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Women walks away scot free after admitting making up sexual assault allegations

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    #302
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Really, it will be clear from looking at the link that there is and has been an epidemic of false accusations of child sexual abuse/child abuse over the last two decades or more. Had this scandal been exposed many years ago maybe Mr Hannon would not have had to endure the last ten years of profound psychological trauma. Always remember You could be next!

    That kind of scaremongering is just as bad as the people saying there's a boogeyman around every corner waiting to sexually abuse your kids.


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    #303
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    javaboy wrote: »
    That kind of scaremongering is just as bad as the people saying there's a boogeyman around every corner waiting to sexually abuse your kids.

    Scaremongering? I stated facts. For many years now we have been told that in 1 in 3 homes in Ireland child sexual abuse has occured, which means that a paedophile could be living in the house next door to you on the right hand side or the left hand side. We have had it shoved down our necks that 1 in 4 have been sexually abused. We have also had it shoved down our necks that 1 in 10 women have suffered sexual assault at some time in their lives. Now that is what is called scaremongering. Not to mention inflated figures for domestic violence and sexual assault.


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    #304
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Scaremongering? I stated facts. For many years now we have been told that in 1 in 3 homes in Ireland child sexual abuse has occured, which means that a paedophile could be living in the house next door to you on the right hand side or the left hand side. We have had it shoved down our necks that 1 in 4 have been sexually abused. We have also had it shoved down our necks that 1 in 10 women have suffered sexual assault at some time in their lives. Now that is what is called scaremongering. Not to mention inflated figures for domestic violence and sexual assault.

    So using words like epidemic and saying you could be next in bold and underlined text doesn't seem at all like scaremongering to you?


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    #305
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    javaboy wrote: »
    So using words like epidemic and saying you could be next in bold and underlined text doesn't seem at all like scaremongering to you?

    Just stating facts. You could be next!


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    #306
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Just stating facts. You could be next!

    Why, what do you know?


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    #307
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    Lance Repulsive Selenium wrote: »
    Why, what do you know?

    Because social workers are allowed violate constitutional rights likewise the Gardai.


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    #308
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Because social workers are allowed violate constitutional rights likewise the Gardai.

    An hysterical tone and a tendency to hyperbole rarely - if ever- aid an argument.


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    #309
    Zadkiel
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Zadkiel


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Just stating facts. You could be next!

    Its just like winning the lotto!

    " Who knows, It could be you!":D


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    #310
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    Zadkiel wrote: »
    Its just like winning the lotto!

    " Who knows, It could be you!":D
    Hehehehe;)


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    #311
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Zadkiel wrote: »
    Its just like winning the lotto!

    " Who knows, It could be you!":D

    Or the Jackpot! Giggity.


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    #312
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    Nodin wrote: »
    An hysterical tone and a tendency to hyperbole rarely - if ever- aid an argument.
    Social workers are allowed to violate constitutional rights and innocent parents may appear on computer registers and be branded "child abuser" for life. CPS kidnapped a six-year-old girl from her kindergarten class because she rubbed herself between the legs. The child was forced to strip, pose for photographs and submit to a vaginal exam. The diagnosis: a yeast infection.

    Unlike the hysterical tone and tendency to hyperbole as frequently used by the 'child savers' when making an argument.


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    #313
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    WindSock wrote: »
    Or the Jackpot! Giggity.
    Way to go :rolleyes:


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    #314
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,969 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Give me one example please. Again we have the mindset that the accused is a 'perpetrator' and if cleared of any wrongdoing he/she is still guilty. Also, I do not want sympathy - only justice for the falsely accused. And please do not quote the case of Father Sean Fortune to me - he was never convicted by any court of law. Sean Fortune was judged by a biased media and let me tell you a fact, 95% of all cases of alleged child sexual abuse turn out to be either non-confirmed - case pending or false accusations with only a 3% conviction rate.

    Eddie, just because the rate of conviction is 3 percent, this does not mean that the
    cases that did not result in conviction were not legitimate. I am sure many abusers have
    got away with their crimes. I would have imagined that to obtain a conviction, it would be pretty damn hard. Now, in the Hannon case, this was NOT the case.


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    #315
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    What the hell are you talking about?

    6 year olds shouldnt be in kindergarten. Or playschool as we call it here.


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    #316
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Social workers are allowed to violate constitutional rights.

    What constituional rights are they violating? Please be specific in your reply.
    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    and innocent parents may appear on computer registers and be branded "child abuser" for life. .

    Are you referring to a possible miscarriage of justice?
    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    CPS kidnapped a six-year-old girl from her kindergarten class because she rubbed herself between the legs. The child was forced to strip, pose for photographs and submit to a vaginal exam. The diagnosis: a yeast infection..

    A child seems to be distressed in a manner that suggests sexual abuse. No one does anything. The child is eventually found dead and a litany of warning signs that were ignored emerges. How now?


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    #317
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    walshb wrote: »
    Eddie, just because the rate of conviction is 3 percent, this does not mean that the
    cases that did not result in conviction were not legitimate. I am sure many abusers have
    got away with their crimes. I would have imagined that to obtain a conviction, it would be pretty damn hard. Now, in the Hannon case, this was NOT the case.

    How can you be sure that many abusers have got away with their crimes? Do we throw out the presumption of innocence with the bathwater. The rate for conviction under the criminal law where the weight of evidence is 'beyond a reasonable doubt' accounts for the low conviction rate unlike the weight of evidence 'the balance of probabilities' so often used by CPS to justify the inflated figures for alleged cases of child sexual abuse.


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    #318
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    WindSock wrote: »
    What the hell are you talking about?

    6 year olds shouldnt be in kindergarten. Or playschool as we call it here.

    As in the McMartin case


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    #319
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    As in the McMartin case

    25 years ago, in a different country, with a different culture, procedures etc. It's now used as an example of how not to do things.


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    #320
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    Nodin wrote: »
    25 years ago, in a different country, with a different culture, procedures etc. It's now used as an example of how not to do things.
    Really, The McMartin case is now used as an example of how not to do things - would you like to elaborate! I do not think Ray Buckey or Michael Hannon would agree with you. 16 million dollars wasted and still Kee McFarlane is considered an expert :eek:


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    #321
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    whats this really all about? has denis irwin said anything yet?

    oh ah paul mcgrath say oh ah paul mcgrath.

    erm back on topic yea drugs are bad! kids are bad!


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    #322
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    whats this really all about? has denis irwin said anything yet?

    oh ah paul mcgrath say oh ah paul mcgrath.

    erm back on topic yea drugs are bad! kids are bad!

    Be quiet.


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    #323
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    Really, The McMartin case is now used as an example of how not to do things - would you like to elaborate!

    Eg.
    http://law.jrank.org/pages/10218/Sexual-Abuse-CHILD-TESTIMONY-IN-DAY-CARE-CENTER-SEXUAL-ABUSE-CASES.html


    As it has relatively little bearing on what goes on here, I suggest you start a thread if you want to discuss it further.

    Earlier you stated
    Social workers are allowed to violate constitutional rights

    I asked 'What constituional rights are they violating? Please be specific in your reply.'

    Also
    and innocent parents may appear on computer registers and be branded "child abuser" for life. .


    I asked if you were referring to a miscarriage of justice.

    and finally
    CPS kidnapped a six-year-old girl from her kindergarten class because she rubbed herself between the legs. The child was forced to strip, pose for photographs and submit to a vaginal exam. The diagnosis: a yeast infection..

    to which I replied 'A child seems to be distressed in a manner that suggests sexual abuse. No one does anything. The child is eventually found dead and a litany of warning signs that were ignored emerges. How now? '


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    #324
    herya
    Registered Users Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭herya


    As it has relatively little bearing on what goes on here, I suggest you start a thread if you want to discuss it further.

    I second that. Humanities is a good forum for this.


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    #325
    Eddie Yu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Eddie Yu


    I am making the point that nothing much has changed in 25 years. The McMartin case was a miscarriage of justice as Orkney and Cleaveland and many others. No lessons have been learned. The system is still out of balance and the Hannon case is now old news.:P


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    #326
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eddie Yu wrote: »
    I am (.....)old news.:P

    Eddie I'm trying to address issues you've brought up with regards this jurisdiction, not a 25 year old American case. There are three questions extant to that above, please try to answer them.


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    #327
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Please take all OT conversation between the two of you to PM from now on.


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    #328
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Considering the last 4-5 pages are OT, it would better to perhaps lock the thread.


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    #329
    NOGMaxpower
    Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭NOGMaxpower


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Hate women much?
    Wanna talk about it?

    How was your relationship with your mother?

    LOL im entitled to my opinion and now where did I give any suggestion i had problems with women.

    its just typical of Irish law its from the stoneage we need to take a leaf out of the Australian system which is far more balanced.


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