[Article] Music-swapping sites to be blocked by internet providers

Orion

It will never be. Copyright infringment is a civil issue - the police will never be involved.

jor el

Mathiasb wrote: »

... YET. This is the first step in the wrong direction. It's not a completely impossible future.

And it is not for this thread, so this discussion ends here.

NullZer0

There is now, already. And in case you want to encrypt your drives: http://www.truecrypt.org/

Works on all major OSes.

Dude, that has nothing to do with bittorrent/P2P etc.

Truecrypt is around ... ageeeeeeessss!




Doest anyone think we will see some smaller ISP's coming?
I'd love to do something like that! ... but then again.. where do get the backbone

NullZer0

Mathiasb wrote: »

There is now, already. And in case you want to encrypt your drives: http://www.truecrypt.org/

Works on all major OSes.

jor el wrote: »

And it is not for this thread, so this discussion ends here.

In the nicest way possible Mathiasb - please do some research.

Mathiasb

Macros42 wrote: »

It will never be. Copyright infringment is a civil issue - the police will never be involved.

Heard of The Pirate Bay? No copyright infringment there - still the police seized their computers, based on nothing. Actually, in one case, the evidence was a screenshot of DirectConnect showing the transfer of one file including an IP address. Granted, this was in Sweden.

I'm just trying to protect my privacy here, and the democracy. The Internet is free and should always be. Once you start filtering the contents - you're actively destroying it and the purpose of it. If you read into this "the purpose of the internet is to fileshare copyrighted material" then oh my god... *sigh*

I'll just end this discussion here.

It should be in everyone's interest to protect his/her privacy by using encryption whenever possible.

Yook

This is ridiculous. The only reason Eircom is going with this is because they have a monopoly, it's purely a business decision.

I've set up a Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=53586632674

watty

TPB assist copyright infringement. They don't host so don't actually infringe copyright. If TPB was Irish hosted it WOULD be taken down.

However blocking IPs or Sites is generally* wrong and a completely pointless gesture. It doesn't work. It's not the solution.

The onus is on the Rights Holder to identify the provider site and get their server taken down. It's not acceptable to block actual IPs (as these can be re-assigned and may be in use by more than one virtual server). Nor is it sensible or feasible to address the issue by blocking a domain (too broad) or a subdomain/Site address (too narrow, easily circumvented).

IRMA can't expect the ISPs to do their job (getting the provider servers taken down) by blocking (perhaps incorrectly) clients of ISP.

The Internet isn't free. There is no right to copy copyrighted material. Suppyling IPs of persons involved in P2P and having 2 warnings, then you are out agreement is one thing, this a totally different thing and unacceptable interference in how the Internet works.

By all means go after the physical sites or logged infracting clients. But this suggestion is stupidity and wrong.
*If it's identified that specially registered site names are used by malware to "phone home" there might be an argument for all ISPs and openDNS removing resolution to those IPs. Actual IPs can be reassigned and should never be blocked. Several virtual servers may be using same IP. In this case the rights holder should contact the hosting provider.

Mathiasb

"TPB assist copyright infringement. They don't host so don't actually infringe copyright."

How do they assist copyright infringement?

Do car dealers assist hit n runs?

towel401

Mathiasb wrote: »

"TPB assist copyright infringement. They don't host so don't actually infringe copyright."

How do they assist copyright infringement?

Do car dealers assist hit n runs?

yea they do. especially in the middle of the recession. if you walked up to one and said 'I need a nice car to do a hit and run with'. they'll supply you with a nice beefy vehicle with the steel pipes at the front, fake plates and tinted windows if you pay them enough. ya don't really think they'll say "no we cant sell you this if you say you're going to use it to do a hit and run". gangsters buy new cars all the time and the guy selling it knows damn well what it's going to be used for.

watty

They host the trackers. They do nothing to prevent their server being used by torrents that are infringing copyright

A quick look at their site shows that the overwhelming amount of trackers they host are for copyrighted content. The clue is also in the name.

click on any category or hit search leaving it empty.

Or type name of any well known film, pop music or program.

I never went there before this post.
In seconds
I found Adobe photoshop, Wall-e, Vista, W2K, anything pretty much off
All the albums I ever heard of for six of my favorite artists off the top of my head.

Anyone that thinks TPB is not almost entirely for assisting copyright infringement is deluded or dishonest.

I can get any legtimate free content much more easily via Google or for FOSS places like Source Forge. It looks pretty hard to find legitimate content on TPB.

Donald-Duck

Mathiasb wrote: »

"TPB assist copyright infringement. They don't host so don't actually infringe copyright."

How do they assist copyright infringement?

Do car dealers assist hit n runs?

Car analogies?

Would you steal a car?

Mathiasb

watty wrote: »

They host the trackers. They do nothing to prevent their server being used by torrents that are infringing copyright

A quick look at their site shows that the overwhelming amount of trackers they host are for copyrighted content. The clue is also in the name.

click on any category or hit search leaving it empty.

Or type name of any well known film, pop music or program.

I never went there before this post.
In seconds
I found Adobe photoshop, Wall-e, Vista, W2K, anything pretty much off
All the albums I ever heard of for six of my favorite artists off the top of my head.

Anyone that thinks TPB is not almost entirely for assisting copyright infringement is deluded or dishonest.

I can get any legtimate free content much more easily via Google or for FOSS places like Source Forge. It looks pretty hard to find legitimate content on TPB.

Irrelevant. TPB doesn't host anything illegal. Some users of TPB upload torrents, which are files that point to people who have parts of some software or song.

So you're saying, because TPB hosts "arrows that points in the direction of content that might not be legal", TPB is in itself illegal?

Donald-Duck

Mathiasb wrote: »

Irrelevant. TPB doesn't host anything illegal. Some users of TPB upload torrents, which are files that point to people who have parts of some software or song.

So you're saying, because TPB hosts "arrows that points in the direction of content that might not be legal", TPB is in itself illegal?

If I make a website, and link to childporn websites, I'm not breaking the law am I?

Mathiasb

Donald-Duck wrote: »

Car analogies?

Would you steal a car?

Steal? Nobody is stealing here. Get the facts: one download DOES NOT EQUAL one lost sale.

Mathiasb

Donald-Duck wrote: »

If I make a website, and link to childporn websites, I'm not breaking the law am I?

TPB does not link to illegal content.

Donald-Duck

Mathiasb wrote: »

Steal? Nobody is stealing here. Get the facts: one download DOES NOT EQUAL one lost sale.

My point was I can use retarded analogies too.

Mathiasb

Donald-Duck wrote: »

My point was I can use retarded analogies too.

You just proved you're an idiot. Kthxbye.

Donald-Duck

Mathiasb wrote: »

You just proved you're an idiot. Kthxbye.

Says the guy who uses car analogies to describe computers and internet activity.

thebman

Donald-Duck wrote: »

Car analogies?

Would you steal a car?

That depends, what kind of car? :pac:

towel401

watty wrote: »

They host the trackers. They do nothing to prevent their server being used by torrents that are infringing copyright

A quick look at their site shows that the overwhelming amount of trackers they host are for copyrighted content. The clue is also in the name.

click on any category or hit search leaving it empty.

Or type name of any well known film, pop music or program.

I never went there before this post.
In seconds
I found Adobe photoshop, Wall-e, Vista, W2K, anything pretty much off
All the albums I ever heard of for six of my favorite artists off the top of my head.

Anyone that thinks TPB is not almost entirely for assisting copyright infringement is deluded or dishonest.

I can get any legtimate free content much more easily via Google or for FOSS places like Source Forge. It looks pretty hard to find legitimate content on TPB.

you forgot about the ****loads of legitimate pr0n on there. only visible if you have an account

66% of broadband users got it for pr0n, rite?

pirated music will be around as long as there is music. and this really won't do much to prevent it - even the ordinary folk who are now using torrent sites and free music sites will just ask someone else to get it for them. i just hope the muppets at eircom will eventually realise this and let it fizzle out. 3 already censor sites (DNS) but thats easy to get past. maybe eircom will use some DNS filtering too to pretend they're doing the right thing while at the same time not making things too hard for the pirates on their network.

what about digiweb? will they be implementing any new anti-filesharing measures?

Donald-Duck

towel401 wrote: »

you forgot about the ****loads of legitimate pr0n on there. only visible if you have an account

66% of broadband users got it for pr0n, rite?

pirated music will be around as long as there is music. and this really won't do much to prevent it - even the ordinary folk who are now using torrent sites and free music sites will just ask someone else to get it for them. i just hope the muppets at eircom will eventually realise this and let it fizzle out. 3 already censor sites (DNS) but thats easy to get past. maybe eircom will use some DNS filtering too to pretend they're doing the right thing while at the same time not making things too hard for the pirates on their network.

what about digiweb? will they be implementing any new anti-filesharing measures?

Most of that porns probably from pay-porn sites :P

exiot

As long as they don't block google I'll be fine

towel401

Donald-Duck wrote: »

Most of that porns probably from pay-porn sites :P

some of it. but not that much. you'd be surprised the amount of that **** is just ordinary folk with webcams uploading their homemade ****ing sessions. and if you block tpb you are reducing the supply. which is propping up the adult entertainment industry (if you follow their logic) and no politician wants to be seen helping those guys out

jor el

Mathiasb wrote: »

Steal? Nobody is stealing here. Get the facts: one download DOES NOT EQUAL one lost sale.

It's an obvious skit on the DVD Anti-piracy ads.

Mathiasb

exiot wrote: »

As long as they don't block google I'll be fine

They will probably block google too, since they are linking to allegedly illegal material.

Isaac702

watty wrote: »

They host the trackers. They do nothing to prevent their server being used by torrents that are infringing copyright

So you are saying they are acting as the infrastructure for distributing the file. Ok then here is a question.
If I burn a DVD with copyrighted content on it and send it to a friend through An Post. Should An Post be shut down just because they act as the distribution method for the trans fare?
Your second statement stands as well as they also do nothing to prevent there system from being used to infringe copyright.

Nody

Donald-Duck wrote: »

Car analogies?

Would you steal a car?

Downloading a music album is not stealing, it is breaking the copyright. Me breaking in and taking the master CD is stealing. Can people get this straight once and for all please. Stealing does not equal downloading something on the internet, two completely different offences.

But since some people here don't mind I hope they all agree to extend the medical sectors right for recipes to 100 years as well (i.e. no cheap copies of any medicines for 100 years) along with all other sectors; after all buying cheap brands after 10 years is clearly stealing from the medicine company. Oh and please don't import stuff from the US or Asia, there is a region lock on stuff for a reason you know so please stop breaking the law on that as well. The company has set a policy and it has to be followed, oh and don't rip your CDs to mp3s either, you've not got the consent to do that, or burn your mp3s to a CD, no consent for that either. Did I forget to mention that you're neither allowed to make back up copies of your CDs, DVDs or VHS tapes according to RIAA in case you might break them down? Yea, I trust these guys to do the right thing here!

Donald-Duck

Nody wrote: »

Downloading a music album is not stealing, it is breaking the copyright. Me breaking in and taking the master CD is stealing. Can people get this straight once and for all please. Stealing does not equal downloading something on the internet, two completely different offences.

But since some people here don't mind I hope they all agree to extend the medical sectors right for recipes to 100 years as well (i.e. no cheap copies of any medicines for 100 years) along with all other sectors; after all buying cheap brands after 10 years is clearly stealing from the medicine company. Oh and please don't import stuff from the US or Asia, there is a region lock on stuff for a reason you know so please stop breaking the law on that as well. The company has set a policy and it has to be followed, oh and don't rip your CDs to mp3s either, you've not got the consent to do that, or burn your mp3s to a CD, no consent for that either.

Man you guys are not the brightest in this section. One of the mods even explained my post for you Hell, even look at the post I quoted that might help give it away

Mathiasb

jor el wrote: »

It's an obvious skit on the DVD Anti-piracy ads.

So you are saying that one downloaded album equals one less album sale for the record company?

Nody

Donald-Duck wrote: »

Man you guys are not the brightest in this section. One of the mods even explained my post for you Hell, even look at the post I quoted that might help give it away

I know the skit, it is flawed but then again so is much coming from RIAA et al (you would not steal a purse would you? You would not steal a car would you? I can't remember the third one). The comment still stands though as it is something I keep on seeing in every damn thread how "people are stealing from the music industry". Your qoute was only the last one in the list and I'm not in the mood to go through 13 pages to find another number of people claiming it is theft.