.com/mayacalendar/iching.html

pinion

There is also the Timewave Zero theory


Timewave zero, which is part of Novelty theory, is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase in the universe's interconnectedness, or organised complexity over time. According to Terence McKenna, who conceived the idea in the early 1970s, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity on December 21, 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur instantaneously. This idea has failed to gain any scientific credibility or recognition.
McKenna expressed "novelty" in a computer program, which purportedly produces a fractal waveform known as timewave zero or the timewave. Based on McKenna's interpretation of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching, the graph appears to show great periods of novelty corresponding with major shifts in humanity's biological and cultural evolution. He believed the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November, 2012. When he discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th baktun, he adjusted it so that the two dates matched.

pinion

pinion wrote: »

http://www.liveindia.com/mayacalendar/iching.html

And? There's no such thing as the I ching calender.

As for the "math" mentioned, is it refering to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_wave_zero ?
Pure numerological nonsense.

A base period of roughly 67 years was discovered (all calculations are rough, but not inaccurate)…

And why pick this number exactly?

2300 BC wasn't the start of recorded history.

Homo Sapiens originated in east Africa about 200,000 years ago not 270,000.
but that wouldn't fit would it.

So how does any of this show anything is going to happen in 2012?

pinion

pinion wrote: »

There is also the Timewave Zero theory


Timewave zero, which is part of Novelty theory, is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase in the universe's interconnectedness, or organised complexity over time. According to Terence McKenna, who conceived the idea in the early 1970s, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity on December 21, 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur instantaneously. This idea has failed to gain any scientific credibility or recognition.
McKenna expressed "novelty" in a computer program, which purportedly produces a fractal waveform known as timewave zero or the timewave. Based on McKenna's interpretation of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching, the graph appears to show great periods of novelty corresponding with major shifts in humanity's biological and cultural evolution. He believed the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November, 2012. When he discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th baktun, he adjusted it so that the two dates matched.

Hang on.
He just chose random event off the top of his head drew a random connection, calculated a random date and when he saw the mayan calendar just changed it randomly?

That's not exactly scientific. Or convincing.

Undergod

But he was taking a lot of DMT, which allowed to communicate with the fourth spatial dimension. He got a lot of his information from the machine elves.

nyarlothothep

WW3 is going to hit, the stage has been set with the financial meltdown and the current political tensions will simmer into an out and out global conflict, key players: US, Iran, Korea, China and the EU. Following the hellish aftermath a one world government will be arrived at as a matter of necessity. This will allow for first contact with the aliens. What happens after that and the politics surrounding the whole thing I have not idea. Native american tribes have been talking about this for decades. I believe they were contacted by aliens and have ancestral foreknowledge about whats going to happen.

AntiRip

Sweet f**k all is going to happen but a good few people will make a lot of money taking advantage of people's fears just like the "Y2K Bug". What I understand is that The Mayans have a complex system of calendars, 20 in total though only 15 have been revealed to the public. The Mayans keep the other five a secret within their culture.

What makes this cycle so different is that it ends on a winter solstice. On this particular winter solstice, the sun will align with the center of the Milky Way. This particular event happens only every 26,000 years or so but again, sweet crap will happen.

HouseHippo

Well the thing which has been worrying me is the polar shift however whether this is caused by Planet X entering the core of our solar system or the galactic alignment it is a natural cycle which supposedly occurs every 26,000 years.
Modern man (Homo sapiens sapiens, or Cro-Magnon) has been around since he replaced the Neanderthals about 50,000 to 100,000 years ago,therefore man has survived this polar shift before.
If you look at many of the Planet X theories they state that it is in an eliptical orbit around the sun,an orbit which completes every 26,000 years,meaning again man have survived an intrusion by the so called Planet X

With regards to the existance of Planet X or Nibiru,indeed there is something perturbing the gravity of our galaxy however it is believed to be an entire galaxy rather than a planet the size if 8 earth masses .Although planet X is possible it is more likely that the phtographs etc are of another planet orbiting the red dwarf Gliese in its planet system. If planet X does exist surely Hubble would have picked it up by now....
BUT....It is more likely to be a dwarf or dark star similar to our sun,which will mean that 2 suns will be visible in our skies around 2011

AntiRip

AntiRip wrote: »

What makes this cycle so different is that it ends on a winter solstice. On this particular winter solstice, the sun will align with the center of the Milky Way. This particular event happens only every 26,000 years or so but again, sweet crap will happen.

Nope that happens every year.

The galactic centre is in the direction of Sagittarius and Ophiuchus in the zodiac.

This is around where the sun is during the winter solstice (late December) just as it is every year.

Mahatma coat

2012 is I believe the dawning of Aquarius, the procession as it is also called.

all this climate change bollox etc is linked to it as the earth is going into a different phase in its cycle. Polar shifts etc are interesting theories but I'm not convinced that it has happened before.

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

And? There's no such thing as the I ching calender.

http://survive2012.com/why_2012_fractal.php

As for the "math" mentioned, is it refering to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_wave_zero ?
Pure numerological nonsense.

OK so you can lay out your reasons as to why this is nonsense, rather than just making sweeping generalisations

And why pick this number exactly?

I think you will find that the number is what was discovered, not picked randomly

2300 BC wasn't the start of recorded history.

when was then?

Homo Sapiens originated in east Africa about 200,000 years ago not 270,000.
but that wouldn't fit would it.

This is the bit I mainly wanted to address, the sheer arogance of this statement is mindblowing, it reads like

Hey you, dont pick random numbers out of the air to make a point, because it clashes with this random unsubstantiated number I just plucked out of the air.

this is the reason I generally ignore you, your attitude is not condusive to productive debate

So how does any of this show anything is going to happen in 2012?

This is a theorys forum, people are theorising as to what might occur in 2012

6th

Mahatma coat wrote: »

the sheer arogance of this statement is mindblowing

This is addressing the post.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

this is the reason I generally ignore you, your attitude is not condusive to productive debate

This ... isn't.

Celly Smunt

The best way to find out an insight in what is going to happen is to do your own homework and find out for yourself.

i've said this for a while now and i still stick to it,when conspiracies come out and everybody jumps on the band wagon people tend to add on their own hopes of what is going to happen and try turn it into fact. (alien visitation is the perfect example)

Personally i dont think much will happen physically,what i feel is that peoples characteristics will begin to change as we enter the new age of aqauarius,engaging in new thoughts,feelings,ideas etc etc...You can see it already almost,this new "recession" (myth might i add) has given people the illusion of "yeah,we have no money but hey! we have each other" attitude in alot of people..don't play into that idea either.

Mahatma coat

OK 6th Point taken.

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

http://survive2012.com/why_2012_fractal.php

The I Ching is not a Calender.

The only references to an I Ching Calender coming from 2012 sites.
The only people who make the claim that it ends in 2012 is the McKennas

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK so you can lay out your reasons as to why this is nonsense, rather than just making sweeping generalisations

Because it's never been shown to ever pass any scientific test.
The concept of novelty as put forward is purely subjective and can't be measured. So there is no way to say that novelty increases at predetermined times.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I think you will find that the number is what was discovered, not picked randomly

Oh really?

Their studies began with the I Ching, which is composed of 64 hexagrams, or six-line figures. It struck them that 6 x 64 = 384, which is exceptionally close to the number of days in 13 lunar months (29.5306 x 13 = 383.8978)

Why lunar months? Why 13?
Why 67?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

when was then?

When writing was invented technically.
Around 4000 BC.
But oral history was probably around a good bit before that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorded_history

What basis do they have for their date?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Hey you, dont pick random numbers out of the air to make a point, because it clashes with this random unsubstantiated number I just plucked out of the air.

Because my number was plucked from Wikipedia.
Where was theirs plucked form?

But it's only 70000 years off.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

This is a theorys forum, people are theorising as to what might occur in 2012

And people are getting facts plain wrong. What good is theorising on faulty facts?

espinolman

Want to find out , download a planetarium and go forward in time to 21/12/2012 .

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

Want to find out , download a planetarium and go forward in time to 21/12/2012 .

http://www.fourmilab.ch/solar/

I've checked.

Not much there.

Mr Maroon

pmcmahon wrote: »

The best way to find out an insight in what is going to happen is to do your own homework and find out for yourself.

i've said this for a while now and i still stick to it,when conspiracies come out and everybody jumps on the band wagon people tend to add on their own hopes of what is going to happen and try turn it into fact. (alien visitation is the perfect example)

Personally i dont think much will happen physically,what i feel is that peoples characteristics will begin to change as we enter the new age of aqauarius,engaging in new thoughts,feelings,ideas etc etc...You can see it already almost,this new "recession" (myth might i add) has given people the illusion of "yeah,we have no money but hey! we have each other" attitude in alot of people..don't play into that idea either.

Ok, hold on. How is the recession a myth?

Celly Smunt

Mr Maroon wrote: »

Ok, hold on. How is the recession a myth?

not a myth as such,perhaps the wrong phrase.

basically the way I see it is,i'm going to use a "dog" and "Dog owner" approach to this..

If a dog owner wants his dogs to do tricks he will reward him with treats (money),but what happens when the dog has too many treats and is no longer excited about the aspect of recieving them thus not performing anymore seeing them as a normal aspect of living..Well what the dog owner will do is remove the "treats" from the diet of the dog so he will see these as precious objects and will do anything that the owner wants just to get them.He will twirl,jump,give the paw anything for a little slice of a reward,hence forcing itself into a bigger state of dependence on the master and a slave to whatever the master wants just to get a little extra.


put this into a mass society spectrum,lots and lots of people running around looking for a bit extra money and seeing masters as saints when they "progress for the good of the economy".

thats how i see it anyway.

watty

I thought this was going to be about analogue Switch off.

I've studied prehistory/early history and history of writing, numbers, communications and calculations as a hobby on and off for nearly 30 years.

E Howard set his fictional "heroes" about 10,000BC as a good guess as what was before known history. This extract from Wikipedia agrees largely with my books and reading over the years:

A major change, described by prehistorian Vere Gordon Childe as the "Agricultural Revolution," occurred about the 10th millennium BC with the adoption of agriculture. The Sumerians first began farming ca. 9500 BC. By 7000 BC, agriculture had spread to India; by 6000 BC, to Egypt; by 5000 BC, to China. About 2700 BC, agriculture had come to Mesoamerica.

Although attention has tended to concentrate on the Middle East's Fertile Crescent, archaeology in the Americas, East Asia and Southeast Asia indicates that agricultural systems, using different crops and animals, may in some cases have developed there nearly as early. The development of organised irrigation, and the use of a specialised workforce, by the Sumerians, began about 5500 BC. Stone was supplanted by bronze and iron in implements of agriculture and warfare. Agricultural settlements had until then been almost completely dependent on stone tools. In Eurasia, copper and bronze tools, decorations and weapons began to be commonplace about 3000 BC. After bronze, the Eastern Mediterranean region, Middle East and China saw the introduction of iron tools and weapons.

You need Agriculture for Civilisation. It creates specialism, trading etc.

This appears as far as we can tell about 10,500 years ago. Written history (that we have found, there may be older not yet discovered) goes back almost 6,000 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform

The book of Genesis changes style with the introduction of Abraham. Suddenly we have real places we can identify and a much more robust style of narration. However exact identification of kings is uncertain. But we are looking at events about 4000 years ago.

There is no calendar associated with I Ching.

I can't see any basis or connection at all to 2012.

Admittedly the mayan "long count" Calendar is pretty mad stuff. The reality of "cracking" the Mayan script is quite a story with some unlikely twists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_script

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_calendars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

To measure dates over periods longer than 52 years, the Mesoamericans devised the Long Count calendar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar

Despite the publicity generated by the 2012 date, Susan Milbrath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, stated that "We [the archaeological community] have no record or knowledge that [the Maya] would think the world would come to an end" in 2012.
"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. in Crystal River, Florida. To render December 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

"There will be another cycle," says E. Wyllys Andrews V, director of the Tulane University Middle American Research Institute (MARI). "We know the Maya thought there was one before this, and that implies they were comfortable with the idea of another one after this."

Conclusion
The 2012 apocalypse is a New Ager Myth.

Futher..

More recent academic scholars of Maya civilization have disputed the apocalyptic interpretation of the Long Count calendar end-date, insisting that it simply marks a resetting of the calendar to Baktun 13.0.0.0.0,[7] rather as the units and tens columns of a car's odometer reset to zero each time a hundred miles are completed. They also argue that the Long Count calendar does not end on 13.0.0.0.0.[8] Scholars such as Linda Schele and David Freidel[9] cite the Mayan inscription Coba Stela 1, which features the date 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0. In Mayan mythology, this date represents the age of the previous world at its ending. Because the Mayan calendar is cyclical, the above dating will also, of necessity, mark the end of the present Long Count cycle and the beginning of the next. With each column equal to twenty times its predecessor, this date lies some 41,341,049,999,999,999,999,999,994,879 years in the future, or 3 quintillion times the scientifically accepted age of the universe.

This seems reasonable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Doomsday_prediction

AntiRip

King Mob wrote: »

Nope that happens every year.

The galactic centre is in the direction of Sagittarius and Ophiuchus in the zodiac.

This is around where the sun is during the winter solstice (late December) just as it is every year.

Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse?

HouseHippo

According to Michio Kaku, a well respected theoretical physicsist,there will be a massive solar flare in 2012, which could knock out our satellites and comms systems for days,months maybe even years which could have a catastrophic effect on earth as we know it

HouseHippo

King Mob wrote: »

Nope that happens every year.

The galactic centre is in the direction of Sagittarius and Ophiuchus in the zodiac.

This is around where the sun is during the winter solstice (late December) just as it is every year.

You may be wrong there,what the theory involves is the sun's alignment with the dark rift in the milky way, which lies between Sag and Ophiuchus,the secret 13th sign of the zodiac in which Nostradamus used to predict his 2012 theory,i believe this galactic alignment only happens once in the region of 26,000 years

AntiRip

AntiRip wrote: »

Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse?

Well if it's in a news article it must be true.

Can you provide anything that shows the this galactic alignment doesn't happen every year but every 26000 years?

Because as far as I see it the galactic centre (the supermassive black hole) is in the constellation of Sagittarius.
Sagittarius is part of the zodiac. The zodiac is a group of 13 constellations the sun appears to go through as viewed from Earth as it orbits the Sun.
During every winter solstice every year the Sun is in the constellation of Sagittarius.
So it is between us and the galactic centre just like every year.

HouseHippo

HouseHippo wrote: »

According to Michio Kaku, a well respected theoretical physicsist,there will be a massive solar flare in 2012, which could knock out our satellites and comms systems for days,months maybe even years which could have a catastrophic effect on earth as we know it

Source? When and where did he say that?

HouseHippo wrote: »

You may be wrong there,what the theory involves is the sun's alignment with the dark rift in the milky way, which lies between Sag and Ophiuchus,the secret 13th sign of the zodiac in which Nostradamus used to predict his 2012 theory,i believe this galactic alignment only happens once in the region of 26,000 years

Ok first Ophiuschus isn't a secret. Second the black hole at the exact centre of the galaxy is in Sagittarius. It's also in the dark rift.
The sun passes this every year regardless of your belief.

Can you provide a single source other than a 2012 site that confirms and every 26000 year alignment?

And third, Nostradamus never predicted 2012.

HouseHippo

King Mob wrote: »

Well if it's in a news article it must be true.

Can you provide anything that shows the this galactic alignment doesn't happen every year but every 26000 years?

Because as far as I see it the galactic centre (the supermassive black hole) is in the constellation of Sagittarius.
Sagittarius is part of the zodiac. The zodiac is a group of 13 constellations the sun appears to go through as viewed from Earth as it orbits the Sun.
During every winter solstice every year the Sun is in the constellation of Sagittarius.
So it is between us and the galactic centre just like every year.

http://www.eilight.com/pages/hologalacticdec99.html
There is about 100 more like that

There isn't a 13 sign zodiac,respectively.The 13th sign is a "secret sign" widely used by prophets and theorists.
Astronomy wise calculating the relevent lightyears our orbits takes and the light years which its takes to reach teh galactic center or dark rift it happening every year is near impossible.

otherwise we would have this planetery realignment of "pola shift" every year which would be catastrophic, according to leading scientists , theoretical physicists and y college books its a 26,000 year cycle...

and why are you asing me for evidence when you presented none

HouseHippo

Oh and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujQg2E_fDw
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TzIUlaQok

Mahatma coat

hang on a mo, I thought Black holes were still in the Theoretic realm, is there proof of an exsting Black hole at the centre of Sagitarius???

HouseHippo

and also
http://www.satansrapture.com/nostra2012.html

http://nostradamus2012.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0CHi1RXX0

HouseHippo

Mahatma coat wrote: »

hang on a mo, I thought Black holes were still in the Theoretic realm, is there proof of an exsting Black hole at the centre of Sagitarius???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermassive_black_hole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole


Quantum Physicsists have been analyzing em for years....its what happens inside which is theory

Redzer7

Will Smith Comes To Save Us All :cool:

HouseHippo

HouseHippo wrote: »

http://www.eilight.com/pages/hologalacticdec99.html
There is about 100 more like that

Link doesn't work.

HouseHippo wrote: »

There isn't a 13 sign zodiac,respectively.The 13th sign is a "secret sign" widely used by prophets and theorists.

It isn't a secret sign. It's been known to astronomers and astrologers for thousands of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus

HouseHippo wrote: »

Astronomy wise calculating the relevent lightyears our orbits takes and the light years which its takes to reach teh galactic center or dark rift it happening every year is near impossible.

No it's not. Earth position in the galaxy is well known and understood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun.27s_location_and_neighborhood

The Sun (and therefore the Earth and Solar System) may be found close to the inner rim of the Galaxy's Orion Arm, in the Local Fluff inside the Local Bubble, and in the Gould Belt, at a distance of 7.62±0.32 kpc (~25,000±1,000 ly) from the Galactic Center.

HouseHippo wrote: »

otherwise we would have this planetery realignment of "pola shift" every year which would be catastrophic,

Either that or the galactic alignment doesn't cause a "pole shift".

HouseHippo wrote: »

according to leading scientists , theoretical physicists and y college books its a 26,000 year cycle...

Which ones and where?

HouseHippo wrote: »

and why are you asing me for evidence when you presented none

Because you making the claim?
And all the astronomy I've looked at doesn't support your claim?

As for my proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center

The Galactic Center is the rotational center of the Milky Way galaxy. It is located about 7.6 kiloparsecs (25,000 ly) away from the Earth[1] in the direction of the constellations Sagittarius, Ophiuchus, and Scorpius where the Milky Way appears brightest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A

Sagittarius A (or Sgr A) is a complex radio source at the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way. It is located in the sky in the Sagittarius

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Table_of_dates

Sagittarius
18 December – 20 January
33.6 days

I miss anything?

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

hang on a mo, I thought Black holes were still in the Theoretic realm, is there proof of an exsting Black hole at the centre of Sagitarius???

There are many observed black holes.

All the evidence points to this as the black at the centre of the galaxy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*

Mahatma coat

that'd be a no then, still theory fromwhat I see, got any reasonable evidence of one?

HouseHippo

King Mob wrote: »

Link doesn't work.

It isn't a secret sign. It's been known to astronomers and astrologers for thousands of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus


No it's not. Earth position in the galaxy is well known and understood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun.27s_location_and_neighborhood



Either that or the galactic alignment doesn't cause a "pole shift".

Which ones and where?



Because you making the claim?
And all the astronomy I've looked at doesn't support your claim?

As for my proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Table_of_dates



I miss anything?

tbh you aren't addressing my points correctly, arguing with everyone and no matter what I say despite me studying science, i'll get sweet fcuk all excep more crappy wiki links.....so I have a gig to play and i'm not wasting my time arguing cause I don't really give a ****....

oh and try using google, google michio Kaka, Mark Holdsten, Einstien....

HouseHippo

Mahatma coat wrote: »

that'd be a no then, still theory fromwhat I see, got any reasonable evidence of one?

Eh.....hubble images??????? :P

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

that'd be a no then, still theory fromwhat I see, got any reasonable evidence of one?

That's a yes actually.
There's plenty of reasonable evidence on the wikipedia pages provided.

HouseHippo

I just learned that Edward Hubble was a great boxer...nothing to do with this thread but pretty interesting...*goes to read*

HouseHippo

HouseHippo wrote: »

tbh you aren't addressing my points correctly, arguing with everyone and no matter what I say despite me studying science,

How exactly? By asking you to back up your claims?
Hate to break it to you but I study science too.

HouseHippo wrote: »

i'll get sweet fcuk all excep more crappy wiki links.....so I have a gig to play and i'm not wasting my time arguing cause I don't really give a ****....

And links for 2012 sites are better?
At least Wikipedia has references.

HouseHippo wrote: »

oh and try using google, google michio Kaka, Mark Holdsten, Einstien....

I do regularly.
I've never seen Einstien or Michio Kaku give any credence to 2012 theories.

HouseHippo

I sent you 3 youtube videos....you didn't even notice no....and stop with the rhethorical questions its a massive representation of arrogance...no need to be a smart arse at all

Ostrom

HouseHippo wrote: »

I sent you 3 youtube videos....you didn't even notice no....and stop with the rhethorical questions its a massive representation of arrogance...no need to be a smart arse at all

In fairness....

Youtube videos?


I'm not a scientist, but I do like astronomy, and there seems to be nonsense coming from all sides here

HouseHippo

HouseHippo wrote: »

I sent you 3 youtube videos....you didn't even notice no....and stop with the rhethorical questions its a massive representation of arrogance...no need to be a smart arse at all

Yea they're talking about an event that happens every 11 years.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Mayan predictions.

Can you provide any evidence that the galactic alignment happens only every 26,000 years?

Can you show where my reasoning is wrong?

Mahatma coat

OK I'm feelin exceptionaly lazy, anyone want to produce a Photograph of one of these blackhol3es

Ostrom

Hubble site has some mock-ups

You cant image a black hole, NASA use X-ray telescopes to measure radiation from the accretion disk. Sorry I cant remember the name of the telescope - its in near earth orbit


Here it is: http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/category/blackholes.html

You can observe M81 quite easily from the ground

A7X

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK I'm feelin exceptionaly lazy, anyone want to produce a Photograph of one of these blackhol3es

Pretty sure theres no "photo" of a Black Hole, but here http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/blackhole_slumber.html

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK I'm feelin exceptionaly lazy, anyone want to produce a Photograph of one of these blackhol3es

They're not usually imaged.
They detected by Xray AFIAK.

Here's a list of possible/probable ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_black_hole#Stellar_mass_black_hole_candidates

Here's a few images of Supermassive black holes.
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2002/0157/0157_composite.jpg
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0210/mwcentre_eso_big.jpg